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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5160 on: May 18, 2018, 09:19:03 am »

On another note, I am trying to figure out the best way to tell the custodian that the bathrooms are too dirty. I mean, I can handle a dirty bathroom to some extent, but there is black mold growing all over the place. Not to mention there is phlegm all over the back of the doors. I suppose she just opens the door and cleans, but what is on the inside behind the door is so much worse.

That's probably the reason why she avoids it. xD Not sure what the school is giving her to work with, but I doubt she's getting paid enough, whatever the case may be.
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Well, I went in and cleaned it last year. I definitely don't think it was/is in my job description. I might have to bring it up, and if nothing happens, I'll bring stuff to scrub it. Maybe when the vice principal and others see the native teacher scrubbing the restroom, they will be a bit more inclined to ask the lady to check it.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5161 on: May 18, 2018, 09:26:32 am »

On another note, I am trying to figure out the best way to tell the custodian that the bathrooms are too dirty. I mean, I can handle a dirty bathroom to some extent, but there is black mold growing all over the place. Not to mention there is phlegm all over the back of the doors. I suppose she just opens the door and cleans, but what is on the inside behind the door is so much worse.

That's probably the reason why she avoids it. xD Not sure what the school is giving her to work with, but I doubt she's getting paid enough, whatever the case may be.

Well, I went in and cleaned it last year. I definitely don't think it was/is in my job description. I might have to bring it up, and if nothing happens, I'll bring stuff to scrub it. Maybe when the vice principal and others see the native teacher scrubbing the restroom, they will be a bit more inclined to ask the lady to check it.
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More likely they will be paralyzed by cognitive dissonance.
On the one hand, your standards are higher than anyone else, AND you are willing to lower yourself do menial work.


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5162 on: May 18, 2018, 09:36:17 am »
Honestly, I've thought about taking pictures of some of the common and disgusting things I see in the student bathrooms here so that I can stick them in slides and (hopefully) shame the students into stopping the behaviors to begin with. They don't really think about how disgusting and inconsiderate it is. Sometimes pointing it out makes them think enough about it that it significantly decreases if not completely stops the behavior.

For boys, it's spit and phlegm. For girls, it's makeup smears on surfaces and trash in the sinks -- it looks way worse than it sounds.


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5163 on: May 18, 2018, 09:39:32 am »

On another note, I am trying to figure out the best way to tell the custodian that the bathrooms are too dirty. I mean, I can handle a dirty bathroom to some extent, but there is black mold growing all over the place. Not to mention there is phlegm all over the back of the doors. I suppose she just opens the door and cleans, but what is on the inside behind the door is so much worse.

That's probably the reason why she avoids it. xD Not sure what the school is giving her to work with, but I doubt she's getting paid enough, whatever the case may be.

Well, I went in and cleaned it last year. I definitely don't think it was/is in my job description. I might have to bring it up, and if nothing happens, I'll bring stuff to scrub it. Maybe when the vice principal and others see the native teacher scrubbing the restroom, they will be a bit more inclined to ask the lady to check it.

More likely they will be paralyzed by cognitive dissonance.
On the one hand, your standards are higher than anyone else, AND you are willing to lower yourself do menial work.
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I am willing to do it, but it won't be without some amount of time pressuring for someone to clean it.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5164 on: May 18, 2018, 09:47:28 am »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5165 on: May 18, 2018, 10:07:00 am »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.

That's awful. I hope everyone survived. Please let us know any developments.


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5166 on: May 18, 2018, 12:48:52 pm »
I don't know what's going on right now, but it literally sounds like the students are bowling with every piece of furniture in the entire school.

It's evolved from bowling to getting tossed around in a dryer. I really want to be nosy and find out what's going on, but I'm too afraid that I'll end up getting roped into doing whatever the **** they're doing, too.


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5167 on: May 18, 2018, 12:55:36 pm »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.

My second year here my hagwon's bus got into a pretty bad accident, with the driver in critical condition and one of the girls with a pretty serious leg injury.  It was a rough few weeks after that.  I'm sorry your school has to go through that now.

Good reason to follow traffic laws and posted speeds.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 12:57:21 pm by donovan »


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5168 on: May 18, 2018, 12:58:19 pm »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.

Only now just saw this. I'm sorry to hear that this happened. Sending you and everyone involved/affected the best.


Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5169 on: May 18, 2018, 01:02:06 pm »
I don't know what's going on right now, but it literally sounds like the students are bowling with every piece of furniture in the entire school.

It's evolved from bowling to getting tossed around in a dryer. I really want to be nosy and find out what's going on, but I'm too afraid that I'll end up getting roped into doing whatever the **** they're doing, too.

Smart move.

I've regretted asking too many questions in the past as it usually ends up with me either A) moving pointless heavy sh*t B) cleaning useless dirty sh*t or C) being told about some after work-hours event that I could've avoided, but now must attend (thanks to my own self-destructive nosiness).

Nothing good can come from knowing things. Nothing.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5170 on: May 18, 2018, 02:29:00 pm »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.

I truly hope it's not as bad as it sounds. I would be a mess if my students were seriously injured or worse in an accident. Sending hope your way brother.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5171 on: May 18, 2018, 02:35:06 pm »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.

I truly hope it's not as bad as it sounds. I would be a mess if my students were seriously injured or worse in an accident. Sending hope your way brother.

Praying for you and your students, mate. Godspeed.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5172 on: May 18, 2018, 05:11:12 pm »
Guys, please send your thoughts. Some of my students were in a car accident and the school has been in a gloomy mood all day. I don't know all the details, but it can't be good considering all the crying students I've had in my office. Please and thanks again for your consideration.

Did you find anything out? I hope everyone is okay and nothing serious happened.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5173 on: May 18, 2018, 07:44:39 pm »
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20180517000634

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Four students were injured by a teacherís car that suddenly accelerated toward them at a middle school parking lot in Cheongju, North Chungcheong Province.

The teacherís sedan unexpectedly accelerated, ran down the school safety fence and drove onto the sidewalk around 8:20 a.m. Thursday inside the schoolís parking lot, said Cheongjuís Cheongwon Police Station.

The vehicle hit four students who were on their way to school. One of them suffered a head injury and is still unconscious, while the other three suffered minor and severe injuries. The teacher was hurt in the accident as well, according to police.

Police are investigating the case. The teacher claimed that her vehicle suddenly charged at the safety fence and went onto the sidewalk while she was parking.


I heard the news from my co-teacher, Thursday evening, but not in great detail. I was teaching at my second school on Thursday when it happened. On my way to the school today, I noticed the fence was missing, but hadn't heard the details. Today during a teacher's meeting in my province, other GETs were asking me about it because they heard the news in this article. I'm only sad because I'm not sure which students were hurt, and which teacher is responsible.  :sad:

On another note, my principal decided that because of this incident, the teachers should come to work on Monday rather than have the day off because ??????????  :undecided:

I'm going to 인천 that day regardless.
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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5174 on: May 22, 2018, 10:28:35 am »
I've been going over in my head what happened yesterday and what I'm gonna tell the PoE at our meeting but just..

I wanna say that being assaulted by a student is my breaking point, it's where I draw the line.

I don't think it's acceptable in any circumstance, and the attitude about it here just isn't to my tastes. Just kinda going "Oh haha well you know kids...bein' kids, assaulting teachers haha, those darn kids."

Has anyone here been hit by a kid before during class? What did your school do?


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5175 on: May 22, 2018, 11:13:02 am »
I've been going over in my head what happened yesterday and what I'm gonna tell the PoE at our meeting but just..

I wanna say that being assaulted by a student is my breaking point, it's where I draw the line.

I don't think it's acceptable in any circumstance, and the attitude about it here just isn't to my tastes. Just kinda going "Oh haha well you know kids...bein' kids, assaulting teachers haha, those darn kids."

Has anyone here been hit by a kid before during class? What did your school do?

Never been hit but when a kid is particularly bad then their homeroom teacher makes them apologise.

I guess the big question is - What do you want to happen? What would resolve this issue and other issues for you?

I guess when having any meeting with the POE you need to figure out what you want and what is possible.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5176 on: May 22, 2018, 11:48:30 am »
I've been going over in my head what happened yesterday and what I'm gonna tell the PoE at our meeting but just..

I wanna say that being assaulted by a student is my breaking point, it's where I draw the line.

I don't think it's acceptable in any circumstance, and the attitude about it here just isn't to my tastes. Just kinda going "Oh haha well you know kids...bein' kids, assaulting teachers haha, those darn kids."

Has anyone here been hit by a kid before during class? What did your school do?

Never been hit but when a kid is particularly bad then their homeroom teacher makes them apologise.

I guess the big question is - What do you want to happen? What would resolve this issue and other issues for you?

I guess when having any meeting with the POE you need to figure out what you want and what is possible.

The thing is, I don't really think there's much to be done now, but it just really underscored how I don't think anyone is going to have my back (ba-dum-tss) at this school. I'll check tomorrow and see if it was carried to the higher ups.

I don't want to make this a slippery slope argument, but if a kid already thinks it fine to headbutt a teacher when their back is turned because they said no, what would they do next time? Would this happen to a Korean teacher? Would there be punishment?

This is my line in the sand but I don't know if I have much of a leg to stand on here. It really just hurts me more mentally than physically (it's a close race though, I can't bend over today) seeing that the reaction wasn't like "let's write up an incident report and I'll talk to the principal."

I have no idea what the chain of procedures is for this in Korea. I knew back in the states how it would go. But with this, idk what to push.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5177 on: May 23, 2018, 07:34:03 am »
I've been going over in my head what happened yesterday and what I'm gonna tell the PoE at our meeting but just..

I wanna say that being assaulted by a student is my breaking point, it's where I draw the line.

I don't think it's acceptable in any circumstance, and the attitude about it here just isn't to my tastes. Just kinda going "Oh haha well you know kids...bein' kids, assaulting teachers haha, those darn kids."

Has anyone here been hit by a kid before during class? What did your school do?

Never been hit but when a kid is particularly bad then their homeroom teacher makes them apologise.

I guess the big question is - What do you want to happen? What would resolve this issue and other issues for you?

I guess when having any meeting with the POE you need to figure out what you want and what is possible.

The thing is, I don't really think there's much to be done now, but it just really underscored how I don't think anyone is going to have my back (ba-dum-tss) at this school. I'll check tomorrow and see if it was carried to the higher ups.

I don't want to make this a slippery slope argument, but if a kid already thinks it fine to headbutt a teacher when their back is turned because they said no, what would they do next time? Would this happen to a Korean teacher? Would there be punishment?

This is my line in the sand but I don't know if I have much of a leg to stand on here. It really just hurts me more mentally than physically (it's a close race though, I can't bend over today) seeing that the reaction wasn't like "let's write up an incident report and I'll talk to the principal."

I have no idea what the chain of procedures is for this in Korea. I knew back in the states how it would go. But with this, idk what to push.

I don't know if you're looking for advice or not but this is waygook so i'm gonna give it anyway.

I think, the most you can expect is an apology and that is the general procedure. The HR teacher should explain he hurt you, why it was wrong, and then get him to apologize and/or write a letter.

In terms of punishment? what would you want? I know it hurts and it sucks but how else can they punish a 9 year old? Suspend him? Detention? They don't really do it in elementary school. We don't really know what's going on with this kid that he thinks it's acceptable behaviour too.

I do agree the school should take it more seriously though.

If I were you I would either ask the MT again, saying how seriously he hurt you (It might be she thinks it didn't leave a bruise or she just doesn't care which from what you've said is probably true.)

or go directly to the homeroom teacher. You can get by on a little English and papago to explain what happened then let them deal with it.

As for the POE if I were you i'd focus on things that the school is obligated to do - so help you/be there in the classroom. I guess they can't make your school care about you but they can make sure they are following the rules and that's all you can ask for really. Anyway hope it works out and you feel better.



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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5178 on: May 23, 2018, 07:49:50 am »
It really just hurts me more mentally than physically (it's a close race though, I can't bend over today)

Tell them you need to go to the hospital to have it checked out. It happened on school property, so they would have to get insurance or whoever involved to help cover any medical costs. That might put a little pep in their step to get things sorted out.


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Re: A thread for pointless Friday ramblings.
« Reply #5179 on: May 23, 2018, 11:20:00 am »
I've been going over in my head what happened yesterday and what I'm gonna tell the PoE at our meeting but just..

I wanna say that being assaulted by a student is my breaking point, it's where I draw the line.

I don't think it's acceptable in any circumstance, and the attitude about it here just isn't to my tastes. Just kinda going "Oh haha well you know kids...bein' kids, assaulting teachers haha, those darn kids."

Has anyone here been hit by a kid before during class? What did your school do?

Never been hit but when a kid is particularly bad then their homeroom teacher makes them apologise.

I guess the big question is - What do you want to happen? What would resolve this issue and other issues for you?

I guess when having any meeting with the POE you need to figure out what you want and what is possible.

The thing is, I don't really think there's much to be done now, but it just really underscored how I don't think anyone is going to have my back (ba-dum-tss) at this school. I'll check tomorrow and see if it was carried to the higher ups.

I don't want to make this a slippery slope argument, but if a kid already thinks it fine to headbutt a teacher when their back is turned because they said no, what would they do next time? Would this happen to a Korean teacher? Would there be punishment?

This is my line in the sand but I don't know if I have much of a leg to stand on here. It really just hurts me more mentally than physically (it's a close race though, I can't bend over today) seeing that the reaction wasn't like "let's write up an incident report and I'll talk to the principal."

I have no idea what the chain of procedures is for this in Korea. I knew back in the states how it would go. But with this, idk what to push.
When I was working at a high school, I was sort of attacked by a 2nd year. I took his phone from him while he was using it in class, and he came back up to my podium/desk and asked for his phone back. When I told him no, he started to get really angry, cussing at me and yelling and then finally exploded and kicked the podium, hit out at me, and then kicked and broke the desk. I was knocked by the podium (he made it rock forward into me), but avoided his hand. After he broke the desk, he stormed out, screaming and cursing the whole time. I told the school after that I didn't want him in my class anymore because I was uncomfortable around him (he had a lot of anger issues, this was the worst of his episodes, but it wasn't the first). They didn't do anything, not even apologize.

Long story short, it sucks, but don't expect anything. Mister Tim's suggestion is good, but I wouldn't hold my breath. :lipsrsealed: