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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5800 on: September 07, 2018, 03:12:15 pm »
How did bibimbap and bulgogi become the posterchildren of Korean food promoted abroad? Bibimbap was literally created first by using 반찬 leftovers, and barely even qualifies as like, a recipe or dish, and bulgogi is just... underwhelming? Has anyone ever eaten bulgogi and been like, "Oh my god, this is so delicious"?

Bibimbap can be great, but at the end of the day, it really is just rice with 반찬 on it.

I feel like they're two of the most overrated Korean foods. Also samgyeopsal is up there. It's usually really low grade pork belly. If the place actually uses good meat, it can be good, but Korean BBQ restaurants are usually pretty much the lowest common denominator of food.

What do you feel are the most overrated Korean foods?

And if you're just going to come in here and say, "Bawww all Korean food is bad it's so bad UGH it's not REFINED and it's such an INFERIOR CUISINE UGHHHH" then just don't bother. I'm asking people who actually like and appreciate Korean food.

I get some flack for not gushing about Korean food even though there's a lot I like (the same with Korean music and TV but that's another story). I think you're right about bibimbap and bulgogi being overrated. I love meat generally but I don't find myself hankering for some bulgogi. You'll find me in the free-refill samgyeopsal place at least once a week, though  ;D

Most overrated: shabu-shabu. Am I the only one who thinks it's just a thin, disappointing stew? Plus I can never get enough meat at those restaurants. Also, an honorable mention to rice-cakes. I will never forgive you for having 'cake' in your name. They're one of the least inspired ways of getting calories into your body that I can think of.

Most underrated: 전 (jeon) and 막걸리 (makgeolli). Found an all-you-cant eat 전 restaurant near me and it's changed my life.

Korean shabu-shabu is super disappointing, especially they just dump EVERYTHING in all at the same time.

Shabu-shabu is supposed to be a slow meal where you cook one shaving of meat at a time in the soup, and the soup slowly, SLOWLY, builds up its flavour from all the different stuff your dip-cooking in it. It's not supposed to a 'dump a bunch of stuff in a pot all at once' type thing.

Ah, that explains that then. Kind of like the Korean approach to pastas.

Yeah. Shabu-shabu is one of my favourite foods.
And it's good in Korea if a) they don't overseason the broth, and b) you're eating with yourself and just friends or something and you can make sure you make and eat it properly.

Otherwise, hard disappointment.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5801 on: September 07, 2018, 03:19:19 pm »
I gotta get hip to this. What is the oak cask soju called and where can I find it?

Honestly, Emart always has it. THEREFORE so should Lotte and Homeplus. hahah

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5802 on: September 07, 2018, 03:19:44 pm »
Most underrated: 전 (jeon) and 막걸리 (makgeolli). Found an all-you-cant eat 전 restaurant near me and it's changed my life.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5803 on: September 07, 2018, 03:22:05 pm »
Underated: 콩국수- One of the best Korean foods out there in my opinion.옻닭 is delicious. 고등어조림 is terrific.
Overrated (by Koreans): 비빔밥, 잔치국수. Anything with 갈치.

Special mention hot takes: Korean fried chicken such as BHC or BBQ is overrated. 통닭 is underrated. An ice cold frosted glass of Cass/Hite with your bbq on a hot summer night (only circumstance where they pass muster).

I don't think Korean bbq is so much about the food as it is about the atmosphere. It's all about relaxing with some booze and maybe there's a game on the TV. You get to sit around and cook stuff up and talk and get a meat fix in after a lunch of carbs. It's a social experience- people talking and laughing and unwinding.

Most all you can eats suck unless they actually use fresh meat. If it's frozen, stay away. 
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5804 on: September 07, 2018, 03:24:45 pm »
Also, an honorable mention to rice-cakes. I will never forgive you for having 'cake' in your name. They're one of the least inspired ways of getting calories into your body that I can think of.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5805 on: September 07, 2018, 03:26:53 pm »
Speaking of soju, does anyone know of a good quality soju that would be difficult to impossible to find overseas? Preferably one that might be wellknown or popular in Korea because it's from a specific region or city and has a unique flavor or taste as a result, or an unknown gem that may not register on lists but, quality-wise, can rival any of the known brands. Just as long as it's not something you can typically find in a grocery or convenience store around the country.

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5806 on: September 07, 2018, 03:31:02 pm »
Speaking of soju, does anyone know of a good quality soju that would be difficult to impossible to find overseas? Preferably one that might be wellknown or popular in Korea because it's from a specific region or city and has a unique flavor or taste as a result, or an unknown gem that may not register on lists but, quality-wise, can rival any of the known brands. Just as long as it's not something you can typically find in a grocery or convenience store around the country.

It's not super select but it's the best without spending 65 000 on a bottle.

Hwayo 25. Seriously. Based, back me up on this. Store? 11 or 12000. Resto......... 20-23000?

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5807 on: September 07, 2018, 03:38:28 pm »
Underated: 콩국수- One of the best Korean foods out there in my opinion.옻닭 is delicious. 고등어조림 is terrific.
Overrated (by Koreans): 비빔밥, 잔치국수. Anything with 갈치.

Special mention hot takes: Korean fried chicken such as BHC or BBQ is overrated. 통닭 is underrated. An ice cold frosted glass of Cass/Hite with your bbq on a hot summer night (only circumstance where they pass muster).

I don't think Korean bbq is so much about the food as it is about the atmosphere. It's all about relaxing with some booze and maybe there's a game on the TV. You get to sit around and cook stuff up and talk and get a meat fix in after a lunch of carbs. It's a social experience- people talking and laughing and unwinding.

Most all you can eats suck unless they actually use fresh meat. If it's frozen, stay away.

옻닭 is so good. Too bad that one blog was trying to tell everyone it's poisonous.

Also, you're right. Most of the franchise chicken places - the big ones at least - are really bad.
And yeah. I get that BBQ is a social thing most of the time, 'cause while it might not be great, it's not something people will refuse to eat. And it is fun.

Also 갈치 was something I hated until I learned the right way to take the bones out. Now I love it.

Also, Max as a beer is sorely underrated. But Cass and Hite are pretty crappy.

Also, seconding Hwayo. It's definitely not like, a super high end soju, but it's seriously drinkable. I like the 25 version, too. At Emart and stuff it's like 12,000ish? They have it at Costco, too. Emart 24s have it, too, and it's like 14,000 for a bottle there.

But!! I have actually seen Hwayo available overseas, too, in some fancy liquor stores. So I dunno if that's a dealbreaker for waygook.org user Chinguetti.



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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5808 on: September 07, 2018, 04:10:25 pm »
The most overrated Korean food is 삼겹살. All fatty and often boney

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5809 on: September 08, 2018, 08:12:05 pm »
Korean shabu-shabu is super disappointing, especially they just dump EVERYTHING in all at the same time.

Shabu-shabu is supposed to be a slow meal where you cook one shaving of meat at a time in the soup, and the soup slowly, SLOWLY, builds up its flavour from all the different stuff your dip-cooking in it. It's not supposed to a 'dump a bunch of stuff in a pot all at once' type thing.
If you want good shabu-shabu (and there's *great* shabu out there!) you need to go to one of those fancy-pants do-it-yourself places where you order the meat, and then grab all the other ingredients from the salad bar and basically just make the whole darn thing yourself. There's one in the city close to my village that we sometimes go to, and it's pretty awesome.


WELL, good thing I know what's going on! haha. That oak cask stuff has such a smooth vanilla note to it, so much better and, like you said, only 200W more.

Was at a restaurant recently and noticed that the 2,000 won bottle of chamisul rotgut that we were poisoning ourselves as we devoured our slabs of charring fat and gristle had a new label on it: "Filtered with oak charcoal".
Nearly dumped ssamjang all over myself laughing.
Do they actually even filter soju? I though they just mixed pure ethanol with some water and sugar...?


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5810 on: September 08, 2018, 11:01:57 pm »
yeah, exactly. when people say they "like" soju, i'm sure what they actually mean is they love the taste of ethanol mixed with water and sugar, which i take to mean they don't actually have any working tastebuds


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5811 on: September 10, 2018, 12:15:13 am »
It's not super select but it's the best without spending 65 000 on a bottle.

Hwayo 25. Seriously. Based, back me up on this. Store? 11 or 12000. Resto......... 20-23000?

I have actually seen Hwayo available overseas, too, in some fancy liquor stores. So I dunno if that's a dealbreaker for waygook.org user Chinguetti.

Haha, thanks for the recommendation, guys.

Yeah, generally anything that can be found easily in a chain grocery or convenience store here can also be found in the States at your local asian mart or liquor store. For the most part. Especially in the areas where there is a large Korean community. My brother has easy access to those, and I don't want to load down a box with something he can just buy at home. I have absolutely no problem paying more for a higher quality soju as long as it's not anything too crazy. Anything under 150k won is doable for me, as long as it's worth it.

But it's not a dealbreaker, it's definitely something I'll tell my brother to look out for the next time he goes shopping because it might be priced like a fine liquor at home (12k here, $60 in the States = no), in which case I'll probably end up sticking a bottle into my next shipment anyway.

Thanks again!
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5812 on: September 10, 2018, 08:05:09 am »
It's not super select but it's the best without spending 65 000 on a bottle.

Hwayo 25. Seriously. Based, back me up on this. Store? 11 or 12000. Resto......... 20-23000?

I have actually seen Hwayo available overseas, too, in some fancy liquor stores. So I dunno if that's a dealbreaker for waygook.org user Chinguetti.

Haha, thanks for the recommendation, guys.

Yeah, generally anything that can be found easily in a chain grocery or convenience store here can also be found in the States at your local asian mart or liquor store. For the most part. Especially in the areas where there is a large Korean community. My brother has easy access to those, and I don't want to load down a box with something he can just buy at home. I have absolutely no problem paying more for a higher quality soju as long as it's not anything too crazy. Anything under 150k won is doable for me, as long as it's worth it.

But it's not a dealbreaker, it's definitely something I'll tell my brother to look out for the next time he goes shopping because it might be priced like a fine liquor at home (12k here, $60 in the States = no), in which case I'll probably end up sticking a bottle into my next shipment anyway.

Thanks again!

The problem with fancy soju is diminishing returns.

You've got your basic stuff.

Then for like 500 won more, you can get the fancy basic stuff. Which honestly is better. You can taste the difference.

Then you get up to the Hwayo level, where it's like 15-25,000 per bottle. And that's the biggest jump in quality. Smooth, drinkable, doesn't taste like chemicals. Tastes good on the rocks, or even neat. You don't even have to shoot it, because it's honestly pretty tasty.

And then you can go to the fancy liquor sections in some of the department stores (I think Shinsegae has been putting 'traditional Korean liquor' stalls in some of their places. Or maybe it was Hyundai. Anyways.) and then you're getting pretty much top-of-the-line stuff, but at the same time, you're paying a huge premium for the presentation, packaging, and marketing, for a taste that isn't dramatically different than what you'd get with a bottle of Hwayo for a fraction of the price.



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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5813 on: September 10, 2018, 08:45:35 am »
It's not super select but it's the best without spending 65 000 on a bottle.

Hwayo 25. Seriously. Based, back me up on this. Store? 11 or 12000. Resto......... 20-23000?

I have actually seen Hwayo available overseas, too, in some fancy liquor stores. So I dunno if that's a dealbreaker for waygook.org user Chinguetti.

Haha, thanks for the recommendation, guys.

Yeah, generally anything that can be found easily in a chain grocery or convenience store here can also be found in the States at your local asian mart or liquor store. For the most part. Especially in the areas where there is a large Korean community. My brother has easy access to those, and I don't want to load down a box with something he can just buy at home. I have absolutely no problem paying more for a higher quality soju as long as it's not anything too crazy. Anything under 150k won is doable for me, as long as it's worth it.

But it's not a dealbreaker, it's definitely something I'll tell my brother to look out for the next time he goes shopping because it might be priced like a fine liquor at home (12k here, $60 in the States = no), in which case I'll probably end up sticking a bottle into my next shipment anyway.

Thanks again!

The problem with fancy soju is diminishing returns.

You've got your basic stuff.

Then for like 500 won more, you can get the fancy basic stuff. Which honestly is better. You can taste the difference.

Then you get up to the Hwayo level, where it's like 15-25,000 per bottle. And that's the biggest jump in quality. Smooth, drinkable, doesn't taste like chemicals. Tastes good on the rocks, or even neat. You don't even have to shoot it, because it's honestly pretty tasty.

And then you can go to the fancy liquor sections in some of the department stores (I think Shinsegae has been putting 'traditional Korean liquor' stalls in some of their places. Or maybe it was Hyundai. Anyways.) and then you're getting pretty much top-of-the-line stuff, but at the same time, you're paying a huge premium for the presentation, packaging, and marketing, for a taste that isn't dramatically different than what you'd get with a bottle of Hwayo for a fraction of the price.
Same with whisky, or wine, or headphones.


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5814 on: September 10, 2018, 09:34:16 am »
The most overrated Korean food is 삼겹살. All fatty and often boney

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Samgyupsal IS overrated. 목살 is the better cut. That being said, if you want good samgyupsal, you have to make sure it's fresh and that the ratio of meat-to-fat is acceptable. I also prefer a thicker cut that takes longer to cook. Pork belly is a fine cut, but it is overplayed here. I think part of the problem is that it's the only one a lot of people know and they're scared to order anything else off the menu, so you get stuck with it. People who know their stuff know to change it up and rather than order 6 servings of samgyupsal, to instead get a variety.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5815 on: September 10, 2018, 09:35:03 am »
Same with whisky, or wine, or headphones.

Yeah, my headphones are 640 000W, and I have heard the Senn HD800s. They are 2 000 000 .

They are NOT 3x better than mine. Hahahaha Mine are 50% better than the 300 000W ones. The HD800s are 50% better than mine.

Diminishing returns indeed.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5816 on: September 10, 2018, 10:03:01 am »
What BTS really need is some military service!!

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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5817 on: September 10, 2018, 10:06:52 am »
How did bibimbap and bulgogi become the posterchildren of Korean food promoted abroad? Bibimbap was literally created first by using 반찬 leftovers, and barely even qualifies as like, a recipe or dish, and bulgogi is just... underwhelming? Has anyone ever eaten bulgogi and been like, "Oh my god, this is so delicious"?

Bibimbap can be great, but at the end of the day, it really is just rice with 반찬 on it.

I feel like they're two of the most overrated Korean foods. Also samgyeopsal is up there. It's usually really low grade pork belly. If the place actually uses good meat, it can be good, but Korean BBQ restaurants are usually pretty much the lowest common denominator of food.

What do you feel are the most overrated Korean foods?

And if you're just going to come in here and say, "Bawww all Korean food is bad it's so bad UGH it's not REFINED and it's such an INFERIOR CUISINE UGHHHH" then just don't bother. I'm asking people who actually like and appreciate Korean food.

I can't eat a lot of Korean foods because of the spiciness. I have a super low tolerance to spicy foods, so even mild is often too much for me.
So foods like bibimbap, samgyapsal, etc are pretty good to me. Also I have food allergies, and have to be careful about what I eat.
I'm not sure I could say what is overrated, as there is a lot I haven't been able to eat.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5818 on: September 10, 2018, 10:11:34 am »
The most overrated Korean food is 삼겹살. All fatty and often boney

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Samgyupsal IS overrated. 목살 is the better cut. That being said, if you want good samgyupsal, you have to make sure it's fresh and that the ratio of meat-to-fat is acceptable. I also prefer a thicker cut that takes longer to cook. Pork belly is a fine cut, but it is overplayed here. I think part of the problem is that it's the only one a lot of people know and they're scared to order anything else off the menu, so you get stuck with it. People who know their stuff know to change it up and rather than order 6 servings of samgyupsal, to instead get a variety.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5819 on: September 10, 2018, 10:19:02 am »
The problem with fancy soju is diminishing returns.

You've got your basic stuff.

Then for like 500 won more, you can get the fancy basic stuff. Which honestly is better. You can taste the difference.

Then you get up to the Hwayo level, where it's like 15-25,000 per bottle. And that's the biggest jump in quality. Smooth, drinkable, doesn't taste like chemicals. Tastes good on the rocks, or even neat. You don't even have to shoot it, because it's honestly pretty tasty.

And then you can go to the fancy liquor sections in some of the department stores (I think Shinsegae has been putting 'traditional Korean liquor' stalls in some of their places. Or maybe it was Hyundai. Anyways.) and then you're getting pretty much top-of-the-line stuff, but at the same time, you're paying a huge premium for the presentation, packaging, and marketing, for a taste that isn't dramatically different than what you'd get with a bottle of Hwayo for a fraction of the price.

Yeah, I'm trying to stay away from a lot of the modern brands for pretty much this reason.

I was hoping for brands that are a little more on the traditional and specialized side, like Andong soju. I think the most I've spent on soju so far was for around 40k, but it was a two-pack on sale. Can't remember the name, but it's in a fancy green bottle with a bell on it or maybe shaped like a bell... something to do with a bell. This is the soju my brother likes the most so far, although Andong soju is a lot stronger.

EDIT: Confirmed, it was a Lee Gang Ju soju. I think they may have one specifically formulated for the Jeonju area, too, I think I'll check it out.
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