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How do your coteachers discipline?
« on: June 23, 2016, 03:33:58 pm »
I need to rant, so sorry if it's rambly...

My coteacher for 3rd and 4th grade is kind of an asshole. Okay, so the kid wasn't following along in his book. You don't have to hit him in the face with it. This guy has pushed kids across the room, hit them in the head. Today he aggressively pinched a boy's cheek and shook his face around. He's constantly making them cry. One time, a girl was in our office talking our ear off, just being an annoying child, and he screams at her to get out, pushing her down the hall. Like, she's 11. Relax, bro. Another time, a boy was kicking a door, and he literally gave this kid a spanking. Like, one of those I'm angry spankings, not one of those this is for your own good spankings. I had flashbacks to my childhood. Just ridiculous and unnecessary.

And this guy is so night and day. Sometimes he'll make them stand in the back of the class, other times he'll gently get them back in line using only his words, and then there's days like today where he's making kids scream out in pain. And the worst part is that he walks around the school giving off this subservient, nerdy, "I'm super lame" persona.

I get it, kids need discipline, sometime you have to raise your voice, show a little authority, but when Minsu throws an eraser across the room at Sungmin in an attempt to be goofy, you don't have to hit him.

I get it, different cultures, etc., but today was a reminder that it's time for me to move on.

What's the discipline like at your school?



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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 03:46:34 pm »
Sounds more like abuse...

Most of my students are pretty mild, and the discipline is as well. For elementary school, my coT just says something in Korean then claps her hands to get students' attention if they're getting too rowdy and they quiet down and clap back.

For our new third graders, sometimes she'll call on individual students and make them stand up and answer questions if they're distracted or being chit chatty.

I also know a handful of Korean phrases that are useful for the classroom, which is helpful.

Some kids will need more discipline than others but your coT just sounds nuts.


Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 03:50:07 pm »
I need to rant, so sorry if it's rambly...

My coteacher for 3rd and 4th grade is kind of an asshole. Okay, so the kid wasn't following along in his book. You don't have to hit him in the face with it. This guy has pushed kids across the room, hit them in the head. Today he aggressively pinched a boy's cheek and shook his face around. He's constantly making them cry. One time, a girl was in our office talking our ear off, just being an annoying child, and he screams at her to get out, pushing her down the hall. Like, she's 11. Relax, bro. Another time, a boy was kicking a door, and he literally gave this kid a spanking. Like, one of those I'm angry spankings, not one of those this is for your own good spankings. I had flashbacks to my childhood. Just ridiculous and unnecessary.

And this guy is so night and day. Sometimes he'll make them stand in the back of the class, other times he'll gently get them back in line using only his words, and then there's days like today where he's making kids scream out in pain. And the worst part is that he walks around the school giving off this subservient, nerdy, "I'm super lame" persona.

I get it, kids need discipline, sometime you have to raise your voice, show a little authority, but when Minsu throws an eraser across the room at Sungmin in an attempt to be goofy, you don't have to hit him.

I get it, different cultures, etc., but today was a reminder that it's time for me to move on.

What's the discipline like at your school?


What he's doing is wrong... but because formal discipline has been banned, teachers are forced to come up with their own solutions.

Some teachers are sailing pretty close to the wind of what is allowable.

Korean teachers violence is often overlooked yet foreign teachers aren't even allowed to raise their voice anymore. Its really quite pathetic.
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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 04:20:01 pm »
My coworker (who also worked in Ulsan before coming to China) had a coteacher for middle school who would do the following:

1. Make the naughty student get on their hands and knees while arching their back to form a "bridge."

2. Go to the other end of the classroom.

3. Get a running start and KICK the student directly in the stomach.


Absolutely amazing.



As for me, my coteachers either whacked the kids (with their hands or a ruler), kicked them, or just said "heeeeyyyy stop don't do that" in a monotone while staring blankly into the distance.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2016, 08:03:13 pm »
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Less than 2 months to go.....


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016, 08:53:55 pm »
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Less than 2 months to go.....

This. My CoT have no control over the class what so ever and they don't seem bothered about discipline.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016, 09:27:39 pm »
Korean teachers violence is often overlooked yet foreign teachers aren't even allowed to raise their voice anymore. Its really quite pathetic.
I've raised my voice numerous times, but I never hit. No complaints yet. Although one student claimed he was afraid to come to my class. He was just a lazy kid, and used the same excuse on any teacher that disciplined him. I may send students outside to stand, or hold some weird position for a while though.

If the Korean teacher isn't in the room I'm a dictator, any precieved infraction it's out the door. Usually it's just point at the student, then I open the door to motion the kid out. If the kid won't go, or is mouthy, I really raise my voice, like really loud to get the kid to get out. And like 14/15 it's a boy that is causing trouble. Although once I had 4 grader bite me. That's when I blew a fuse, and dragged the kid into the teacher's office. A few kids followed along to tell the teacher of the incident. Strange thing, a year later he's much better behaved. Somebody somewhere probably upped the disciplining.

Don't know why these moms love coddling their sons. My mom would literally smack me on the head with whatever was in hand if I was being a little punk.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2016, 10:39:32 pm »
Korean teachers violence is often overlooked yet foreign teachers aren't even allowed to raise their voice anymore. Its really quite pathetic.
I've raised my voice numerous times, but I never hit. No complaints yet. Although one student claimed he was afraid to come to my class. He was just a lazy kid, and used the same excuse on any teacher that disciplined him. I may send students outside to stand, or hold some weird position for a while though.

It's different if you work at a hagwon, as I do. Forgive me if you do as well; I'm assuming you're at a public school. If you raise your voice at all in a hagwon, the complaints come flying in. And worse, no-one will be on your side: not the Korean teacher with whom you share the class, not the support staff, and certainly not the director. It doesn't matter how good of a teacher you are or how passionate you are about teaching English, if the class isn't "fun! fun! fun!" you're not doing what the parents and hagwon want, which is to be a clown to entertain the kids. And because there's a lack of support from the academy, that only encourages more complaints. It reminds of the kids story, If you give a mouse a cookie. I've had complaints that I'm "scary" as well. I always wonder if it's a genuine feeling or just an excuse. It probably depends on the student and parents. Too many South Koreans do in fact fear (or mock) anything not "Korean."

We can't send disruptive kids out of the classroom, which means, if the student wants to, he can ruin your whole lesson and there's nothing you can do about it. Some hagwons have a detention period after the regular classes are finished, but it's typically only used to do work for the Korean teacher's class. One academy I was at would just let the kids go home if they only had detention from the NET.

What's worse about this is you, as a teacher, can't emphasize when a student needs to buckle down. If I get on a kid for being lazy, if I'm stern with him or her, it's "not fun," so the complaints come in. Kids end up turning in shit work and again, there's nothing you can do about it.

The hypocrisy of course is the worst part. My Korean co-workers hit, scream at, and really make the kids feel like crap sometimes. I had a boy a few months ago who was such a great kid, but he was one of those "lazy good" kids, if you know what I mean. He'd always pay attention, work hard in class, and participate, but never do his homework or study. One day, the Korean teacher pulls him out of my class (imagine if the NET tried to this during the Korean teacher's class) for not doing his homework and proceeded to shout and scream at him in the hallway for ten minutes. I actually had to stop class it was so loud and the students in my class really felt so bad for the boy. When he came back in, he cried for the remaining 30 minutes or so and after that day, I never saw him again. I wonder if the Korean teacher was harassed by the director for being "scary." I hear a lot of the crap Korean teachers do in public schools and the fact that a NET can't even raise his or her voice is absurd.

Just to add as an afterthought:
I know Kliuchevskoi is a proponent of corporal punishment. I'm sure he means well, but I'd like to add my voice to those who disapprove of this method of punishment. I think a teacher, when allowed to actually do so, can discipline students without using violence.
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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2016, 10:50:06 pm »
As my girlfriend always tells me, make them think that you really care about them. Then, when they misbehave, let them have it. They will listen to you. It's like the Korean story about feeding a horse a carrot before beating them.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 11:07:51 pm »
My co just says "son mori" every now and then.  I guess I do the same.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 12:54:14 am »
My co just says "son mori" every now and then.  I guess I do the same.

I have used "son mori" before. It is effective. However, I got chewed out when I didn't tell them to take their hands off their heads for the entire class. I honestly forgot and was just plowing through the lesson I prepared.


Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 07:54:21 am »
I need to rant, so sorry if it's rambly...

My coteacher for 3rd and 4th grade is kind of an asshole. Okay, so the kid wasn't following along in his book. You don't have to hit him in the face with it. This guy has pushed kids across the room, hit them in the head. Today he aggressively pinched a boy's cheek and shook his face around. He's constantly making them cry. One time, a girl was in our office talking our ear off, just being an annoying child, and he screams at her to get out, pushing her down the hall. Like, she's 11. Relax, bro. Another time, a boy was kicking a door, and he literally gave this kid a spanking. Like, one of those I'm angry spankings, not one of those this is for your own good spankings. I had flashbacks to my childhood. Just ridiculous and unnecessary.

And this guy is so night and day. Sometimes he'll make them stand in the back of the class, other times he'll gently get them back in line using only his words, and then there's days like today where he's making kids scream out in pain. And the worst part is that he walks around the school giving off this subservient, nerdy, "I'm super lame" persona.

I get it, kids need discipline, sometime you have to raise your voice, show a little authority, but when Minsu throws an eraser across the room at Sungmin in an attempt to be goofy, you don't have to hit him.

I get it, different cultures, etc., but today was a reminder that it's time for me to move on.

What's the discipline like at your school?

I'm at a boys middle school and honestly, it really depends on the Korean teachers. When I first got to this school, it was nuts. The kids were fighting, non-stop discussing porn in-front of female teachers (taking it too far), walking around during class, ect.... The Korean teachers did nothing. Next year, a new batch of Korean teachers all with many years of experience. The kids walk the straight and narrow after that. Beatings were served up pleasantly, to include the vice principle who would whack the students on the soles of their feet if they got out of line. It became like a dictator ship, and was actually really nice for me. Classes went smooth. Now those teachers are rotating out, and the discipline is lacking somewhat. Fingers crossed for experienced teachers again. Do some teachers take it too far? I guess so, from a western perspective but, the students have taken it too far as well. I myself only dish out a "beating" (in the broadest sense of the term)  if that's what you want to call it vary rarely. So my Co's know, if Wonamin is "smacking" a kid around, the kid most defiantly deserved it.


Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 08:08:41 am »
My co-teacher uses intimidation rather than actual force. He will first try and get the kids in line by yelling really loudly at them. This usually works. But occasionally the kids get really rowdy and yelling doesn't do the trick. When this happen he brings out 'The Intimidator'. It's this wooden paddle he made out of some old plywood. He carved out a handle and drilled holes into the body so the air doesn't slow it down when he strikes. I haven't personally seen him actually use it yet as the kids quickly shut up and listen when he brings it out of it's case. You should tell your co-teacher to try this instead of hitting poor defenseless children.
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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 09:35:05 am »
I need to rant, so sorry if it's rambly...

My coteacher for 3rd and 4th grade is kind of an asshole. Okay, so the kid wasn't following along in his book. You don't have to hit him in the face with it. This guy has pushed kids across the room, hit them in the head. Today he aggressively pinched a boy's cheek and shook his face around. He's constantly making them cry. One time, a girl was in our office talking our ear off, just being an annoying child, and he screams at her to get out, pushing her down the hall. Like, she's 11. Relax, bro. Another time, a boy was kicking a door, and he literally gave this kid a spanking. Like, one of those I'm angry spankings, not one of those this is for your own good spankings. I had flashbacks to my childhood. Just ridiculous and unnecessary.

And this guy is so night and day. Sometimes he'll make them stand in the back of the class, other times he'll gently get them back in line using only his words, and then there's days like today where he's making kids scream out in pain. And the worst part is that he walks around the school giving off this subservient, nerdy, "I'm super lame" persona.

I get it, kids need discipline, sometime you have to raise your voice, show a little authority, but when Minsu throws an eraser across the room at Sungmin in an attempt to be goofy, you don't have to hit him.

I get it, different cultures, etc., but today was a reminder that it's time for me to move on.

What's the discipline like at your school?

OP, your co-teacher is not disciplining. Disciplining is done with the intent to correct student behavior. He is just being a bully.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 10:51:00 am »
I need to rant, so sorry if it's rambly...

My coteacher for 3rd and 4th grade is kind of an asshole. Okay, so the kid wasn't following along in his book. You don't have to hit him in the face with it. This guy has pushed kids across the room, hit them in the head. Today he aggressively pinched a boy's cheek and shook his face around. He's constantly making them cry. One time, a girl was in our office talking our ear off, just being an annoying child, and he screams at her to get out, pushing her down the hall. Like, she's 11. Relax, bro. Another time, a boy was kicking a door, and he literally gave this kid a spanking. Like, one of those I'm angry spankings, not one of those this is for your own good spankings. I had flashbacks to my childhood. Just ridiculous and unnecessary.

And this guy is so night and day. Sometimes he'll make them stand in the back of the class, other times he'll gently get them back in line using only his words, and then there's days like today where he's making kids scream out in pain. And the worst part is that he walks around the school giving off this subservient, nerdy, "I'm super lame" persona.

I get it, kids need discipline, sometime you have to raise your voice, show a little authority, but when Minsu throws an eraser across the room at Sungmin in an attempt to be goofy, you don't have to hit him.

I get it, different cultures, etc., but today was a reminder that it's time for me to move on.

What's the discipline like at your school?

I'm at a boys middle school and honestly, it really depends on the Korean teachers. When I first got to this school, it was nuts. The kids were fighting, non-stop discussing porn in-front of female teachers (taking it too far), walking around during class, ect.... The Korean teachers did nothing. Next year, a new batch of Korean teachers all with many years of experience. The kids walk the straight and narrow after that. Beatings were served up pleasantly, to include the vice principle who would whack the students on the soles of their feet if they got out of line. It became like a dictator ship, and was actually really nice for me. Classes went smooth. Now those teachers are rotating out, and the discipline is lacking somewhat. Fingers crossed for experienced teachers again. Do some teachers take it too far? I guess so, from a western perspective but, the students have taken it too far as well. I myself only dish out a "beating" (in the broadest sense of the term)  if that's what you want to call it vary rarely. So my Co's know, if Wonamin is "smacking" a kid around, the kid most defiantly deserved it.
Man, I wish some of your teachers would come to my boys middle school. All of the bad stuff that you mentioned happens to me, and there's nothing me or the other teachers can do. Everyone at this school has given up and the boys are suffering for it, especially my good students who actually try to learn. It's like an 80/20 split with good and bad kids.

Funny thing is, I did teach at a girl's middle school for a while, and the girls were put in line much quicker and almost never disbehaved. In my small town, boys have free reign to act and say whatever they damn well please, while girls have to keep their mouths shut and stay in line. The sexism is absolutely mind boggling and it really just makes me hate where I live in all honesty. I am not here to be the morality police, but things are pretty black and white here. Oh well. Not my country.


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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2016, 02:30:32 pm »
My rural elementary 1st and 2nd graders are in a day care class that I have to teach every single day, 1 hour twice a week and 2 hours 3 times a week.  Total 8 classes a week.  It's  a living nightmare and one day can be success while the next lesson bombs so hard.  Once the day care teacher steps out the room I'm at the mercy of nearly 20 insane little demons.    After 5 years in elementary I realize that there's just little to no way to control the situation oftentimes.  Just gotta come up with some kind of coping mechanism and way to keep the peace, maybe at the expense of learning.  The only thing keeping me sane is the fact that summer vacation is nearly here.  And the latter half of the year should be easier.

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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2016, 03:40:04 pm »
My last co-teacher would yell at them first.  Then she'd take away recess for the whole class, even though it was the same 5 or 6 individuals causing the problem.  But the thing about taking away their recess was, they simply couldn't play outside or in the gym, they had to stay in the classroom but could do whatever they wanted.  Though I guess it was a bit of punishment because the 5 or 6 trouble makers were also the ones who would want to play outside or in the gym. 


Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2016, 02:07:32 am »
It's different if you work at a hagwon, as I do. Forgive me if you do as well; I'm assuming you're at a public school. If you raise your voice at all in a hagwon, the complaints come flying in. And worse, no-one will be on your side: not the Korean teacher with whom you share the class, not the support staff, and certainly not the director.

Sometimes you will get a tough director who is able to intimidate the kids easily. Usually its a woman. Also at hogwons you will fairly often get at least one helpful staff member who is good at discipline. I've yelled my way through several gwons without complaint. Ok only one time did a boss complain but that was due to a personal dislike of me (he allowed other teachers to yell).

But usually hogwons you at least have a chance. And being able to control classes makes the longer hours worth it.

By comparison

- A/S gigs.. you have NO chance. None. The short hours are not worth the nightmare.

- In public schools discipline is not your responsibility.

- Summer camps are OK because they end before the kids realize that your bark has no bite.

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Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2016, 08:57:51 am »
My co-teacher sits in the back and plays on her phone, maybe reads a book.

Does that count as discipline?



Re: How do your coteachers discipline?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2016, 11:47:44 am »
I need to rant, so sorry if it's rambly...

My coteacher for 3rd and 4th grade is kind of an asshole. Okay, so the kid wasn't following along in his book. You don't have to hit him in the face with it. This guy has pushed kids across the room, hit them in the head. Today he aggressively pinched a boy's cheek and shook his face around. He's constantly making them cry. One time, a girl was in our office talking our ear off, just being an annoying child, and he screams at her to get out, pushing her down the hall. Like, she's 11. Relax, bro. Another time, a boy was kicking a door, and he literally gave this kid a spanking. Like, one of those I'm angry spankings, not one of those this is for your own good spankings. I had flashbacks to my childhood. Just ridiculous and unnecessary.

And this guy is so night and day. Sometimes he'll make them stand in the back of the class, other times he'll gently get them back in line using only his words, and then there's days like today where he's making kids scream out in pain. And the worst part is that he walks around the school giving off this subservient, nerdy, "I'm super lame" persona.

I get it, kids need discipline, sometime you have to raise your voice, show a little authority, but when Minsu throws an eraser across the room at Sungmin in an attempt to be goofy, you don't have to hit him.

I get it, different cultures, etc., but today was a reminder that it's time for me to move on.

What's the discipline like at your school?

I'm at a boys middle school and honestly, it really depends on the Korean teachers. When I first got to this school, it was nuts. The kids were fighting, non-stop discussing porn in-front of female teachers (taking it too far), walking around during class, ect.... The Korean teachers did nothing. Next year, a new batch of Korean teachers all with many years of experience. The kids walk the straight and narrow after that. Beatings were served up pleasantly, to include the vice principle who would whack the students on the soles of their feet if they got out of line. It became like a dictator ship, and was actually really nice for me. Classes went smooth. Now those teachers are rotating out, and the discipline is lacking somewhat. Fingers crossed for experienced teachers again. Do some teachers take it too far? I guess so, from a western perspective but, the students have taken it too far as well. I myself only dish out a "beating" (in the broadest sense of the term)  if that's what you want to call it vary rarely. So my Co's know, if Wonamin is "smacking" a kid around, the kid most defiantly deserved it.
Man, I wish some of your teachers would come to my boys middle school. All of the bad stuff that you mentioned happens to me, and there's nothing me or the other teachers can do. Everyone at this school has given up and the boys are suffering for it, especially my good students who actually try to learn. It's like an 80/20 split with good and bad kids.

Funny thing is, I did teach at a girl's middle school for a while, and the girls were put in line much quicker and almost never disbehaved. In my small town, boys have free reign to act and say whatever they damn well please, while girls have to keep their mouths shut and stay in line. The sexism is absolutely mind boggling and it really just makes me hate where I live in all honesty. I am not here to be the morality police, but things are pretty black and white here. Oh well. Not my country.

Yea, sometimes you got to take the bull by the horns. I am the last one to use "physical" punishment, but it is the system here. Never do I punch, slap, hit with a stick, ect, that my co-teachers use. I normally give them the death stare, if that's not enough it's normally a ear yanking. It normally does the trick. If it doesn't, I squeeze the skin between the thumb and pointer finger. There is a pressure point there. 1 min of that, the kid walks the narrow. Starts acting up again, I just motion to "the squeeze", and that's enough. It's a shame really that some teachers just don't care, or are not qualified enough to handle the situation.