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  • TeachaTeacha
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    • September 06, 2012, 03:27:09 pm
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2014, 12:12:59 pm »
I felt sympathy for you when I started reading this thread, but...

Yup.


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    • May 09, 2012, 10:11:12 pm
Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2014, 12:40:37 pm »
I felt sympathy for you when I started reading this thread, but...

Yup.

I thought s/he kinda had a point...people do come here to spout.  but I'm missing my glasses so I probably read it all wrong. ... Or maybe I'm just projecting as I know I do it sometimes... Hey, it's lonely in this big office all my myself and I just want to talk...   :undecided: Anyway.

OP, you're not fired yet and you probably won't be. I know diarrhea can be bad but I don't see how it would stop you from coming to work. I'm not saying this to say I'm better than you but I've been sick here... really sick. In the space of about 6months I would be violently ill every month and it would last for about 4days (or until I went to the emergency room to get some anti-sickness injections) each time. I would go to class and every hour, every 30minutes, I'd excuse myself and go vomit then come back and teach. It was hell but I did it. So can you. My problem was solved, and the only lasting damage is to my oesophagus. Go to a professional. Research it online and get proper help.


  • Andyroo
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    • February 09, 2011, 12:49:41 pm
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2014, 12:48:38 pm »
I think a lot of posters were being rude and harsh.
I don't blame the OP for getting upset.

There were some useful comments about cleansing or travelling to see a doctor but a few that just didn't read the entire OP but felt the need to write "you deserve it".

People are complaining about the OP (a real person explaining his real situation) but all seem on board with MrSt1nkFinger trolling.



  • Hot6^
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    • March 14, 2014, 02:46:01 pm
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2014, 12:52:02 pm »
You won't be able to get a D10

To get issued a D10, you previous employer has to notify immigration that you have been fired.

You then have to write and essay explaining how you will be able to support yourself financially while unemployed, as well as state how you will provide yourself with housing etc...

You also have to give them how much savings you have, so you can prove your claim of being able to support all these things.

If you waltz in and tell immigration that you are just sick and need a visa to so you can last till august they will not give you one.
What you put into Korea, is what you will get out of Korea; it will not spoon feed you.


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2014, 01:09:32 pm »
Thank you.  People who don't understand or disagree always shout troll!  Pitiful.  All of you apologists babying the OP are just making him worse.  I knew a friend of a friend that had CANCER, not diahrea, CANCER!  And he missed less than 30 days of work.  Should be ashamed for even asking in my opinion.  Sheesh.  Please come back when you have a real disease, not a hurt tummy.

Well played.

Cheers!  And if you actually read my posts I offered to find an English doctor near where OP lived, but he would rather write about how his CT can't speak English...  So...


  • taeyang
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    • September 08, 2010, 08:35:10 am
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 01:21:04 pm »
let's stay on topic please...

this is not a warning, just a gentle nudge.

OP, i'm sorry for your illness. there does seem to be some advice buried in this thread, so hopefully it'll help until august.
use google to search the site

site:waygook.org XXXX

replace 'XXXX' with your search term


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2014, 02:11:42 pm »
I recently went for eye surgery in Seoul at Asan Medical Center. They have a host of specialists available there and an international clinic with scads of volunteers who speak impeccable English. However, you need a referral to get an appointment there so find a doctor close by to give you one. If you have trouble with being understood, call the translation line (1330). I got my referral through my dermatologist.

Your primary issue will probably be getting appointments in a timely manner.

Asan Medical Center is located in Seoul near Jamsil-ru subway station. I've been up there many times. I live near Daejeon and while it's a trek, it was worth it to get sound medical advice.

URL: http://eng.amc.seoul.kr/
Tel: 82-2-3010-5001
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-- Bernard Baruch (also attributed to Dr. Seuss )

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  • taeyang
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2014, 02:22:25 pm »
please stay on topic.

first warning.
use google to search the site

site:waygook.org XXXX

replace 'XXXX' with your search term


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2014, 02:33:51 pm »
if your school has a problem with your condition, make an appointment with your district coordinator...a face to face meeting in which you explain the whole situation to him / her. may be they'll be able more understandable and have more empathy with the situation that you're currently faced with.


  • DNR0311
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    • October 29, 2012, 09:59:25 am
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2014, 02:40:49 pm »
Hey Op, Sorry about the health thing. I highly recommend you get it treated here. I went to to doc 6 months before Korea and they wanted $800 just for an Xray to find out what it was. That same Xray here cost me $46 and the total for pre-op and surgery and 3 nights in the hospital was around $1000. Seriously, get yourself treated here.

Anyhoo:
"Since I'm angling to ride out the contract if my stupid meatsac (body) let's me I'm tempted to get my flight home for August, the end of the contract.  But if I get canned in the mean time I'll have to bounce and I have no idea if I just lose that other ticker or pay a penalty to change it or what happens.  Anyone know how that works?"

If you mean your ticket, as far as I know you buy your flight home and get reimbursed after.  I've heard people getting the money before buying tickets too but mostly that you buy your ticket first. This way they know you are leaving the country.

"I'm assuming my school wouldn't be able to replace me before the end of August anyway, so maybe they'd let me stay in the apartment if they didn't cancel the visa, only the contract?  Anyone know if public schools are obligated to cancel visas immediately?"

Most definitely not staying in the apartment. When I left school housing, they wanted my key the next day even though no other teacher would be moving in. Once you switch or your contract is terminated you have no right to the schools apartment. Once your contract is up, you have until the date on your ARC (usually its dated one month after your contract ends so that you would have time to re-new it if you were to sign on another year.)

"Would I be able to get on a D-10 if they had to cancel the visa?  Assuming the school would let me stay in the apartment, the 400kW a month rent might be cheaper than dealing with a new ticket?"

If you somehow manage to find a new place to stay, here are your D-10 requirements http://www.saykimchirecruiting.com/d10-visa-requirements/

Lastly, seriously get checked out here with a nice English speaking doctor. If you get canned and you are looking for another job on a D-10 you will want to be sure you can make it through the job interview without having to run to the bathroom. Good luck!
« Last Edit: May 21, 2014, 02:42:45 pm by DNR0311 »


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2014, 02:42:14 pm »
Did you apply through a recruiter or did you get in directly? I'm actually kind of curious how this didn't come up before. You said you've been here for a while and it seems like it's only now a problem. Is this year particularly bad for you or is this the first time that a school hasn't compromised on the amount of time you've been able to take off?


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2014, 02:52:42 pm »
Wow.

Kind of demonstrates what I was talking about vis a vis people responding to a thread they didn't bother to read.  I really wish we could vote up and down on comments/give rep/etc. 

Thank you.  People who don't understand or disagree always shout troll!  Pitiful.  All of you apologists babying the OP are just making him worse.  I knew a friend of a friend that had CANCER, not diahrea, CANCER!  And he missed less than 30 days of work.  Should be ashamed for even asking in my opinion.  Sheesh.  Please come back when you have a real disease, not a hurt tummy.

Well played.

Cheers!  And if you actually read my posts I offered to find an English doctor near where OP lived, but he would rather write about how his CT can't speak English...  So...

You did?  I've read your posts?  Somehow I missed that.  Sure, I'd love your help.  You seem really ready to be helpful.

Seriously, though, I'm out of here in August.  I thought that was clear since I was talking about buying a flight ticket but perhaps it wasn't.  My bad, I suppose...  I'm NOT re-sign, Dr.GenderPotato, which I also thought was obvious, but perhpaps not as I did mention a D10, though if you'd connected the dots I think you would understand that would have been only to keep me here until the flight in August.

Hot6^, thanks for the info on the D10.  That saves me some time.

To everyone that mentioned an actual hospital, like Asan, thanks for the suggestion.  You're trying to be helpful and it's appreciated.  I'm already trying to find something in Busan since it's much closer than Seoul, but options are good to know about.  I've got Korean friends on the case since my coT has dropped the ball on this.

If you've been helpful, thanks.

If you don't bother to read the thread, or the OP, don't post.  FFS, I posted QUESTIONS I was hoping to get answered, and I have and thanks to those of you that helped again, and when I questioned why some people would restate points I'd already made, attack me, or make comments that have NOTHING to do with the OP I'm the bad guy because I made a generalization that a lot of posters on this board do those very things.


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2014, 02:58:09 pm »
Did you apply through a recruiter or did you get in directly? I'm actually kind of curious how this didn't come up before. You said you've been here for a while and it seems like it's only now a problem. Is this year particularly bad for you or is this the first time that a school hasn't compromised on the amount of time you've been able to take off?

Never had this problem before.  It developed while I was here in Korea, and during my third contract year for this school.  If it weren't for the illness and absenteeism my school would want me to stay for another year.

There's no choice for the school as far as 'compromise' you miss 30 days the contract is automatically broken according to the Korean, which is the legal language of the EPIK contract.  The school isn't being nasty.  They're just doing what they have to do. 

I'm just trying to figure out what I can do to mitigate my risk vis a vis buying a ticket home and staying in Korea until the date of the flight.


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2014, 03:03:04 pm »
Maybe you should go home if you are that sick and take care of yourself.  Korea isn't a charity, they need people who can teach.  Seems harsh, but so is life.  If I had an employee that was sick for 24 days I'd fire them.

I think I'm getting some slack cut because the doctors here are shit.  I've been to them all and most don't even speak English, a bad sign in a profession like doctor here in Korea.  Also, my coT can't be bothered to help me, or even actually help me since he's not so good with the English either.

Also, you are harsh, especially because I stated exactly what you said in my OP.  I know it's fucked.  It's a terrible situation and your tempered snark isn't helpful.  If they were so keen on people that can teach I would have a coT that could speak the language he's 'teaching'.  He's riding my coattails for points. (What a fucked up system they have here for teacher pay/advancement.)

Also, going home is another challenge because i'm so lucky I'm American and I would have to find health insurance before I'd be able to find a decent doctor as well.  (What a fucked up system the US has for healthcare.)

Yeah, bitchy response, but so was yours.

 Probably an English doc somewhere.  About your contract, if it says 30 days keep them to it, they really have no grounds to fire you.  Tell the VP that you're staying, come to school and spend the whole time in the can, use 29 days of sick day and then come to work.  You can ride out 3 more months.  Fighting.  Sorry to hear about your condition, it gets annoying to hear about people complaining all day about their easy job, but I understand there are medical situations that happen and you have no control over them.  Keep you chin up and a bathroom close.


Right here buddy.  So much advise and not even a thank you.  Well, you seem like a VERY charming guy and level headed guy from your posts, so I'll still help if you will actually answer the question, and not just post walls and walls of complaints.  I know having diarrhea is a bummer and you're probably aggravated so it's cool, hope you cure whatever is ailing you.


  • iamrhart
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2014, 03:06:11 pm »
Busan has a hospital near Haeunda. It has english speakers there, especially since it is the main hospital (in busan) for Visa Applications.
if you need the information for it, you can check Travel.state.gov or PM me, and i will send you the contact information.

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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2014, 03:14:43 pm »
Wow.

Kind of demonstrates what I was talking about vis a vis people responding to a thread they didn't bother to read.  I really wish we could vote up and down on comments/give rep/etc. 

Thank you.  People who don't understand or disagree always shout troll!  Pitiful.  All of you apologists babying the OP are just making him worse.  I knew a friend of a friend that had CANCER, not diahrea, CANCER!  And he missed less than 30 days of work.  Should be ashamed for even asking in my opinion.  Sheesh.  Please come back when you have a real disease, not a hurt tummy.

Well played.

Cheers!  And if you actually read my posts I offered to find an English doctor near where OP lived, but he would rather write about how his CT can't speak English...  So...

You did?  I've read your posts?  Somehow I missed that.  Sure, I'd love your help.  You seem really ready to be helpful.

Seriously, though, I'm out of here in August.  I thought that was clear since I was talking about buying a flight ticket but perhaps it wasn't.  My bad, I suppose...  I'm NOT re-sign, Dr.GenderPotato, which I also thought was obvious, but perhpaps not as I did mention a D10, though if you'd connected the dots I think you would understand that would have been only to keep me here until the flight in August.

Hot6^, thanks for the info on the D10.  That saves me some time.

To everyone that mentioned an actual hospital, like Asan, thanks for the suggestion.  You're trying to be helpful and it's appreciated.  I'm already trying to find something in Busan since it's much closer than Seoul, but options are good to know about.  I've got Korean friends on the case since my coT has dropped the ball on this.

If you've been helpful, thanks.

If you don't bother to read the thread, or the OP, don't post.  FFS, I posted QUESTIONS I was hoping to get answered, and I have and thanks to those of you that helped again, and when I questioned why some people would restate points I'd already made, attack me, or make comments that have NOTHING to do with the OP I'm the bad guy because I made a generalization that a lot of posters on this board do those very things.

Ironically, I never said you were re-signing. I said that you shouldn't be surprised if you weren't being asked back, which I could not ascertain from your original post. I'm sure you have many charming comments about my reading ability as a result of that last sentence, but there you have it.

Anyways. Good luck with your bum issues.
NOTORIOUS D.G.P.


  • Teemowork
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    • September 13, 2010, 08:21:30 am
    • South Korea
Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2014, 03:15:31 pm »
Wow.

Kind of demonstrates what I was talking about vis a vis people responding to a thread they didn't bother to read.  I really wish we could vote up and down on comments/give rep/etc. 

Thank you.  People who don't understand or disagree always shout troll!  Pitiful.  All of you apologists babying the OP are just making him worse.  I knew a friend of a friend that had CANCER, not diahrea, CANCER!  And he missed less than 30 days of work.  Should be ashamed for even asking in my opinion.  Sheesh.  Please come back when you have a real disease, not a hurt tummy.

Well played.

Cheers!  And if you actually read my posts I offered to find an English doctor near where OP lived, but he would rather write about how his CT can't speak English...  So...

You did?  I've read your posts?  Somehow I missed that.  Sure, I'd love your help.  You seem really ready to be helpful.

Seriously, though, I'm out of here in August.  I thought that was clear since I was talking about buying a flight ticket but perhaps it wasn't.  My bad, I suppose...  I'm NOT re-sign, Dr.GenderPotato, which I also thought was obvious, but perhpaps not as I did mention a D10, though if you'd connected the dots I think you would understand that would have been only to keep me here until the flight in August.

Hot6^, thanks for the info on the D10.  That saves me some time.

To everyone that mentioned an actual hospital, like Asan, thanks for the suggestion.  You're trying to be helpful and it's appreciated.  I'm already trying to find something in Busan since it's much closer than Seoul, but options are good to know about.  I've got Korean friends on the case since my coT has dropped the ball on this.

If you've been helpful, thanks.

If you don't bother to read the thread, or the OP, don't post.  FFS, I posted QUESTIONS I was hoping to get answered, and I have and thanks to those of you that helped again, and when I questioned why some people would restate points I'd already made, attack me, or make comments that have NOTHING to do with the OP I'm the bad guy because I made a generalization that a lot of posters on this board do those very things.

Keep in mind that moderators might delete certain posts at times.  Especially for this thread, I have noticed that some original posts have been quoted but deleted from the thread because it wasnt written in more "kind" wording.

So, just as a note, some info MAY have been there, but could have been deleted before you got an updated look.  So that COULD be a reason why information could be missing.  Personally, I think that the post should edited and maybe use [brackets] to indicate which parts are inappropriate, kinda like censorship.  but keep the post spacing there so people can see the parts that still might be useful.

Anyways, it seems many have suggested seeing a doctor asap and has provided info for it.  Have you already checked out some of the websites or tried a few calls for the ones suggested?  Doctor offices seldom open late, so its best to call before the evening.  Any health problem that doesnt settle within a few days should definitely be checked out, just to be sure.  You could try to keep a log of what kinds of things you have been eating for each meal, just to keep an accurate log of any changes in diet that might be affecting your health.  It might be good information for your doctor too, once you see one that is.


Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2014, 03:19:55 pm »
Did you apply through a recruiter or did you get in directly? I'm actually kind of curious how this didn't come up before. You said you've been here for a while and it seems like it's only now a problem. Is this year particularly bad for you or is this the first time that a school hasn't compromised on the amount of time you've been able to take off?

Never had this problem before.  It developed while I was here in Korea, and during my third contract year for this school.  If it weren't for the illness and absenteeism my school would want me to stay for another year.

There's no choice for the school as far as 'compromise' you miss 30 days the contract is automatically broken according to the Korean, which is the legal language of the EPIK contract.  The school isn't being nasty.  They're just doing what they have to do. 

I'm just trying to figure out what I can do to mitigate my risk vis a vis buying a ticket home and staying in Korea until the date of the flight.

I just assumed there was a compromise somewhere since it wasn't entirely clear how long you've had the issue. Not faulting you or the school for the situation.

Anyway, I'm sure you've realized that the math of the situation isn't in your favour. You've used 24 days in a few months and have 3 months to go. You can go the brute force option and risk having whatever you fear happening actually coming to pass just to prove that your situation is legitimate. Or you could spend a weekend going to a city to find a real doctor and getting a note that says your situation is legit. Otherwise I think your best option might be to quit. Quitting for temporary medical reasons sounds better than failing to complete a contract.


  • nadinea
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    • March 05, 2014, 08:16:52 pm
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Re: Fired for sick days.
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2014, 03:22:27 pm »
I would suggest that in regards to buying the ticket you purchase one with a date you can change or insurance (I don't know if insurance would cover "have to leave immediately due to job loss") both are option you should discuss with the airline before purchasing the ticket.  Either way it will cost a bit more but less then buying a none refundable ticket then having to buy another one.

I can't imagine that it would cost more than 800 000-1 200 000 won (the cost of housing for 2-3 months) for a refundable ticket but again discussing it with an airline will give you the best information.

As to doctors-I don't know.

If you can, drag yourself into work and stay in the washroom.  They can't say you've taken a sick day if you are there.  Even if you are ineffectual it's still better than losing the contract and will give you more time to find medical attention here instead of in the USA (that seemed to be something you were concerned about).

Are you still eating as you normal would even with the GI issues?  if so you may be aggravating the problem.  You can try this to help reduce the issue until you can see a doctor  http://www.diet.com/g/diarrhea-diet

I AM NOT A DOCTOR! this is just a suggestion which you can take or leave.

Hope things work out.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2014, 03:28:10 pm by nadinea »