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  • Nominstar86
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Good Hagwon Contracts?
« on: June 07, 2014, 07:06:43 pm »
Sorry if this has already been answered. What should be included in a hagwon contract to consider it as a legitimate contract? In other words what is doable and legal?

*Legal number of hours working per week or month
*Legal number of overtime hours
*Legal pay wages + overtime wages
*Legal Vacation Days

Anything I should be aware about in regard to severance pay, national pension, national health plan, housing, and flight?

I want to be well prepared before applying to teach. Any information will be helpful. Thank you.
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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 12:08:33 pm »
TBH, the way Hagwon usually go about their business....

The only good contract, is a school that ACTUALLY HONORS their contract.

You could sign the best contract in the known universe, but your Hagwon just might choose to keep screwing you over...... because they can get away with it easily....

Everything should be mentioned.

Severance, pension, National health, housing, flight; if there is any grey area surrounding those things, its a bad contract.

10 days paid vacations is standard.

32 working hours (somewhere around there)

Overtime... yeah. Ummm.. it might not happen, but it's a hagwon, they will just say it was part of the "other responsibilities" stipulation.... don't expect anything from that...


What you put into Korea, is what you will get out of Korea; it will not spoon feed you.


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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 02:08:40 pm »
Other things to be wary of are

- what exactly a "teaching hour" constitutes. Some schools say a 40min class = 1 teaching hour(good). Others say 60mins teaching = 1 teaching hour (not so good).

-be wary of any housing deposits etc

-don't ever pay back any recruiter fees if you leave early.

-shouldn't have to pay back any flights for leaving early after 6mths.

**you can't legally sign away any rights that are guaranteed  (but it's not very helpful because the labor board is next to useless)
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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 04:42:08 pm »
Thank you both of you for the replies. I wrote the suggestions down I'll keep them in mind.
"Some folks are wise and some are otherwise."

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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 10:36:03 pm »
*Legal number of hours working per week or month? - Anything above 19 hours, under would be considered part time.
*Legal number of overtime hours? Any
*Legal pay wages + overtime wages? The minimum wage in Korea is a little under W7,000 per hour. Public Schools have a pay scale hagwons don't.
*Legal Vacation Days? 10 days is standard.

Basically;
* Don't take a job with over 9 hours per day working and over 30 hours a week teaching. You'll be burnt out before the end of the year otherwise.
* Unless the location and hours are amazing don't take less than 2.2mil.
* Try and get return flights (although that's a dieing perk).
* Housing should be Single Studio (although I've only met a handful or people who had shared accom).
* Pension, Health Insurance and Severance should all be included.

Also
* Don't trust recruiters to much.
* Research the area before taking a role.
* Speak to a current teacher at the same school before signing.


  • Nominstar86
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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 10:43:06 pm »
*Legal number of hours working per week or month? - Anything above 19 hours, under would be considered part time.
*Legal number of overtime hours? Any
*Legal pay wages + overtime wages? The minimum wage in Korea is a little under W7,000 per hour. Public Schools have a pay scale hagwons don't.
*Legal Vacation Days? 10 days is standard.

Basically;
* Don't take a job with over 9 hours per day working and over 30 hours a week teaching. You'll be burnt out before the end of the year otherwise.
* Unless the location and hours are amazing don't take less than 2.2mil.
* Try and get return flights (although that's a dieing perk).
* Housing should be Single Studio (although I've only met a handful or people who had shared accom).
* Pension, Health Insurance and Severance should all be included.

Also
* Don't trust recruiters to much.
* Research the area before taking a role.
* Speak to a current teacher at the same school before signing.

Thank you I'll narrow the requirements down to what has been suggested.
"Some folks are wise and some are otherwise."

-Tobias Smollett


Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 11:06:50 pm »
Make sure they are paying their share of pension/insurance.
And then, really look at the business.
Are there 6 teachers but only 50 students? That doesn't add up.
Are there over 100 students? Does the place look decent, not on it's last legs?
hagwons are closing left and right these days, thats what id be concerned with.


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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2014, 11:11:24 pm »
Got it I'll make sure to do a 360 degree research.
"Some folks are wise and some are otherwise."

-Tobias Smollett


Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 08:47:33 am »

Also
* Don't trust recruiters to much.
* Research the area before taking a role.
* Speak to a current teacher at the same school before signing.

Not sure I could trust an employee. Would a current teacher (with his/her boss in the room) really tell you the job is bollocks and he/she can't wait for the contract to be up? "I'm overworked, underpaid, the contract isn't always followed... and actually, another teacher just had a serious issue with...". I don't think so. Even if the boss wasn't in the room, how would the boss treat that employee if you seemed interested in the position, then, after talking to the employee you decided not to work at the company.

Have a look at the blacklist sites. And check the contract for the red flags other posters have mentioned.


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Re: Good Hagwon Contracts?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 12:37:53 pm »

Also
* Don't trust recruiters to much.
* Research the area before taking a role.
* Speak to a current teacher at the same school before signing.

Not sure I could trust an employee. Would a current teacher (with his/her boss in the room) really tell you the job is bollocks and he/she can't wait for the contract to be up? "I'm overworked, underpaid, the contract isn't always followed... and actually, another teacher just had a serious issue with...". I don't think so. Even if the boss wasn't in the room, how would the boss treat that employee if you seemed interested in the position, then, after talking to the employee you decided not to work at the company.

Have a look at the blacklist sites. And check the contract for the red flags other posters have mentioned.

Besides checking contracts with red flags and looking at the blacklist it's probably a good idea to talk to current and former employers and see how their opinions differ. Thanks for the insight.
"Some folks are wise and some are otherwise."

-Tobias Smollett