Korea's birthrate problem...solved.

This is a fascinating, and recent, article detailing the issues at hand with the problematic birth rate in S. Korea. It's much more multi-layered than I thought.

Poignant: "[The Korean government] successfully achieved some of the fastest economic growth in human history and the price has been that there isn't a next generation to inherit it," Stone said.


https://www.npr.org/2023/03/19/1163341684/south-korea-fertility-rate

This is a fascinating, and recent, article detailing the issues at hand with the problematic birth rate in S. Korea. It's much more multi-layered than I thought.

Poignant: "[The Korean government] successfully achieved some of the fastest economic growth in human history and the price has been that there isn't a next generation to inherit it," Stone said.


https://www.npr.org/2023/03/19/1163341684/south-korea-fertility-rate

Yes that was a good read, thanks for sharing. I found this quote pretty snappy: '"[The Korean government] successfully discouraged nonmarital fertility, but they've also very successfully discouraged marriage," Stone said.

This is a fascinating, and recent, article detailing the issues at hand with the problematic birth rate in S. Korea. It's much more multi-layered than I thought.

Poignant: "[The Korean government] successfully achieved some of the fastest economic growth in human history and the price has been that there isn't a next generation to inherit it," Stone said.


https://www.npr.org/2023/03/19/1163341684/south-korea-fertility-rate

Good article. I believe my three-pronged approach addresses all of these issues.

For example, in the article:

"I'll have kids once I have my own place," according to Jessica Ryu, a 27-year-old
Korean citizen who is pursuing a postdoctoral degree in communications in the U.S.

I addressed this circumstance with extremely generous, zero-down, zero-interest,
automatic mortgages.

Also, in the article:

The entrenched patriarchy has set expectations for women to bear the brunt of
child rearing and household chores, Stone says, making the idea of raising children
even less appealing to many women in their 20s and 30s.

In my solution:

Maternity leave MUST be taken by the husband and wife equally.
No exceptions. Employers must guarantee that jobs will be
returned after childcare. THESE LAWS MUST BE ENFORCED

As for the cost of these policies. Start with increasing the inheritance tax.
Increasing tobacco taxes. Increasing taxes on non-compliant businesses.

Done again and dusted again.

FFS, would anyone trust OP with $1000 to plan a company dinner or to act as treasurer of their Kayaking club

Would I trust the perpetual party animal SPQR to plan a company dinner? Hell yeah! Hookers and weed for everyone!

And there are certainly some tweaks that can be done to marginally improve it.

However, the fundamental core issues- dating culture, education demands, contraception & abortion, marriage age aren't going anywhere. Those are such big hurdles that they rate even above the cost of raising a child and the physical demands of childbearing.

Money and apartments only address one of those factors (and even then, not fully).

Yeah, but the numbers clearly say that something went more wrong in Korea than in other countries.

Would I trust the perpetual party animal SPQR to plan a company dinner? Hell yeah! Hookers and weed for everyone!

Damn straight!

But you might get sand in your shoes. It will be on a beach.

have they thought about banning abortion and punishing doctors who perform them?
maybe they could get rid of all sexual education in the country?
they could try banning contraception.
maybe open up a couple more wiener parks in jeju?
maybe let people have relations at work during their 30 minute break of a 12 hour shift?
or... maybe far lass people on a massively overpopulated island is a good thing. why isn't anyone taking that angle?  theres 55 million people in Korea.  this place would be so much better if there was like 10 million people tops.  maybe they could stop tearing down the mountains and putting up 50 floor apartment complexes.  if there were less people, maybe the air quality would improve. Maybe people would be happier.  Population decline couldn't happen fast enough in my opinion.  Its a shame that the places where people are having so many children are such shitholes that they are literally dying to get out of it.

Would I trust the perpetual party animal SPQR to plan a company dinner? Hell yeah! Hookers and weed for everyone!

OP, it's no surprise no one wanted to loan you money without a significant down payment given your level of "thinking." FFS, would anyone trust OP with $1000 to plan a company dinner or to act as treasurer of their Kayaking club, much less Population Czar?

1. Uhm, failing to notice the bolded part above is part of the reason OP is, to be kind, less developed mentally when it comes to decision making and why no one would trust them.

What kind of hookers and weed are you getting for an entire company of people for $1000?

2. It also shows how socially retarded OP and the whole "Hur hur Thai Hookers" crowd is and how out of touch with reality they are. FFS it's 2023 and you have like, women employees. Do you have any idea what kind of minefield you'd be walking into. "Lets get my male staff liquored up and horny. What's the worst that could happen as they interact with my female staff?"

Just because you don't like me, doesn't mean that OP is sensible in any way, shape or form.

As for the cost of these policies. Start with increasing the inheritance tax.
Increasing tobacco taxes. Increasing taxes on non-compliant businesses.

Done again and dusted again.

You can tell a plan is well thought-out when the person comes up with the spending first and gives detail on that but doesn't have any concrete plans or figures on the revenue and is just making it up on the fly.

Dude, grow up.

have they thought about banning abortion and punishing doctors who perform them?
maybe they could get rid of all sexual education in the country?
they could try banning contraception.

You'd best git on down to Texas for these highfalutin thangs.

1. Uhm, failing to notice the bolded part above is part of the reason OP is, to be kind, less developed mentally when it comes to decision making and why no one would trust them.

What kind of hookers and weed are you getting for an entire company of people for $1000?

Nah, it's just going to be us. We'll fly down to Koh Samui on a Friday, check in to our hotels, hit up the street food on our way to the dispensary, and then take in some fine Thai hospitality Start the next morning off with a few Singhas and hit up the beach to work on our tans. Rinse and repeat. SPQR has the local connections so he can get us the best prices.

DONE AND DUSTED

Nah, it's just going to be us. We'll fly down to Koh Samui on a Friday, check in to our hotels, hit up the street food on our way to the dispensary, and then take in some fine Thai hospitality Start the next morning off with a few Singhas and hit up the beach to work on our tans. Rinse and repeat. SPQR has the local connections so he can get us the best prices.

DONE AND DUSTED

I said SPQR has to do the planning. If your company is just a partnership, based on track record, you'll be running everything and organizing payment.

Or you can choose to put your money and plans in the hands of a druggie who has to limit himself to 14 units and couldn't manage a smartphone until he was forced to and can't even sign up for basic websites. Would you trust him with your cash in Thailand?

I said SPQR has to do the planning. If your company is just a partnership, based on track record, you'll be running everything and organizing payment.

Or you can choose to put your money and plans in the hands of a druggie who has to limit himself to 14 units and couldn't manage a smartphone until he was forced to and can't even sign up for basic websites. Would you trust him with your cash in Thailand?

Hell yeah I would! SPQR knows how to get the best prices. 14 units? This party keeps getting better and better As for smart phones, I wouldn't want to party with a bunch of millennials who can't go ten seconds without scrolling through Tiktok. Give me a bunch of old luddites any day of the week.

DONE AND DUSTED

Now on a serious note...

Yes I think they are all fair points. I'm not sure they rate above cost and physical demands, but they're definitely factors. I've met plenty of Korean people who say that due to work and culture, they just don't get time to meet anyone. It will be interesting to see what a huge demographic of old, single people looks like in 30 years time. Has such a large demographic ever existed in a country before? I suspect a huge amount may continue working, to give their life purpose. That may help the economic issues somewhat.

I think this might have to be considered a serious priority going forward. Instead of riding young people to work hard, companies might find themselves pressured to ensure the same work-life balance for 20-something single people who want a date as they might ensure for parents with children. Maybe they could go as far as having some state-sponsored singles balls.

“Harping on people to marry from high up in the ivory tower fails to engage with the reality on the ground that heterosexual women from many walks of life confront: that is, the state of men today,” Anna Louie Sussman writes

I hate to say this, but I think she's talking about H77.

“Harping on people to marry from high up in the ivory tower fails to engage with the reality on the ground that heterosexual women from many walks of life confront: that is, the state of men today,” Anna Louie Sussman writes

I hate to say this, but I think she's talking about H77.

hey now, don't be like that. people like hangook are only a small %, there's still plenty of heterosexual men out there

This party keeps getting better and better

Will there be any tent sex at this party?

Nah, it's just going to be us. We'll fly down to Koh Samui on a Friday, check in to our hotels, hit up the street food on our way to the dispensary, and then take in some fine Thai hospitality Start the next morning off with a few Singhas and hit up the beach to work on our tans. Rinse and repeat. SPQR has the local connections so he can get us the best prices.

DONE AND DUSTED

Leo, not Singhas and we are in business!

Leo, not Singhas and we are in business!

I guess we can't be friends then

I think this might have to be considered a serious priority going forward. Instead of riding young people to work hard, companies might find themselves pressured to ensure the same work-life balance for 20-something single people who want a date as they might ensure for parents with children. Maybe they could go as far as having some state-sponsored singles balls.

Again that's not really the problem. Plenty of young people are dating. What they aren't doing is marrying.

Now you can get lots of children from people dating but not marrying- Ban contraception and abortion. Barring that, you aren't if people are choosing to wait until the final 1/3rd of their childbearing age (and the practical window is even smaller

If you're married at 35 because you spent 18-35 dating, you really have 5 years of childbearing age and well, fertility ain't the greatest and the risks of complications and defects increase significantly, plus recovery is that much harder.

Seriously, some people here seem utterly clueless. What you think you can just toss an apartment and some leave and some money at 35 year-old women and they can just pump out 2.5 healthy babies? Then again, many posters here are utter dinosaur waygjosshis.