RANTING/VENTING MEGATHREAD

/u/englishrose's thread on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.

Exactly.  I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, and I it pisses me off when someone silences me or others after getting in a snarky last word of their own.  There wasn't even a warning on the thread to stay on-topic, and someone got dinked for swearing even though the word was blocked out???  Ridiculous. 

Yes, there was a slight deviation where a few sarcastic comments were made in succession, but we were all having a laugh; no one was being harassed, and the discussion would have picked up as there were still unanswered questions/topics that had been posed.

a thread i made about locking threads on here was even locked. how's that for irony.

http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=88065.0

the mods on here are supremely lock-happy. as i've pointed out before, it's the lazy way out, because it means they don't have to do any actual moderating. i thought all the new mods were supposed to solve problems like that. guess not.

a thread i made about locking threads on here was even locked. how's that for irony.

http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=88065.0

the mods on here are supremely lock-happy. as i've pointed out before, it's the lazy way out, because it means they don't have to do any actual moderating. i thought all the new mods were supposed to solve problems like that. guess not.

/r/waygook, the land of WGAF and free speech! I'm too lazy to admin though. Who's gonna start it? hahahaha

there's already an /r/korea. but it's filled with Defenders of the Han. anything negative about Korea at all gets instantly downvoted. doesn't matter how mild the thing you say is. for example, if someone says "do a semester abroad in Korea" and someone else says "have you considered Taiwan or Japan as well?" the latter comment will get downvoted into oblivion. that's really how bad it is.

I don't understand why some students, when bored, will opt to just stare at a blank wall rather than listen to the lesson. Is this some kind of passive aggressive thing?

Also don't get why so many Koreans stand in/on the road, especially at crosswalks and when waiting for a bus, or trying to hail a taxi. Cars are dangerous! They can kill you! I've seen grown men standing, inexplicably, as far as 1 meter from the curb, without a care in the world. If you were walking in the African Savanna, and you saw a herd of wildebeests running past, you sure as shit wouldn't stand in their way -- well cars heavier and faster than f**king wildebeests, so why the f**k would you stand in their path?!?

/u/englishrose's thread on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.

Exactly.  I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, and I it pisses me off when someone silences me or others after getting in a snarky last word of their own.  There wasn't even a warning on the thread to stay on-topic, and someone got dinked for swearing even though the word was blocked out???  Ridiculous. 

Yes, there was a slight deviation where a few sarcastic comments were made in succession, but we were all having a laugh; no one was being harassed, and the discussion would have picked up as there were still unanswered questions/topics that had been posed.

lol. I just noticed my comment stating that someone shouldn't get a warning for a *ed (Starred) out word (and how our new mods could maybe do with a little more training on understanding this previously declared Waygook policy) was deleted. FFS. That is rude and childlike. If there is one thing I've learnt by moderating other pages, it is that you don't rule by clandestine behaviour. If someone gives you fair criticism, you take it on board. You don't worry about perceptions and operate covertly.

/u/englishrose's thread on language used on this site being locked is bullsh*t.  Even though we were no longer talking about the specific racial slur in question, the thread was intended to be an overall discussion on what is or isn't considered offensive and where lines are drawn in society.  It was an interesting conversation and I'm annoyed that the mods felt the need to stamp out a dialogue that wasn't creating any issues.

It's ironic that the mod who closed it down quoted the TOS as a reason, yet "material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing[1], obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or adult material" can all be completely subjective, which is precisely what we were discussing...

Instead of locking threads, why don't we penalize users for being dimwits.

"Oh, those 2 users in that thread are being offensive/off topic/dimwits/etc. Better lock a thread that hundreds of users are enjoying and discussing and contributing to!"

Just rap the instigators on the knuckles and let the rest of us debate on in peace.

Exactly.  I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, and I it pisses me off when someone silences me or others after getting in a snarky last word of their own.  There wasn't even a warning on the thread to stay on-topic, and someone got dinked for swearing even though the word was blocked out???  Ridiculous. 

Yes, there was a slight deviation where a few sarcastic comments were made in succession, but we were all having a laugh; no one was being harassed, and the discussion would have picked up as there were still unanswered questions/topics that had been posed.

lol. I just noticed my comment stating that someone shouldn't get a warning for a *ed (Starred) out word (and how our new mods could maybe do with a little more training on understanding this previously declared Waygook policy) was deleted. FFS. That is rude and childlike. If there is one thing I've learnt by moderating other pages, it is that you don't rule by clandestine behaviour. If someone gives you fair criticism, you take it on board. You don't worry about perceptions and operate covertly.

Yeeeeeeeeeessssssss.  How this makes me feeeeeeeeeeeeeellll lll!!!!!

I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I was banned for saying this type of stuff 4 weeks ago.....

I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I was banned for saying this type of stuff 4 weeks ago.....

Hot 6, as much as we love you, I've seen you get into too many troll post arguments to never have received a ban.

I've just noticed I've got 'being watched' for responding someone's 'village idiot' with the same tone as they made a typo in their insult message. It was rather fitting and humorous in context. And nothing but a bit of banter (as the other person also said in a PM).

I know what mod did it. She's a little wet behind the ears and she's possibly letting things get personal as I called her out on giving an unnecessary warning for the starred out word of someone's post (which she also deleted and which I also called her out on). Also, I find it hilarious that after she gave both of us 5%, she went back the next day and added 20% to that (with out any message).  Imagine doing that? Imagine giving a warning, deliberating, then giving more the next morning.

And for the record, 25% is too much for what was written. I do hope you learn how to mod with an even keel. I don't want to bellow 'man, when can we get modding right?', as maybe modding will never be right for some. But let me give you some advice that I hope you take to your heart. When you mod too strongly, when you act in clandestine ways, that's when the forum turns and that's when we get the mess we got 2 months back.

I hope you heed what I'm saying as I'm not just saying it to be irritating to you. Ultimately, I do not care about this warning. I do care, however, about your future behaviour and how it will affect this community.

I was banned for saying this type of stuff 4 weeks ago.....

Hot 6, as much as we love you, I've seen you get into too many troll post arguments to never have received a ban.

Probably

Had to kick all the kids out of my afterschool classes... they were too "high level."

Lets forget about the fact these kids actually wanted to be there, and had motivation to learn.

Too bad for them....


Now they say it has to be a phonics class. Like abc level... but what to continue teaching them difficult material???


So now, not a single kid wants to join, because at the 5th 6th grade level, the reason why these kids don't know there abc's is because they DON"T CARE ABOUT ENGLISH!

Of course I made some suggestions.... about changing the class to an English Drama club. Something fun, where the kids don't feel like they are their for "learning" English.


NO! They can't learn reading and writing and thats the most important part of langauge!


Ummm what about speaking... I don't hold up a sign to communicate with people....


Logic. 

So now they are arguing about what to do, but you know, the Native speaker, and someone who majored in Language,  that opinion is totally worthless and we shouldn't ask for ideas from that dolt..... sparkling.

*Mind my errors, I'm rage typing, and don't care.

Someone's angry about being given a warning for swearing on waygook.org? 

My words were blocked out with *** anyway, so what's the poblem doooodes?

I taught (sic) waygook.org was the place us waygooks could rant and rave on, is it not trooth?

Had to kick all the kids out of my afterschool classes... they were too "high level."

Lets forget about the fact these kids actually wanted to be there, and had motivation to learn.

Too bad for them....


Now they say it has to be a phonics class. Like abc level... but what to continue teaching them difficult material???


So now, not a single kid wants to join, because at the 5th 6th grade level, the reason why these kids don't know there abc's is because they DON"T CARE ABOUT ENGLISH!

Of course I made some suggestions.... about changing the class to an English Drama club. Something fun, where the kids don't feel like they are their for "learning" English.


NO! They can't learn reading and writing and thats the most important part of langauge!


Ummm what about speaking... I don't hold up a sign to communicate with people....


Logic. 

So now they are arguing about what to do, but you know, the Native speaker, and someone who majored in Language,  that opinion is totally worthless and we shouldn't ask for ideas from that dolt..... sparkling.

*Mind my errors, I'm rage typing, and don't care.

You want to do a drama club, but the students can't read or write? How? Am I missing something?

Sucks you don't get much say about your classes, but I think if students at that age can't read or write English, that's probably a good thing to do in class.

Something I've been pondering for a while, what is the point of Koreans changing shoes before entering school? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, since it extends the life of my shoes, but the kids and staff walk on the field and the wet concrete, wearing the indoor slippers. It's the same baffling story when I go to gym.

Japan is a lot more strict about it, making the entire exercise logical, but over here it's just pointless.

Less of a rant, and more of a YAY! My new co teacher makes the same long commute to school as me and is going to drive me home after school!

Tomorrow Ill be making my 5th (and final) trip to immigration to renew my ARC and after all the annoying stuff is over, since I don't have to go back to school, Im having me Subway for lunch and going shopping~ ahh bliss~

Had to kick all the kids out of my afterschool classes... they were too "high level."

Lets forget about the fact these kids actually wanted to be there, and had motivation to learn.

Too bad for them....


Now they say it has to be a phonics class. Like abc level... but what to continue teaching them difficult material???


So now, not a single kid wants to join, because at the 5th 6th grade level, the reason why these kids don't know there abc's is because they DON"T CARE ABOUT ENGLISH!

Of course I made some suggestions.... about changing the class to an English Drama club. Something fun, where the kids don't feel like they are their for "learning" English.


NO! They can't learn reading and writing and thats the most important part of langauge!


Ummm what about speaking... I don't hold up a sign to communicate with people....


Logic. 

So now they are arguing about what to do, but you know, the Native speaker, and someone who majored in Language,  that opinion is totally worthless and we shouldn't ask for ideas from that dolt..... sparkling.

*Mind my errors, I'm rage typing, and don't care.

You want to do a drama club, but the students can't read or write? How? Am I missing something?

Sucks you don't get much say about your classes, but I think if students at that age can't read or write English, that's probably a good thing to do in class.

Listening and repeating, and memorizing lines. Trying to get them comfortable speaking was the goal. It's easy too. I did it with Kindy kids.

The reason why I suggested it for the class, is because the kids don't want to take a BORING reading and writing class based on phonics. They will learn vocabulary, and recall fluency with drama. Something actually useful.

I don't blame them. Also, the parents keep declining the permission slips because they don't want their kids to be bullied; you know, because its a "phonics class."

Something I've been pondering for a while, what is the point of Koreans changing shoes before entering school? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it, since it extends the life of my shoes, but the kids and staff walk on the field and the wet concrete, wearing the indoor slippers. It's the same baffling story when I go to gym.

Japan is a lot more strict about it, making the entire exercise logical, but over here it's just pointless.

Didn't you read the other thread... they wouldn't HAVE TO WEAR them if it weren't for the JAPANESE~~!

I teach a special class once a week that needs special materials (food, craft stuff, art stuff) that sometimes needs to be ordered.
WITHOUT FAIL, the project gets mucked up every week. I have a spreadsheet on our main drive that lists craft supplies needed and a photo of the final project. But either the Korean teacher who orders confuses the weeks, can't find that exact material in Korea, orders the totally wrong thing, the supplies arrive late, etc.
This week I had planned a craft recommended by the Korean teacher. I said it was a great idea and added it, a month ago, to the list. Today I asked where the box of said crafts was, and he says casually that they "gave it away." Instead, he suggested a completely different craft that would take the kids about 2 minutes to complete.
So frustrating. Every. Single. Class.

Jesus, so I had enough today.

Exploded on the boys in my 6th grade.


Trying to get them to pay attention, just openly mocks me, rest of boys laugh, start throwing paper, ask them to stop, laugh at me tell me to be quiet in Korean, and mutter shibal...


yeah...


So Just started blew up on one till he cried, made the others clean the whole classroom in front of the other students...


I don't care if I get a warning or fired.

After 5 years of this crap...

Seriously, I don't care if kids sleep, I don't care if kids write or speak... they can do jack and learn nothing for all I care..

However, when kids blatantly disrespect me, in a way they would never act or talk to a Korean teacher... game over.

Jesus, so I had enough today.

Exploded on the boys in my 6th grade.


Trying to get them to pay attention, just openly mocks me, rest of boys laugh, start throwing paper, ask them to stop, laugh at me tell me to be quiet in Korean, and mutter shibal...


yeah...


So Just started blew up on one till he cried, made the others clean the whole classroom in front of the other students...


I don't care if I get a warning or fired.

After 5 years of this crap...

Seriously, I don't care if kids sleep, I don't care if kids write or speak... they can do jack and learn nothing for all I care..

However, when kids blatantly disrespect me, in a way they would never act or talk to a Korean teacher... game over.

Kudos to you, I wouldn't care either. It's only my second week of second semester and I'm getting to the "I dont care" notion. I teach highschool and there are amazing students that genuinely want to learn.. but teaching a class as a whole is getting annoying.