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Getting a job at a university
« on: March 07, 2012, 07:40:37 am »
I was told by a friend of mine with connections that my GEPIK school could not renew my contract in August even if they wanted to due to the budget cuts. There is no funding. I could be recommended to another GEPIK school, but I'm trying to be proactive.

I would like to get a job at a university. I have the credentials, I think: MA in Linguistics with a TEFL focus, BA in Eng, and will have 1 year of experience in a Korean public school and a summer's worth of experience at an American ESL program. I am currently in Korea and am not planning on leaving. I'm on a permanent residency f-4 visa (half-gyopo).

I'm just not sure how to go about finding and applying for jobs... Should I just hit the pavement? I live in Suwon so there are quite a few universities here I am interested in. I check job postings but they are really few and far between, and sometimes require 2 year experience at a university.

Any advice?


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 07:51:15 am »
With your credentials you should have no problem getting a uni job.  Plus having a permanent visa helps a lot because you'd have less paperwork. 

You can always keep checking Dave's ESL for uni postings but yes, they're not posted frequently as the jobs are more word of mouth than anything.  Check out some of the smaller universities in the other provinces.  Work there a year or two and you'll get your uni experience, unless you absolutely want to stay in Suwon.

Best of Luck. 


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 09:53:52 am »
I would like to stay in Suwon if possible. There are a few universities here, but I just have no idea how to approach them?

Do I just don a suit, walk into the English department like a boss and just slap my resume down on the secretary's desk?

Or do I like try to send out mass resume emails that I hope are to their English school?

Post resumes on ESL sites and hope for a bite?

Do they make job postings somewhere other than daves?


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 10:12:44 am »
Almost all of the people that I know working uni jobs got them through friends. If a mate working at a uni were to recommend you then it would be at least a guaranteed interview. A good "foot in the door" technique is to do a Summer/Winter camp at the uni. Work your butt off, be friendly and see if the full-timers will recommend you as "the best" of the Summer teachers. Immediate availability is also a plus. Your F4 visa is also a plus. You're in with a great chance. I'd say do some socialising with the uni crowd. Find out where they hang and "bump into" them.
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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 10:53:07 am »
My mate worked at a Uni for 3 years.. ended up on 3.6 million per month  :o


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 12:57:56 pm »
Almost all of the people that I know working uni jobs got them through friends. If a mate working at a uni were to recommend you then it would be at least a guaranteed interview. A good "foot in the door" technique is to do a Summer/Winter camp at the uni. Work your butt off, be friendly and see if the full-timers will recommend you as "the best" of the Summer teachers. Immediate availability is also a plus. Your F4 visa is also a plus. You're in with a great chance. I'd say do some socialising with the uni crowd. Find out where they hang and "bump into" them.

I'm not great at networking but looks like I have to learn  ??? The only connection I have to a university right now is a friend of a friend, so hopefully I can build up from there. Maybe I can meet folks at KOTESOL conferences or something.

I was thinking about one of those Summer/Winter camps too, but they don't work well with my current contract


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 01:25:57 pm »
Almost all of the people that I know working uni jobs got them through friends. If a mate working at a uni were to recommend you then it would be at least a guaranteed interview. A good "foot in the door" technique is to do a Summer/Winter camp at the uni. Work your butt off, be friendly and see if the full-timers will recommend you as "the best" of the Summer teachers. Immediate availability is also a plus. Your F4 visa is also a plus. You're in with a great chance. I'd say do some socialising with the uni crowd. Find out where they hang and "bump into" them.

I'm not great at networking but looks like I have to learn  ??? The only connection I have to a university right now is a friend of a friend, so hopefully I can build up from there. Maybe I can meet folks at KOTESOL conferences or something.

I was thinking about one of those Summer/Winter camps too, but they don't work well with my current contract

Yeah, everybody who works at a university will have people hitting them up for a job at some point. "Put in a good word for me, yeah. I'm in it for the long haul!" People who have worked at unis for a while will probably see you coming a mile off. That's the way to do it though. Just take a hagwon job in the meantime that you can drop at a moment's notice and get schmoozing the uni crowd. Perhaps others have advice about different ways to go about it but, like I said, most people I know who work at unis got their jobs after a recommendation from someone they know. Sometimes you can luck out by firing off loads of applications but then you will likely have to be prepared to leave Suwon.
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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 01:30:45 pm »
One poster on this site msg'd me about her school problems.

We later spoke on the phone and then Skype.

I asked if she wanted a uni job.  She said yes.  I made 1 phone call.

2 days later she had her interview and was offered a position.

I did it because I felt she was worth it.

MC


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 02:02:02 pm »
Now see... that's just cool of you MC!
/cheers


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2012, 03:42:31 pm »
Remember there are some truly awful university jobs. Some are great, but others are 'unigwons' - basically hogwans on a university campus whose purpose is to bring in extra cash for the university. (The 'foreign language training center' at Hankuk University is perhaps the best known of these.) They are to be avoided at all costs, as they can be a significant step down from a public school. Other uni jobs can be great - but they are not all born equal. Do your research and make sure you weed out the unigwons.


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2012, 04:05:27 pm »
You might need to start at a smaller university and then build a name and experience. 


Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2012, 09:30:01 pm »
a lot of univs. advertise on their web sites so check there. For the fall you will start seeing ads in the next few weeks

Also if you're going to walk in and drop off a CV at least look the part. Today between classes a foreigner walks up to me and asks where he can drop off his CV. He was wearing jeans, a grungy shirt and smelled. Told him to check when the univ. website but really wanted to tell him to first clean up. He could have been the best teacher in the history of teaching but I would have tossed the CV in the trash based on what I saw


Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2012, 11:25:21 pm »
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why u want to work in a korean uni making 2.3-2.6 million won when you can work in a Arab gulf uni making 3000-5000 usa dollars a month

9-12 hours a week plus 5 months vacation. If your university is flexible you can do extra work during term time plus intensive courses during the holidays, easily bringing your salary up to 5,000 us dollars a month. I don't work for a university but I know a few people who do and they are doing OK. Plus they live in a non muslim, comparatively liberal environment.


Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2012, 05:16:25 pm »
I just wrote an article about this topic:

7 Ways to Get a Korean University Job
http://www.unijobskorea.com/2012/04/20/7-ways-get-university-job-korea/

There are over 300 universities in Korea:
http://www.unijobskorea.com/korean-uni-list-2/

Many universities have 30 or more foreign English teachers on staff. There are plenty of jobs out there but they won't fall in your hands from a recruiter. You have to do the work.

You can also find university job postings on my site here:
http://www.unijobskorea.com/

Good luck!
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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2012, 07:05:13 pm »
I just wrote an article about this topic:

7 Ways to Get a Korean University Job
http://www.unijobskorea.com/2012/04/20/7-ways-get-university-job-korea/

There are over 300 universities in Korea:
http://www.unijobskorea.com/korean-uni-list-2/

Many universities have 30 or more foreign English teachers on staff. There are plenty of jobs out there but they won't fall in your hands from a recruiter. You have to do the work.

You can also find university job postings on my site here:
http://www.unijobskorea.com/

Good luck!

So I'm guessing you're tryingto establish yourself as a middleman or recruiter enticing people to use your site to find a university position?

This site already has that option.

MC


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2012, 07:05:57 am »
Almost all of the people that I know working uni jobs got them through friends. If a mate working at a uni were to recommend you then it would be at least a guaranteed interview. A good "foot in the door" technique is to do a Summer/Winter camp at the uni. Work your butt off, be friendly and see if the full-timers will recommend you as "the best" of the Summer teachers. Immediate availability is also a plus. Your F4 visa is also a plus. You're in with a great chance. I'd say do some socialising with the uni crowd. Find out where they hang and "bump into" them.

I'd be hestitant to recommend someone as well as to ask someone to recommend me. Sure, I'll tell people that my uni is looking, but I'm not going to personally recommend anyone to the hiring committee. While my friends are great teachers, if anything bad happened it would fall back on me. LIkewise, I wouldn't put anyone in an awkward situation of having to recommend me. Those of you who have been in KOrea for a while know that being a good teacher doesn't mean much. If you wear the wrong coloured shoes, suddenly you're a bad teacher and if you recommended that "bad" teacher, do you think you'll get renewed?

All the people I work with got the job based on their merits. While networking will let you know about jobs, at least at my uni, it won't get you the job. Perhaps if you know the KOrean admin, yes, it could get you the job, but the foreigners really don't have that much clout as far as hiring goes.

As far as Gulf countries, look at the adverts, days of making 5K usd are gone, or at least, they're not advertised. Jobs in Saudi are around 3K and I've heard students there are really hard to teach. I don't know about extra work there either. Unis in KOrea tend to have camps or overtime. I can make an extra 50% that way.
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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2012, 08:04:10 am »
I would suggest checking out Ajou and Kyunghee University. They have job postings on their website and your qualifications could land you a big chunk of change. They won't hire anyone without a masters. Also, at Ajou they upgraded the pay grade and status of their teachers. They teach between 12-16 hours per week. They offer housing assistance and good benefits with long vacations. I have a friend working there if you need some help doing it. Otherwise, I also have a friend working at Korea University in Seoul and he is always asking me to apply or if I have friends. Let me know if you'd be interested in that one too. But stay away from Suwon University. The teachers are in and out. Although they have five openings right now, it's not worth the time submitting your resume for a terrible job. If you have the ability to put down your security deposit I would also suggest taking a look at Suwon Science College. No flights and no housing but teaching 14 hours a week so you could do some additional work on the side. The pay is a little lower but since you have an MA you might be able to get higher pay than the guy I know working there. He really enjoys his job~ If you have any questions, send me a PM and I'll do my best to help you out.
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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2012, 09:07:23 am »
I'm looking at Ajou as well. I've heard it's 3 mil with 85 for key money. Sungkyunkwan is also good, but changes in admin are taking place, so you never know. Kyunghee is supposed to be similar from what I gather.
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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2012, 09:45:27 am »
This may also help. A friend of mine put together this website to help people find University jobs. http://www.unijobskorea.com/


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Re: Getting a job at a university
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2012, 10:31:28 am »
The site kind of helps. But the 333 list of unis doesn't help much. I mean, are they good or bad unis? What's the pay like? reputation? vacation? overtime? reqs? etc? You can easily find a list of unis on Wikipedia.

I think Joe Seoul Man's list is better.
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