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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #600 on: October 20, 2015, 01:40:38 pm »
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I am back in my bad travel school after being away for three weeks, and as expected, it is Hell. For the first class back I just wanted to play a game with them. The game is a simple boggle game. I show a grid of nine letters (3x3), each team tries to get as many words as possible in three minutes, then they have to eliminate the words they have in common. It sounds so easy, but implementing was torture. Getting them to do each step was like trying to steer a boat in churning waters, because they were so loud and not understanding the concept, even when my co-teacher explained it, and then they are all talking at once, every word is disputed, even ones that do not exist (like ‘ral’ and ‘lge’) and they just keep talking and talking. At first, after they had finished getting words in three minutes, I had one person from each team stand, and one would read a word, and I wanted it so that if they both had the word, they crossed it out, but of course the people sitting kept talking, the person would just read through the list, there would be discussions within each group (loud ones) and it was so f*ck*ng chaotic. I just wanted to play a game, for f*ck’s sake. And the co-teacher (Mr. Kim) was here, and was helping: he would try to direct the whole reading out loud process, but it was too much, and then I decided to just collect the papers and figure out which words were valid on my own each time, and though it made things run smoother it also made the game more boring. Argh, I hate this travel school.


middle school? it sounds like you tried to do an activity that was a bit too complicated for them. I've found keeping things simple is usually better, and can help with classroom management.

There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.
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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #601 on: October 20, 2015, 02:28:54 pm »
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #602 on: October 20, 2015, 02:41:55 pm »
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.
came here to say this. i've done it many a time with adults, and it's always proved a little tricky.. even when demonstrating!


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #603 on: October 20, 2015, 04:18:58 pm »
For the past few years I have arranged my schools Halloween activity. Through trial and error I have figured out what works and what doesn't. The activities always go smoothly and the kids seem to enjoy themselves. This year, the boss wants to do one of the activities outside. (I think she is looking for an opportunity to get some free advertising.)
Personally I think it is an incredibly bad idea to take the students out to the small paved plaza area in front of the school. The area is a popular drinking area for ajjoshis and atleast for the later part of the day, it will be dark.  Even though I know she will not be disuaded, I mention my concerns. As expected she shrugs them off.  No problem. I take some time and come up with a few suggestions for activites. They next time I see her she tells me she has taken care of the activites. She then presents me with her activites. She bought one of those alligator things that bite down when you press the wrong tooth and the old pirate in a barrel thing that pops out if you put the sword in the wrong slot. That's it. There will be 20-30 kids at a time doing these "activities". This will be a disaster.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #604 on: October 20, 2015, 09:30:45 pm »
For the past few years I have arranged my schools Halloween activity. Through trial and error I have figured out what works and what doesn't. The activities always go smoothly and the kids seem to enjoy themselves. This year, the boss wants to do one of the activities outside. (I think she is looking for an opportunity to get some free advertising.)
Personally I think it is an incredibly bad idea to take the students out to the small paved plaza area in front of the school. The area is a popular drinking area for ajjoshis and atleast for the later part of the day, it will be dark.  Even though I know she will not be disuaded, I mention my concerns. As expected she shrugs them off.  No problem. I take some time and come up with a few suggestions for activites. They next time I see her she tells me she has taken care of the activites. She then presents me with her activites. She bought one of those alligator things that bite down when you press the wrong tooth and the old pirate in a barrel thing that pops out if you put the sword in the wrong slot. That's it. There will be 20-30 kids at a time doing these "activities". This will be a disaster.
I tried to do Halloween activities today but technology wasn't on my side and they were disappointed that I didn't so anything scary...

When is this meant to happen? Make a pin the nose on the jack-o-lantern game or something like that. Costume contest? Bobbing for apples(or something else)? If you have time there are tons of activities you could do :)


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #605 on: October 21, 2015, 07:53:18 am »
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.
came here to say this. i've done it many a time with adults, and it's always proved a little tricky.. even when demonstrating!

Seriously, it's such a nightmare.  Once they get it, it's a great format to re-use since it gets everyone speaking (partners) with no pressure (no spotlight on you), but I'll be damned if I don't pull my hair out every time.  I did my PPT for it in a rush on Monday, but I'm going to polish it up for the rest of my classes next week.  I'll post it on here so others can modify it for their own lessons and throw the slides into their PPTs with altered target language :wink:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #606 on: October 21, 2015, 08:00:07 am »
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.

Korea just lacks problem solving capabilities in general... and it obviously all stems from their early education; as there is absolutely no critical thinking or problem solving required.

The fact that even adults, with very good visual aids, prompts etc... regardless of language, cant understand how to play simple games is mind blowing to me.

Korean's CAN"T think for themselves. They aren't taught to, and society doesn't allow for it.

It's frustrating.

I am super confident, that I could take any age group of westerners, and they would understand the concept of yunnori (Which is more complicated that battleship) speak to them in Korean, but have the same amount of visual aid etc.. and they would get it in about 20 min or less.



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Spent all afternoon yesterday creating a scavenger hunt type game, with six different routes for six different groups... CT and I were suppose to do it together, obviously during her free time she did prep or plan anything... so when I didn't have class, I pretty much walked out, and planned everything, and created the materials....

Come in today... I think we should cancel because of micro dust...

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What you put into Korea, is what you will get out of Korea; it will not spoon feed you.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #607 on: October 21, 2015, 09:20:18 am »
so lots of talk about battleships.

i've uploaded here this excellent ppt i got from here on how to play it. i didn't make it, but it's really good, and my students understood pretty well how to play it after doing this with them. especially after a brief demonstration with my coteacher.

it uses a lot of overlapping triggers so run it in full-screen mode.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #608 on: October 21, 2015, 09:56:24 am »
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #609 on: October 21, 2015, 10:02:25 am »
When I first came to Korea I hated the eating culture. 
Not only do you want me to share my food, but I have cook it myself too!?!?  GTFO.
I'm still not 100% on board with this, but i've come to accept, and even appreciate it from time to time.
So, here's my gripe---I dont know if this is just me or not, but...whenever I go out to eat with Koreans, they won't let me cook.
  Generally, I wouldn't mind...but if you're going to cook, then you should be a decent-to-good cook.
I don't want the youngest, the most korean, or the girl to cook if they suck at it. 
If we're eating beef, or some good jeju pork, or hell, really just anything--it shouldn't be charred.
I had some grilled beef the other day with a few Koreans and they would not let me cook despite my many hints and protests that i wanted to.
I held my tongue, but I wanted to tell them that I am not offering to cook out of politeness--I want to cook because you are just doing a shite job right now and I could do MUCH better.
It was killing me to watch this good beef turn black and crispy because they had to stop and  give a bro a quick thigh or shoulder rub.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #610 on: October 21, 2015, 11:44:46 am »
Came into school to find my English room computer has a virus and wont be fixed until Tuesday. I do most of my preparing in the morning before my classes. I switch schools after lunch and don't have a lot of extra time. Weekend will be busy too. Fml...


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #611 on: October 21, 2015, 12:33:58 pm »
Co-teacher is on honeymoon, not an issue for most of the week since I only have 4 classes with her but no one tells me what the plan is for those lessons until 2 minutes before the first lesson starts.
"The homeroom teacher will be in the classroom". I assume the homeroom teacher will be in the classroom doing nothing but, okay. The kids, presumably, won't act up with the homeroom teacher there.

Homeroom teacher stands outside of the classroom the full 40 minutes.


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #612 on: October 21, 2015, 12:57:55 pm »
I feel the need to do a short rant after my blood has been boiling for awhile now.
During one of those listen and repeats from the textbook there was a black child and when the black child came into the scene two boys in the class immediately started mumbling "Oh Scary! Black! Scary! (chuckling among themselves)" This triggered me... I asked them if something was scary in the dialogue, they shut their mouths, dead silence in the classroom and one boy in the back rats them out and says "You said the black guy was scary didn't you (잖아~)."

This made me sooooo angry because the students obviously knew the wrong they were doing, they had an African American native teacher before, I asked them if that person was scary and they said "no." The moment I identified that they knew they were saying something wrong (and racist) when they had experienced for themselves an African American teacher, just made my blood boil so badly and I also felt so sad that these were my students who should've known better... not my students from my old school who had never seen a black person in their life... these students had a black teacher for a whole year... Just feel so upset...


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #613 on: October 21, 2015, 01:43:03 pm »
There are a few games like this that can take a class period to get the kids familiar with game play.  Battleship is one of them.  If they get the concept, you can whip it out for future lessons and modify activities for it so easily.  It gets them speaking and they really like the competition/secrecy. 

But explaining how to mark your own guesses to map your partner's waters and getting them to understand how to mark their partner's guesses so they can properly respond can be a nightmare the first time around.  One of those games that so easy to demonstrate, yet way more complicated than it should be to articulate.  Animating a PPT is best so all can see, but tedious in and of itself.

It was difficult to teach adults how to do this. I tried to do it using the expressions that we were using in class, and that just went too far over their heads. The next class I just brought the simple, normal battleship game and had them play. Finally they figured it out. I've used it a couple times since then. Before they figured it out though, that was one of my more frustrating experiences.

Korea just lacks problem solving capabilities in general... and it obviously all stems from their early education; as there is absolutely no critical thinking or problem solving required.

The fact that even adults, with very good visual aids, prompts etc... regardless of language, cant understand how to play simple games is mind blowing to me.

Korean's CAN"T think for themselves. They aren't taught to, and society doesn't allow for it.

It's frustrating.

I am super confident, that I could take any age group of westerners, and they would understand the concept of yunnori (Which is more complicated that battleship) speak to them in Korean, but have the same amount of visual aid etc.. and they would get it in about 20 min or less.



2:


Spent all afternoon yesterday creating a scavenger hunt type game, with six different routes for six different groups... CT and I were suppose to do it together, obviously during her free time she did prep or plan anything... so when I didn't have class, I pretty much walked out, and planned everything, and created the materials....

Come in today... I think we should cancel because of micro dust...

 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

battleships is just generally a difficult thing to explain. i've done it with (mixed nationality) adults classes in australia and it's always a pain. even the upper-intermediate classes struggled!

also, all the kids at my school were legging it around all day outside. hmm.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #614 on: October 21, 2015, 07:48:29 pm »
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:
I asked my students how the weather was today and they said "foggy!" I said nope, thats smog.
I've been wearing a mask all day. The air index in my city is 155 (not healthy.) That's twice as worse as Taipei and Shanghai.
I'm surprised more Korean's aren't wearing masks.
 


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Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #615 on: October 21, 2015, 08:49:47 pm »
Mods, why did I just receive a 25% warning for this?

The elf is the troll, not me.

You guys really are becoming a joke.

Careful what you wish for. We asked for you. Rule with a fair hand.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #616 on: October 21, 2015, 09:20:50 pm »
Mods, why did I just receive a 25% warning for this?

The elf is the troll, not me.

You guys really are becoming a joke.

Careful what you wish for. We asked for you. Rule with a fair hand.

you too huh? lol.


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #617 on: October 21, 2015, 09:44:42 pm »
The air is so disgusting atm, feel like im gonna cough up my lungs at any given moment. An asthmatic does not belong in this air

*dying*  :blank:
I asked my students how the weather was today and they said "foggy!" I said nope, thats smog.
I've been wearing a mask all day. The air index in my city is 155 (not healthy.) That's twice as worse as Taipei and Shanghai.
I'm surprised more Korean's aren't wearing masks.
What kind of mask do you have?


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #618 on: October 21, 2015, 10:17:06 pm »
My friend gave me some from the hospital. Nothing special just a normal mask. It does help though.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2015, 10:18:46 pm by Kcrules »


Re: RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD
« Reply #619 on: October 22, 2015, 07:28:28 am »
Mods, why did I just receive a 25% warning for this?

The elf is the troll, not me.

You guys really are becoming a joke.

Careful what you wish for. We asked for you. Rule with a fair hand.

Cough *sock* cough, I've reported several times to no avail