Do you think this Woke movement will ever die out?

https://youtu.be/O07lmPzcmVE?t=341

I was watching this video and really this Woke movement is becoming more bizarre by the day.  Now apparently maths is racist and an act of White Supremacy.

Getting one correct answer is exclusionary. This is just pathetic and I would venture to say unless something happens fast to get rid of these fruitcakes, they are going to ruin society for everyone.

I'll grant you this lady may be a "very important doctor and Australian/American political commentator" but with videos titled like "How birth control destroyed a generation of women" and "the demonization of straight white men" and "Mainstreaming perversion: normalizing the unthinkable" plus her Daily Mail appearance complaining about being seated on a flight between two fat people, I can't really imagine giving much credence to anything she says. 

The "fruitcakes" we need to "get rid of" are people like her.

What does "woke" mean to you, anyway?  Seems like it's right-wing-nutjob-speak for standing up against racism/sexism/ageism, doing your best to make society better, even keeping public libraries a going concern. 

I'm a white, (barely) middle-class Baby Boomer who describes himself as politically moderate--the problem is that the right wing fell off the edge of the world fifteen years ago. 

Just remember: NO ONE AT ALL put cat litter trays in school hallways so kids who identify as furries could relieve themselves; the number of people who think boys can have periods too is vanishingly small, and anyone who thinks efforts to ban MAUS are because of nudity is a dolt. 

https://youtu.be/O07lmPzcmVE?t=341

I was watching this video and really this Woke movement is becoming more bizarre by the day.  Now apparently maths is racist and an act of White Supremacy.

Getting one correct answer is exclusionary. This is just pathetic and I would venture to say unless something happens fast to get rid of these fruitcakes, they are going to ruin society for everyone.

Typical right wing nonsense. Headline: 'Apparently maths is racist now'. Reality: 'The maths curriculum could be more inclusive.'.

Decolonising curriculums globallly is a good idea. I find people who watch these videos, huff to themselves and don't look even one iota deeper hilarious.

Typical right wing nonsense. Headline: 'Apparently maths is racist now'. Reality: 'The maths curriculum could be more inclusive.'.

Decolonising curriculums globallly is a good idea. I find people who watch these videos, huff to themselves and don't look even one iota deeper hilarious.

What changes would you suggest be made to the math curriculum to make it more inclusive?

I think a lot of people think "woke" has just gotten out of control.  It seemed like an aspirational goal when I first started hearing the term, but now it seems like its been hijacked by white people who are looking to be offended so they can let you know how accepting they are.  Examples from my own life I often use are that when I was younger and into high school, using the n-word was never acceptable but terms like Paki and chink were just considered fun.  And calling people gay or a fag was commonplace.  We have come a long place since then.  But, it seems we've gone beyond the pale now as we are told we need to accept everything or we're sexist or racist or misogynists.  I use those terms because it seems as a while, straight male I am apparently the worst offender.  I don't think trans women should be allowed in women sports for example.  So, am I not woke?  I can't keep up with what keeps being added to LGBT+. 

For me, the woke movement morphed into "Everyone is a victim and requires a special status (except white men, of course) and as a white man I just lost interest and patience for the woke movement.  I'm not sure what it means anymore. 

There's woke and then woke.

Normal woke is just calling out bigotry, prejudice, sexism and homophobia. Sometimes the cases are marginal or have legitimate disagreement. That's part of morality.

Then there's the wack-job wokeness that just goes off the deep end. Stuff where even liberal people roll their eyes.

Republicans need the “woke” movement just so they can proudly claim to be “anti-woke”.

I think the fact this person was once a contributor on Sky News Australia pretty much says it all. I pity the University of Mebourne and other graduates of said institution.

https://www.sydneywatson.com/about

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_News_Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp

Republicans need the “woke” movement just so they can proudly claim to be “anti-woke”.

might be true for trump's fanbase, but other than that one unique circumstance it doesn't seem to be working that well for the rest of them. prime example right now being desantis. i bet he would be doing a lot better if he ran on his record during covid in florida instead of all the nonsense hes going on about

All this being said, I keep on harping on this- some of the older, ostensibly left-leaning people on this forum really are out of touch with modern sensibilities and seem to think that somehow they'd do okay with some of the things they say on here and don't really get how that would probably get them in hot water these days.

confusedsaffer, it's disappointing to see you fall for this crap. It's hard to know how much these grifters actually believe the garbage that they churn out, but this video probably sits somewhere between deliberate misrepresention of the facts and pathological delusion. There is nowhere within that spectrum that should have ever led you to believe that this was a credible set of statements.

As someone else pointed out, these right-wing fruitcakes are flipping out over the efforts of some people within math education to eliminate unconscious bias, recognize multiple methods for learning and techniques for teaching, and question whether certain elements of colonialism and discrimination are perpetuated by the way math has traditionally been taught. You can debate each of those points and even vehemently disagree with the claims made by some of these people. What you can't do is claim that there's a significant number of people who claim that math itself is racist.

The idiot presenter of this video predictably recycles the claim that various unnamed "math professors" are pushing the idea that "2 + 2 =4 is racist". This is on a par with "kids are peeing in litter boxes." It has its origins in a workshop presentation made by a math teacher, Jason To, in Ontario.  On one of his slides, he'd written the phrase, "Math is neutral becasue 2 + 2 = 4" in order to challenge it. You don't even really need the full context to understand that his argument was that universal truths within mathematics aren't a foolproof safeguard against bias or ideological influence. You can disagree with that viewpoint, but his statement is not "2 + 2 = 4 is racist". A right-wing publication started circulating the idea, based on this single quote on a single slide in a single workshop, that "woke" math professors were denying fundamental mathematical truths. I've seen this myth circulated on on Fox News, by Douglas Murrary, by Joe Rogan and tweeted out by Republicans in Congress. It's a lie.

The presentation that To gave, and that Blaff profiled, wasn’t using official Ontario Ministry of Education materials. To is president of the Ontario Mathematics Coordinators Association (OMCA), a group that isn’t part of the ministry but is influential, nonetheless.

As criticism of To’s presentation and the views of the OMCA grew online, the group put out a statement lashing out at their critics.

“Contrary to misinformed reporting, a math fact such as the sum of 2 and 2 is equal to 4 has never been in dispute for OMCA members,” the statement said.

You can do better, confusedsaffer. And you should.

No one can do sanctimonious shaming like the far left.  Perhaps, you should let Confusedsaffer come to his own conclusions. 

What changes would you suggest be made to the math curriculum to make it more inclusive?

If you're genuinely interested in this, maybe it would be a good idea to refer to the work of the academics and math teachers who actually make this argument, and contest specific points where you disagree. That would certainly be more productive than engaging in the goofy and fantastical strawman battle exemplified by the video above.

I don't think trans women should be allowed in women sports for example.  So, am I not woke?  I can't keep up with what keeps being added to LGBT+. 

I am also against trans women competing in women’s sports. I think many “woke” people are, too. There does seem to be a hard-core trans movement that wants to go it alone out with the LGBTQ arena.

If you're genuinely interested in this, maybe it would be a good idea to refer to the work of the academics and math teachers who actually make this argument, and contest specific points where you disagree. That would certainly be more productive than engaging in the goofy and fantastical strawman battle exemplified by the video above.

I made no such arguments. I merely asked what would YOU do?

Here's how I approach things.  Anything that makes the progressive left look bad and ridiculous is obviously dog whistling and based in rumour and speculation.  No matter the source.  Anything that makes the right look like bad is accepted immediately as gospel truth.  It's that simple. 

Again, from the right, question the sources with severe bias and skepticism.

Again, from the left, accept it as hard truth as a matter of faith without question. 

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You can do better, confusedsaffer. And you should.


No one can do sanctimonious shaming like the far left.  Perhaps, you should let Confusedsaffer come to his own conclusions.

Yeah, I make no apologies for the sanctimonious shaming here. I don't think hangook77 could do better. I don't think NorthStar (or whatever his recent incarnation was called) could do better. Their brains have been soaked in this junk for so long that there's very little hope of them ever recovering basic rational thinking abilities. I don't think that's true of the OP (though maybe it is, I don't know...) So when someone who is capable of better delivers a big diarrhea burst of misinformation that negatively impacts educators who aren't doing the things they're being accused of, I think that's pretty shameful. Especially when the claims are so easily debunked. 

Think about the hate and abuse that guy Jason To probably got for putting that one sentence on a slide at a workshop, hate and abuse that would have been predicated on a wilfull misunderstanding. To do anything which perpetuates that is shameful. And yes, some examples of left-wing "cancel culture" are equally shameful. I can think of several and would call them out just as vigorously.

We really can't limp all 'woke' stuff together. There's obvious extremists and there are also people making reasonable requests and advocating for sensible change.

It's like someone being a bit 'traditional.' That doesn't mean they want a return to the Spanish Inquisition. Obviously there are some extremists who do, but lets differentiate between someone having legitimate questions about say, the over-sexualization and hedonism of modern society vs. a fundamentalist extremist.

What changes would you suggest be made to the math curriculum to make it more inclusive?

Depends which maths curriculum you're on about really, doesn't it?

Depends which maths curriculum you're on about really, doesn't it?

If there is 1 male bathroom and 1 female bathroom, how many can the trans woman use?

Like that…?