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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #620 on: June 21, 2018, 05:09:06 am »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oovykql-f3o

Some people changed their mind after watching the video.

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This is shocking for me as a korean 😂 I really thought that China is the most problem but I guess the media have concentrated on blaming China.


Some didn't.

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Frankly, 90 percent of fine dust comes from China. The S.Korean press is very generous with China. NASA and Greenpeace are definitely wrong.

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OMG!!! Asian boss, this channel is a terribly ridiculous channel.
China is to cause all sorts of air pollution, factories and coal-fired electrical power plants, waste incineration plant operating by in the East Sea coastal areas. Because the atmospheric flow of the area is in the opposite direction to mainland China. Does it make any sense that the sand in the Gobi Desert also moves in the direction of the wind, but fine dust and pollutants doesn't come over according to the wind direction?? I've never seen such a satan as you. You are not qualified to talk about Asia. Your nationality is not Asia, right?
Don't pretend, please define yourself and make a video.
A guy like you is really disgusting.


  • raysmith
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    • August 16, 2012, 07:01:58 am
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #621 on: July 01, 2018, 07:11:02 am »
Part of 29 June 2018 CNN article.

"In 2016 alone, the study found that air pollution contributed to 3.2 million new diabetes cases --14% of the total -- around the world. In the United States, air pollution was linked to 150,000 new cases of diabetes per year.

"There's an undeniable relationship between diabetes and and particle air pollution levels well below the current safe standards," said senior study author Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, an assistant professor of medicine at Washington University. "Many industry lobbying groups argue that current levels are too stringent and should be relaxed. Evidence shows that current levels are still not sufficiently safe and need to be tightened.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/29/health/air-pollution-diabetes-study/index.html
« Last Edit: July 01, 2018, 07:35:51 am by raysmith »


  • L I
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #622 on: July 01, 2018, 10:43:50 am »
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The Seoul Metropolitan Government revealed yesterday that it had paved sections of the city’s roads in Gangnam with a photocatalytic substance that will help filter nitrogen oxide, one of the harmful components of fine dust.
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The photocatalytic substance applied to the pavement uses sunlight to break down particles such as nitrogen oxide, helping to filter the air.
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A city official said that he expects road-based fine dust to decrease thanks to the technology that helps break down nitrogen oxide, a noxious substance found in car emissions.

http://koreabizwire.com/photocatalytic-substance-applied-to-pavement-to-fight-fine-dust/120707


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #623 on: July 02, 2018, 12:54:54 pm »
They used income as a proxy to determine the carbon footprint. In the same way they could say that Seoul is one of the richest cities in the World. (Combined income or assets by its population)

Huh? Where are you getting that? Tokyo has both more people and more riches than Seoul but a smaller carbon footprint.

"One of the key drivers behind the model is the by-now widely accepted paradigm that income is a strong predictor of carbon footprint.

If you think about it, it makes sense: the more disposable income you have, the more likely you are to purchase goods, or fly to a far-away country, or drive a fancy car. So they used income as a proxy for carbon footprint intensity. It’s not a perfect proxy – some of the world’s ultra-rich live in relative modesty – but as a general rule it’s shown to hold up.

They also used national statistics on the composition of urban versus rural spending patterns, regional purchasing power data from a private market intelligence firm, and a population map.

The result is a global model that predicts the purchasing power, population, and purchasing patterns for every grid cell worldwide. "

https://geminiresearchnews.com/2018/05/new-study-estimates-carbon-footprints-13000-cities/

I can only guess why Tokyo didn't come out higher on that list. For one, there are way less vehicles per capita in Tokyo than in Seoul. Not only that but Korea has a very high share of diesel vehicles whereas Japan doesn't.
Tokyo's average living space per person is also lower than in Seoul although the difference may not be that big.
And finally the fact that Japan's energy generation is somewhat "greener" compared to Korea. Think about all the coal power plants.

Sounds like a scam by the globalists to keep people poor and dependent.


  • kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #624 on: July 02, 2018, 01:27:26 pm »
They used income as a proxy to determine the carbon footprint. In the same way they could say that Seoul is one of the richest cities in the World. (Combined income or assets by its population)

Huh? Where are you getting that? Tokyo has both more people and more riches than Seoul but a smaller carbon footprint.

"One of the key drivers behind the model is the by-now widely accepted paradigm that income is a strong predictor of carbon footprint.

If you think about it, it makes sense: the more disposable income you have, the more likely you are to purchase goods, or fly to a far-away country, or drive a fancy car. So they used income as a proxy for carbon footprint intensity. It’s not a perfect proxy – some of the world’s ultra-rich live in relative modesty – but as a general rule it’s shown to hold up.

They also used national statistics on the composition of urban versus rural spending patterns, regional purchasing power data from a private market intelligence firm, and a population map.

The result is a global model that predicts the purchasing power, population, and purchasing patterns for every grid cell worldwide. "

https://geminiresearchnews.com/2018/05/new-study-estimates-carbon-footprints-13000-cities/

I can only guess why Tokyo didn't come out higher on that list. For one, there are way less vehicles per capita in Tokyo than in Seoul. Not only that but Korea has a very high share of diesel vehicles whereas Japan doesn't.
Tokyo's average living space per person is also lower than in Seoul although the difference may not be that big.
And finally the fact that Japan's energy generation is somewhat "greener" compared to Korea. Think about all the coal power plants.
Sounds like a scam by the globalists to keep people poor and dependent.
What's the nefarious, proletariat oppressing scheme here, exactly?
That Japan is greener than Korea?
That diesel is dirty?
That carbon footprints are predicated by income?
« Last Edit: July 02, 2018, 01:40:11 pm by kyndo »


  • hangook77
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #625 on: July 02, 2018, 02:53:12 pm »
They used income as a proxy to determine the carbon footprint. In the same way they could say that Seoul is one of the richest cities in the World. (Combined income or assets by its population)

Huh? Where are you getting that? Tokyo has both more people and more riches than Seoul but a smaller carbon footprint.

"One of the key drivers behind the model is the by-now widely accepted paradigm that income is a strong predictor of carbon footprint.

If you think about it, it makes sense: the more disposable income you have, the more likely you are to purchase goods, or fly to a far-away country, or drive a fancy car. So they used income as a proxy for carbon footprint intensity. It’s not a perfect proxy – some of the world’s ultra-rich live in relative modesty – but as a general rule it’s shown to hold up.

They also used national statistics on the composition of urban versus rural spending patterns, regional purchasing power data from a private market intelligence firm, and a population map.

The result is a global model that predicts the purchasing power, population, and purchasing patterns for every grid cell worldwide. "

https://geminiresearchnews.com/2018/05/new-study-estimates-carbon-footprints-13000-cities/

I can only guess why Tokyo didn't come out higher on that list. For one, there are way less vehicles per capita in Tokyo than in Seoul. Not only that but Korea has a very high share of diesel vehicles whereas Japan doesn't.
Tokyo's average living space per person is also lower than in Seoul although the difference may not be that big.
And finally the fact that Japan's energy generation is somewhat "greener" compared to Korea. Think about all the coal power plants.
Sounds like a scam by the globalists to keep people poor and dependent.
What's the nefarious, proletariat oppressing scheme here, exactly?
That Japan is greener than Korea?
That diesel is dirty?
That carbon footprints are predicated by income?

That the average Japanese is poorer than they have ever been during the past 25 years and have not recovered from their slump.  It has an economic price.  Also, other countries under this global scam are allowed to pollute.  It's a scam meant to redistribute and make everyone equally poor and that's it.  It's also why a good chunk of the rust belt was deindustrialized putting tons of people out of work.  It's what the elites want, so they will be poorer and dependent on government.


  • kyndo
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #626 on: July 02, 2018, 03:24:37 pm »
That the average Japanese is poorer than they have ever been during the past 25 years and have not recovered from their slump.  It has an economic price.  Also, other countries under this global scam are allowed to pollute.  It's a scam meant to redistribute and make everyone equally poor and that's it.  It's also why a good chunk of the rust belt was deindustrialized putting tons of people out of work.  It's what the elites want, so they will be poorer and dependent on government.
I wasn't being snarky: I was honestly unsure what you meant.

I assume you mean the Kyoto accord and carbon capping/trading?
A lot of people are unhappy about it. The problem is, the only kind of agreements that one can actually get countries to sign to are inevitably going to be pretty useless. Politicians think only of the very short term (as in, their term).

   Serious environmental/economic adjustments are only going to be made when serious environmental collapses force people to. Hopefully technology can continue to push that day back further and further into the future.  :sad:


  • L I
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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #627 on: July 02, 2018, 07:03:50 pm »
Politicians think only of the very short term (as in, their term).

Serious environmental/economic adjustments are only going to be made when serious environmental collapses force people to.

Not true. There are good and caring politicians (backed by good and caring voters) who work for preventative measures to protect the environment in the future. For example, Obama did a lot to clean the air / ensure it would be good. 


  • kyndo
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Re: RAir pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #628 on: July 02, 2018, 09:31:14 pm »
Politicians think only of the very short term (as in, their term).

Serious environmental/economic adjustments are only going to be made when serious environmental collapses force people to.

Not true. There are good and caring politicians (backed by good and caring voters) who work for preventative measures to protect the environment in the future. For example, Obama did a lot to clean the air / ensure it would be good.
    Forward thinking politicians who sacrifice political capital to genuinely make their country a better place are, sadly, part of a tiny, tiny minority.  :sad:

Modern day democracy is a system that essentially favours borderline sociopaths. Politicians will say and do (or say and not do) nearly anything in order to put their party into power. By the time they're actually able to change things according to do unpopular things that will benefit future generations, their terms are over and the whole sordid mess of choosing the prettiest face / best liar / most popular person starts again from the  beginning.

  I'm no proponent for monachies, theocracies, psychopathic dictatorships etc (despite what my own personal country looks like in Nationstates), but one thing those systems have going for them is that it's much easier to implement decisions that would be very unpopular in the short term (like basically anything that doesn't favour immediate economic gain).


  • L I
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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #629 on: August 28, 2018, 05:03:43 pm »
That the average Japanese is poorer than they have ever been during the past 25 years and have not recovered from their slump.  It has an economic price.

Japan is extremely wealthy. There are only eight countries with a higher gdp than Tokyo alone. Meaning it's possible to have clean air AND be prosperous. The United States is one example of this. World's richest country since 1871 and the most successful economy in human history. With air far cleaner than the global average.


  • hangook77
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #630 on: August 29, 2018, 11:17:15 am »
That the average Japanese is poorer than they have ever been during the past 25 years and have not recovered from their slump.  It has an economic price.

Japan is extremely wealthy. There are only eight countries with a higher gdp than Tokyo alone. Meaning it's possible to have clean air AND be prosperous. The United States is one example of this. World's richest country since 1871 and the most successful economy in human history. With air far cleaner than the global average.

The government and the conglomerates are wealthy.  The people are actually quite poor and Japan itself is ridiculously expensive.  Government over regulation and large over sized government sanctioned monopolies make it hard for regular folks and for new start ups to get ahead.  Look at median income per person and what it is using the  ppp formula. 


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: RAir pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #631 on: August 29, 2018, 11:18:37 am »
Politicians think only of the very short term (as in, their term).

Serious environmental/economic adjustments are only going to be made when serious environmental collapses force people to.

Not true. There are good and caring politicians (backed by good and caring voters) who work for preventative measures to protect the environment in the future. For example, Obama did a lot to clean the air / ensure it would be good.
    Forward thinking politicians who sacrifice political capital to genuinely make their country a better place are, sadly, part of a tiny, tiny minority.  :sad:

Modern day democracy is a system that essentially favours borderline sociopaths. Politicians will say and do (or say and not do) nearly anything in order to put their party into power. By the time they're actually able to change things according to do unpopular things that will benefit future generations, their terms are over and the whole sordid mess of choosing the prettiest face / best liar / most popular person starts again from the  beginning.

  I'm no proponent for monachies, theocracies, psychopathic dictatorships etc (despite what my own personal country looks like in Nationstates), but one thing those systems have going for them is that it's much easier to implement decisions that would be very unpopular in the short term (like basically anything that doesn't favour immediate economic gain).

Exactly, it's why so many voted Trump in 2016.  Enough of the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Obamas and the lies of the elites. 


Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #632 on: August 29, 2018, 12:51:55 pm »
Japan peaked in the 1980s and never, ever recovered. And in all probability never, ever will. Demographics affect everything and Japan's economy will deteriorate. Do you think a wise businessman would be thinking of opening up an EFL cram school in rural Japan?

Fewer people means less need for housing, education, parking spots etc ad infinitum. Maybe you could make money producing adult diapers - maybe.

Japan is done. They'll need to open their borders to foreigners soon enough and Japan will lose its "Japaneseness" 


  • zola
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    • September 30, 2012, 06:56:11 am
    • Korea
Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #633 on: August 29, 2018, 01:58:41 pm »
Japan peaked in the 1980s and never, ever recovered. And in all probability never, ever will. Demographics affect everything and Japan's economy will deteriorate. Do you think a wise businessman would be thinking of opening up an EFL cram school in rural Japan?

Fewer people means less need for housing, education, parking spots etc ad infinitum. Maybe you could make money producing adult diapers - maybe.

Japan is done. They'll need to open their borders to foreigners soon enough and Japan will lose its "Japaneseness"

Japan’s recovery is the greatest economic success story never told
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/04/japan-is-the-greatest-economic-success-story-never-told/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f7311ee16982
Kpip! - Martin 2018


  • kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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Re: RAir pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #634 on: August 29, 2018, 03:14:06 pm »
Exactly, it's why so many voted Trump in 2016.  Enough of the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Obamas and the lies of the elites.
     Considering the choices people were faced with in the 2016 American elections, I'm surprised that A) anybody voted at all, and B) there wasn't a massive uptick in the national suicide rate.  :smiley:

   




  • L I
  • The Legend

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
    • Seoul
Re: RAir pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #636 on: August 29, 2018, 08:36:03 pm »
Exactly, it's why so many voted Trump in 2016.  Enough of the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Obamas and the lies of the elites.

Look at this: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/04/11/worlds-most-admired-2018/

The only country where Trump is more popular than Obama is... Russia. 


  • L I
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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #637 on: September 02, 2018, 01:54:00 am »


  • hangook77
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Re: RAir pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #638 on: September 07, 2018, 02:08:05 pm »
Exactly, it's why so many voted Trump in 2016.  Enough of the Clintons, the Bushes, and the Obamas and the lies of the elites.

Look at this: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/04/11/worlds-most-admired-2018/

The only country where Trump is more popular than Obama is... Russia.

Yeah, well, Trump won where it counted didn't he?


  • hangook77
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #639 on: September 07, 2018, 02:12:58 pm »
Japan peaked in the 1980s and never, ever recovered. And in all probability never, ever will. Demographics affect everything and Japan's economy will deteriorate. Do you think a wise businessman would be thinking of opening up an EFL cram school in rural Japan?

Fewer people means less need for housing, education, parking spots etc ad infinitum. Maybe you could make money producing adult diapers - maybe.

Japan is done. They'll need to open their borders to foreigners soon enough and Japan will lose its "Japaneseness"

Japan’s recovery is the greatest economic success story never told
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/04/japan-is-the-greatest-economic-success-story-never-told/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f7311ee16982

Recovery for the large companies?  The median income in Japan in relation to the cost of living I am imagining being not nearly as rosy.  It's gdp over 20 years ago was 5 trillion US dollars while the US was 8 trillion.  Pretty impressive.  Now the US is 20 trillion and Japan is over 4 trillion?  I would like to see median per capita income using the PPP formula.