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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #340 on: June 08, 2022, 11:19:01 am »
the reasons why more people are single is hard to pin down since as you mentioned there are a ton of em. k-dramas/pornography definitely help people cope, but as to why they're single in the first place,  i think a lot of it has to do with a societal shift away from religion towards individualism (in the west at least)

that isnt to say that people have to be religious to fall in love and whatnot of course, but the traditional places you'd meet a partner are all disappearing. from what i understand most people met their partner at church, work, or school. less people going to church, #metoo has the opposite genders tip-toeing around each other in the workplace, and i don't believe the current state of our higher education requires any comment, lol.

that isn't to say that all those changes are inherently bad, but as a society we haven't found anything to replace them yet, aside from tinder... and k-dramas and pornography ofc

True, it's just one of the many, many reasons and as to what is more influential depends on the individual. You can definitely make a strong argument with your point.

Off the top of my head, in the west I'd say some of the factors include:

- Hedonism
- Lack of emotional maturity which includes the inability to think past yourself
- Lack of value system (strong Religious, cultural or lifestyle identity)
- Long-term interaction with modern liberal Western dating culture causes psychological issues
- Idolising celebrities as relationship models

While we don't need to travel back to Anatevka, watch the beginning of 'Fiddler on the Roof' again. From childhood, kids are raised to understand exactly what their role as a husband/wife is and what to expect from a spouse, there's no confusion. Without a strong family value system, taught from childhood, kids will grow up left to their own devices and learning from unfiltered BS on TV and social media as to what relationships are supposed to be about.





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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #341 on: June 08, 2022, 03:07:35 pm »
the way you speak about women is gross. you only speak of attractiveness, and rank women based on their looks.  its disgusting. very incel vibes. women are humans, you sounds like a neanderthal.   just keep your rage contained please.  try not to drug or shoot up a nightclub, or drive your orlando through the local fish market in Jeollabuk-do.
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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #342 on: June 09, 2022, 12:32:19 pm »
Back on topic

HUUUGE news in China (or at least in the foreign  scene). PU letters are no longer needed to secure a work visa, meaning the visa application process is now back to what it was pre-covid.

Speculation on this is that flight availability will increase in the next few months...and dare I say it, quarantine will be reduced (though this one is still wishful thinking on my part).

Why is this happening now? My educated guess from the ground is the economy is on the verge of tanking after the Shanghai lockdown, and China's most crucial foreign support in terms of business/manufacturing - Koreans, are leaving in droves either back home or to South East Asia (due to the unstable nature of lockdowns on a whim etc). When one major Korean company leaves, it takes hundreds of smaller businesses with it and hundreds/thousands of Korean families, who support the wealthier communities they live in financially (schools, restaurants, shopping malls etc). My guess is China isn't quite ready to lose this base yet as local jobs depend on them.


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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #343 on: June 09, 2022, 12:38:45 pm »
Back on topic

HUUUGE news in China (or at least in the foreign  scene). PU letters are no longer needed to secure a work visa, meaning the visa application process is now back to what it was pre-covid.

Speculation on this is that flight availability will increase in the next few months...and dare I say it, quarantine will be reduced (though this one is still wishful thinking on my part).

Why is this happening now? My educated guess from the ground is the economy is on the verge of tanking after the Shanghai lockdown, and China's most crucial foreign support in terms of business/manufacturing - Koreans, are leaving in droves either back home or to South East Asia (due to the unstable nature of lockdowns on a whim etc). When one major Korean company leaves, it takes hundreds of smaller businesses with it and hundreds/thousands of Korean families, who support the wealthier communities they live in financially (schools, restaurants, shopping malls etc). My guess is China isn't quite ready to lose this base yet as local jobs depend on them.

That's good news.  I guess it will still be awhile before getting back to normal.  A lot of job ads do say you must be in China.  So this will be good to see.  I assume it will still take some time to get everything set up.  I mean for some officials to be aware of rule changes.  But man those salaries....  Let's see if they stay that high.  Even if they come down, they will still be higher than here unless Korea starts hiking their pay the next year or so.  I do see many young people on social media complaining about low wages here as of late.
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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #344 on: June 09, 2022, 01:08:58 pm »
Not everyone starts on an E2 visa. I never had one.
But it doesn't matter even if someone is on E2 for 10 years and then switches to an F.
Count the 2 years from that point and it takes 2 years.

Korean Americans get an F Visa on arrival unless you married a K chick back home and came over here.  But that is not the overwhelming majority of teachers.  Either way with the cost of housing in Seoul and other living expenses, the F visa is not what it was.  If you have kids right away, that just ads to it after marriage.  Salaries even on F is not what it was.  Privates do still exist but are fewer than before.  It is not the same at all.  A few Fs their wives have good jobs or they made good money either in teaching or real estate agent sales, government job, company job, etc.  Some others work day and night just to make their money.  One guy did this 10 years ago and made his 5 million (not in Seoul) but he said he really had to hustle to get it and his wife did not have a good job.  Today, that pay would be a bit lower and the living cost is much higher. 
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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #345 on: June 09, 2022, 01:31:22 pm »
I'm not an incel. Ipayincash and i'm a walking axe commercial.


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Re: Teaching EFL in China: Pros and Cons
« Reply #346 on: June 09, 2022, 01:49:14 pm »
Not only E2 visa holders marry locals.

Again, don't try to convince actual F visa holders that they are counting pennies at the end of each month. You have half made-up stories at best, by others and no firsthand experience of what is it like to support a family and raise kids. Please don't tell me how I live based on your beliefs.

Also, the pay is NOT lower compared to 10 years ago.

Do you think Korean families find it easy to make ends meet, buy a house and raise kids? Do you think anywhere in the World it would be easy to raise a family and get started in life? Don't come with ''it was different in the past''. Don't live in the past! It's no use to constantly grief over how it used to be.

Not trying to convince anyone, just telling you what F visa folks told me.  Those who did get in when the getting was good before the fall are still doing well, but they got here years ago.  I certainly in that context do know a few Fs who are doing well.  That's what they said to me.
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