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  • maximmm
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #240 on: May 04, 2017, 02:27:46 pm »
Remember, kids, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger  :angel:


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  • The Legend

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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #241 on: May 04, 2017, 02:57:31 pm »
...but maybe it will kill you.  :cry:

Air pollution responsible for one in every eight deaths worldwide
https://mg.co.za/article/2016-05-13-air-pollution-responsible-for-one-in-every-eight-deaths-worldwide-1


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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #242 on: May 04, 2017, 03:00:07 pm »
"Currently, 98% of large cities (with populations over 100 000) in low and middle-income countries have unhealthy air quality, according to new WHO data, as do 44% of high-income cities - including major European cities."


Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #243 on: May 04, 2017, 09:53:19 pm »
Global warming changed the weather patterns?

More pollutants coming from China and Mongolia compared to years past?

People in China used to commute by riding bicycles. I wonder how similar it was in Korea in the past. People walking or biking to work rather than driving.

More electricty is used in Korea now compared to in the past. AC uses more than fans. (Perhaps an AC company started the 'fan death' rumor to sell more units?) Even air purifiers use a lot of electricity which in turn requires the burning of more coal.

Perhaps in the past the air pollution was more scattered / concentrated, whereas now it covers the entire peninsula, the west coast regions in particular?

When Korea was a developing country, it had a lot of factories with no pollution controls.  You couldn't drink the water.  Garbage was dumped where ever, raw sewage flowed into rivers.  Yes, you can argue about now, but Korea has come a long way.  Water is drinkable from the tap minus the chlorine taste.  Sewage is treated.  People might still throw trash around a bit, but nothing compared to the past.  Industrial waste is no longer dumped where ever.  People in Korea didn't drive as much, but there were factories galore with no pollution controls.  There were ships, trucks, etc spitting out diesel. Factories still may pollute more than North America, but have at least some controls compared to the past.  Also, some of them have been sent to other countries.  Google any pics of Korea from the past.  Not a very clean place.  At least now, they plant trees, etc.  Korean pollution had been down compared to the past.  It may be rising again with more coal plants, but the bulk of the crap comes from China.  When the winds change direction or the temps cool off, notice how much the air quality improves.  Then, you only have local pollution.  Add the Korean stuff to China's crap and you have the clusterf@k of conditions we've have lately. 




Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #244 on: May 05, 2017, 10:58:13 am »
Is it decent?

NYC: 15
http://aqicn.org/city/newyork

Seoul: 109
http://aqicn.org/city/seoul/

Seoul is always at least quadruple New York City every time I check.

In fact, everywhere in Korea (even the countryside) is at least double what it is inside America's biggest city.

http://aqicn.org/map/southkorea

That is great except we are English teachers in Asia and the big tefl markets are here.

I'm currently in Taiwan (which would be considered a developed country/province) and even here aqi levels are above Korea.

Among its Asia peers Korea has relatively clean air. Absolutely no doubt about that.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • August 25, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #245 on: May 05, 2017, 11:20:12 am »
china broke the aqicn website. some places showing 999!


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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #246 on: May 05, 2017, 11:40:07 am »


  • maximmm
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • September 05, 2013, 11:02:44 am
Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #247 on: May 05, 2017, 12:00:38 pm »


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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #249 on: May 05, 2017, 05:33:11 pm »
Wear a mask, many do.


Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #250 on: May 05, 2017, 11:05:59 pm »
The skies of Seoul are expected to be drenched in a glorious Kloud of OB as of 6am tomorrow and the worst of it is supposed to last well into Sunday. Buy a mask. Don't go outside if you can avoid it.

Also, earthquake in Gurae FIRST
« Last Edit: May 06, 2017, 04:56:25 pm by donovan »


Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #251 on: May 06, 2017, 06:08:24 am »
The skies of Seoul are expected to be drenched in a glorious cloud of OB as of 6am tomorrow and the worst of it is supposed to last well into Sunday. Buy a mask. Don't go outside if you can avoid it.

Also, earthquake in Gurae FIRST

Of course it is.  Whenever there are days off or holidays nowadays, the air quality or weather or whatever has to go to shit.  Up yours China!!!


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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #253 on: May 06, 2017, 02:23:12 pm »
That is great except we are English teachers in Asia and the big tefl markets are here.

I'm currently in Taiwan (which would be considered a developed country/province) and even here aqi levels are above Korea.

Among its Asia peers Korea has relatively clean air. Absolutely no doubt about that.

https://airvisual.com/south-korea

https://airvisual.com/taiwan

https://airvisual.com/japan


  • maximmm
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #254 on: May 06, 2017, 02:55:56 pm »


  • saram_
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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #255 on: May 06, 2017, 04:26:07 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfbVua7ZUm8

It doesn't seem that bad.

The news station said to ignore the blue sky when considering going out for activity etc..
It is bad.

A question for the experts..

There are 2 measurements of fine particles of dust.
2.5 AQI (very fine particle reading) and 10 AQI (fine particle) basically.

What I had heard is that 2.5 AQI is more dangerous as it can enter the body more easily and it displays a much higher reading here normally than 10 AQI.

China and India only calculate 10 AQI for example and people say this is not as accurate.
In Korea too 10 AQI is measured more than 2.5 AQI it seems.


This time however the readings of the 2.5 and 10 AQI are reversed.
The 10 AQI is about double the 2.5 AQI..   114 to 65 atm where I am here in Seoul.

This suggests the particles are much thicker than normal (It really is a sandstorm) but does it mean the particles may not be as dangerous as the 2.5 AQI particles then if the reverse is true??
« Last Edit: May 06, 2017, 04:33:26 pm by saram_ »


Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #256 on: May 06, 2017, 04:55:28 pm »
It doesn't seem that bad.

Yeah, it's certainly not as bad as I thought it would be, and nothing near the levels that Beijing saw, but they're still pretty high by any other standard, and despite the skies being fairly blue, take a look at any car parked on the street and you'll see a fine coating of what's floating around in the air today.

A question for the experts..
This suggests the particles are much thicker than normal (It really is a sandstorm) but does it mean the particles may not be as dangerous as the 2.5 AQI particles then if the reverse is true??

I also noticed that the larger PM10 particles are more numerous now than the smaller PM2.5 particules in readings when the reverse usually rings true, and I had the same thought: do the larger particles pose their own particular set of health risks, despite not being able to enter the blood stream? I'm far phlegmier now than I ever feel when the PM2.5 particle levels are elevated.



Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #257 on: May 06, 2017, 06:27:54 pm »
PM 2.5 are more dangerous than the larger pm 10 particles. Larger particles can be coughed out of your system the smaller ones penetrate deep inside.

Here is the relevant section of "under the dome" which I recommend watching in its entirety.

https://youtu.be/oVGwXqjzYoE


Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #258 on: May 07, 2017, 11:49:51 am »
Even down on the southern coast.  F@k yourself China.  Bunch of a holes.  Thanks for ruining our holidays so we couldnt go outside much.  Bunch of pricks!!!


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Re: Air pollution - bad enough to leave Korea?
« Reply #259 on: May 07, 2017, 02:05:54 pm »
This site shows Yeosu at 219:
https://airvisual.com/south-korea
You're there on vacation now?