Israel knew Hamas attack was coming

It's clear that Israel were informed by Egypt that an attack was coming from Hamas, yet they did nothing.

Why? The best intelligence agency on earth claining they had no knowledge. That beggars belief.

Could it be because they've wanted the Gaza strip for years so they let the attack happen to justify the genocide they are inflicting on the Palestinian people? They didn't care about the Israelis that were killed, it would further justify their outrage and forthcoming murderous rampage.

I stand with the Palestinians. They've been the wronged party since 1948.

That Israel was informed doesn't necessarily mean they ignored it to provoke a conflict. Nor does it eliminate incompetence and sloth as possible explanations.

Intel agencies get dozens of tips a week about potential attacks, only a fraction of which have sufficient substance to them in order to act. They aren't sitting at desks doing nothing when all of a sudden alarms blare and the Egyptian James Bond comes running in with charts, photos and documents (I mean, he might have, but probably unlikely).

Have you considered the fact that Hamas is run by clever and cunning people and there might have been a steady stream of "leaks" and other disinformation in order to conceal the attack?

Before people think of elaborate conspiracy theory explanations, always stop to consider the day to day bureaucratic operations of such things.

Unfortunately for the Palestinians, they’ve got Hamas making their future for them.

 Everybody should have. They have published their manifesto many times:

The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:


1
The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),

2
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,

3
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and

4
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.

Pretty easy to understand. Just another bunch of Islamist fundamentalists
in need of annihilation.
 

Could it be because they've wanted the Gaza strip for years so they let the attack happen to justify the genocide they are inflicting on the Palestinian people? They didn't care about the Israelis that were killed, it would further justify their outrage and forthcoming murderous rampage.

This has to be the dumbest conspiracy theory I have heard in a long, long time.

Could it be because they've wanted the Gaza strip for years so they let the attack happen to justify the genocide they are inflicting on the Palestinian people? They didn't care about the Israelis that were killed, it would further justify their outrage and forthcoming murderous rampage.

This has to be the dumbest conspiracy theory I have heard in a long, long time.

Exactly. While false flags have happened, there is no reason to think this was the case and has as much validity as it being part of the powerful new 'Ecuadorean-Palestinian-Tongan Alliance', bent upon world domination or "Kim Jong Un did it so he could sell nukes".

"How could a government organization screw something up?" Seriously? This is what this guy is basing his view on? You gotta love the conservatives that think government is completely incompetent and knows nothing, then can't believe that the government could possibly be incompetent and not all-knowing. 

Exactly. While false flags have happened, there is no reason to think this was the case and has as much validity as it being part of the powerful new 'Ecuadorean-Palestinian-Tongan Alliance', bent upon world domination or "Kim Jong Un did it so he could sell nukes".

"How could a government organization screw something up?" Seriously? This is what this guy is basing his view on? You gotta love the conservatives that think government is completely incompetent and knows nothing, then can't believe that the government could possibly be incompetent and not all-knowing. 

Or say, freely admit Donald Trump is a grifter, liar and conman, then refuse to allow that any action of his is a con, a grift or a big lie ...

Or, some could refuse to drink the Kool-Aid and be critical thinkers. Israel is not the benevolent friend of mankind. What they are doing, and have been doing, to the Palestinian people is genocide. Israel is an apartheid state, and that is beyond dispute.

I am not defending Hamas, but there are two sides to every story.

I also don't like Kool-Aid, Too much sugar.

The non Kool-Aid position would be to say that there are no innocent parties in the Israel/Palestinian conflict. It’s a war of historical grievances that requires sacrifices on both sides to make a peace plan work.

There can be no peace with Hamas and Israeli hardline right-wingers in positions of power.

The non Kool-Aid position would be to say that there are no innocent parties in the Israel/Palestinian conflict. It’s a war of historical grievances that requires sacrifices on both sides to make a peace plan work.

There can be no peace with Hamas and Israeli hardline right-wingers in positions of power.

I gotta agree with this.

Israel just gave 1.1 million Palestinians 24 hours to get outta Dodge before they get annihilated. Defend that!

Or say, freely admit Donald Trump is a grifter, liar and conman, then refuse to allow that any action of his is a con, a grift or a big lie ...

Thankfully, that's not what I've done. Just because I don't think EVERY action of Trump's amounts to that, and just because I don't agree with YOUR interpretation, doesn't mean I deny any con, grift or big lie. I understand that your brain seems to be incapable of processing that degree of nuance on this subject due to intense feelings, but that's the way it is. It is not my fault you have this problem.

Question Mr. C- What percentage of lawmakers in the U.S. would you say are not grifters, liars and/or conmen/women to some extent?

Do you believe they are confined to one end of the political spectrum or that there are ample types on both sides of the aisle?

Do you believe that the CIA/FBI has at times deliberately lied and misled the American people about its activities?

Also, wtf does this have to do with Lichtenstein's point or Hamas-Israel? Trump and me really do live rent-free in your head.

Or, some could refuse to drink the Kool-Aid and be critical thinkers. Israel is not the benevolent friend of mankind. What they are doing, and have been doing, to the Palestinian people is genocide. Israel is an apartheid state, and that is beyond dispute.

I am not defending Hamas, but there are two sides to every story.

I also don't like Kool-Aid, Too much sugar.

Okay, that's a position. I don't agree with it wholly, but I do understand it and where it is coming from and there are parts that are true and parts that I think are a bit much.

But that doesn't prove your claim (or "just asking questions, bro") that Israel knew about this in advance in order to justify taking over Gaza.

Given Hamas savagery, it's easy to see why Israel was justified in not letting them into their country.  They called it an open prison.  But they are free to go elsewhere in their own country o travel to other countries if they are allowed.  Every country can choose who to let into their country.  Given what Hamas did killing women and children, beheading babies, burning people alive, raping and killing women, Hamas just showed what it does when in Israel.  Hence Israel keeping the border mostly closed has been justified.  Given their savagery, you can hardly blame Israel for hitting them hard.  While I feel bad for ordinary Palestinians, they should not accept Hamas rule and should have gotten rid of them a long time ago. 

You can't make peace with Hamas when their doctrine is kill the Jews and push Israel to the sea.  You can't make peace with someone who refuses to recognize your right to exist.  You can't make peace with someone so corrupt that they take international donations meant for schools and hospitals and take that money instead to buy rockets and fire them into Israel over the years.  The Iron Dome kept most of those at bay and limited Israels need to respond which was good for some of the Palestinian people.

But on the other hand, while I want to sympathize with innocent Palestinians caught in the middle, I find it quite disturbing many of them living in the west will cheer for such savagery and barbaric behavior.  It really lowers my opinions of them.  There is no excuse for this.  While Israel is no angel, Hamas brought this sealed border and closed in situation on itself and never built up the economy instead.  They could have turned into some pro business low tax Hong Kong then wealthy Palestinians could have traveled the world whenever they felt like it.  Instead Hamas chose hatred, bigotry, fascism, and a lack of progress whatsoever.  maybe now they can finally be taken out and the Palestinians can work towards a better life, but only if they want to and can change attitudes.

the genocide they are inflicting on the Palestinian people

This genocide is going to take a while.

But they are free to go elsewhere in their own country o travel to other countries if they are allowed.

Dude, "Elsewhere" is basically a strip of land half the size of Seoul. They also aren't accepted into most other countries. And aren't you against them being immigrants to YOUR country?

Hence Israel keeping the border mostly closed has been justified.

So...they can't go and aren't accepted.

they should not accept Hamas rule and should have gotten rid of them a long time ago

How?

You can't make peace with Hamas when their doctrine is kill the Jews and push Israel to the sea.  You can't make peace with someone who refuses to recognize your right to exis

Of course you can. Now whether that peace is wise is another question. Historically, sometimes it has and many times it has not been wise to do so.

You cannot make a peace with a “country” whose primary goal is the other country’s utter destruction.

Why hasn’t North and South Korea made peace yet?

Trucks of Israeli aid headed to Gaza. This is what genocide looks like.

Meanwhile from the original draft of Hamas' charter:

"“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”"

"“With their money, they took control of the world media,” reads Article 22, “news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others.”"

"“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”"

Liechtenstein and Mr C:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY

Thankfully, that's not what I've done.

You are the most un-self-aware person I've ever encountered.

Take some time and go back through the 10,000 DMT posts during the Trump presidency to see how wrong that statement is.

His lies are not lies, they're bargaining positions ...
His lies are not lies, he's not talking to you, he's speaking in code ...
He didn't say such-and-such--despite actual film footage of him saying it ...
He didn't say so-and-so, eight thousand other people are lying ...
He didn't say this-or-that, and if he did, he was joking ...
He's not trying to hurt NATO, while at that moment he's trying to pull 32,000 US troops from Germany ...
He wasn't ridiculing that handicapped guy, he ridicules lots of people ...
Saying a judge can't be impartial because his parents are Mexican is not racist ...
He did as good and super a job with Covid as any other similar superhuman superhero like him could do!
...and a thousand more. It's sickening.

And your denying it with a straight face just makes you even worse.

I don't think Israel knew it was coming except in the senese that it always could be coming. Keeping defenses on high alert 24/7/365 would put a strain on any country. It certainly is an intelligence failure, though.

Okay, that's a position. I don't agree with it wholly, but I do understand it and where it is coming from and there are parts that are true and parts that I think are a bit much.

But that doesn't prove your claim (or "just asking questions, bro") that Israel knew about this in advance in order to justify taking over Gaza.

I didn't actually make a claim. I said, could it be, which is a question.

Nonetheless, Israel is slaughtering Paestinians and now bombing Lebanon. Iran is threatening action if there is a ground invasion of Gaza. The KSA just put talks on hold with Israel.

What Hamas did is terror and tragic and needs to be punished. However, Israel is going too far. This is not a fair and equitable respose.

WW3 is a possibility, and if the shit truly hits the fan. in my opinion, Israel will go down in history as being the instigator.