Oppenheimer: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Bomb the Japanese

I do agree that defending the Imperial Japanese Army is a bit of a weird take, yes. Are you one of those Critical Race Theory people who thinks everything is about race? You don't think people can simply oppose the Japanese Empire for what it actually was?

Strange how suddenly everyone flip-flops
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=103444.0
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=100098.msg646458#msg646458
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=121434.msg852621#msg852621
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=95222.0
https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=103444.0

I had a look through all of those topics. Nobody flip-flopped. Those range from 2016 to 2021, and none of those posters are participating in this discussion now except gogators! who didn't change his opinion. Even if they all were, would changing your opinion after 2-7 years really be considered "flip-flopping"? I'm starting to understand why other users accuse you of lying. Your post should read "Strange how you can find some different opinions from two to seven years ago" but that wouldn't be strange at all, and wouldn't enable you to paint the entire forum with some weird huge brush where you think everyone is wrong except for you.

I was referring more to the general tone of the forum, which in the past has been relatively sympathetic to Japan (and tends to dismiss Koreans) regarding comfort women and Japan apologizing. Yet now, suddenly it is "Listen to Koreans" and condemning Japan in the harshest terms. Also, I suspect some of the posters are still here under different names.

Also, no one is defending the IJA, but instead adding context. Japan's behaviour was far closer to the norm than some extreme outlier. Basically, from anyone who hasn't been brainwashed by legacy colonial propaganda, Britain and Japan are only slightly different. Like Escobar vs. Cali vs. Sinaloa. They're all invading, murdering, raping colonizing bastards. (Of course in realpolitik terms, all their actions make sense to a degree- you're either predator or prey).

Sorry do you not see the level of brainwashing psychosis taking place?

People thinking Pearl Harbor+Bataan justified mass murder of women and children.
People in utter denial about the warmongering, murderous, invadingextent of the British Empire.
People "defending" race-based slavery because other kingdoms might take captive slaves.
People , completely oblivious to the British Empire's role in Japan abandoning the international order and the racist motivation behind it.

If you're objective, you need to take an honest look and be willing to admit that your own country and ancestors might have been horrible POS. If you are willing to do that, then you're doing the same thing many condemn the Japanese for.

I was referring more to the general tone of the forum, which in the past has been relatively sympathetic to Japan (and tends to dismiss Koreans) regarding comfort women and Japan apologizing.

Yeah, and it's a regular strategy of yours that nobody is buying anymore. You say things like "If you can't see the racism/bigotry/bias that is prevalent among this forum, you're blind by your own racism/bigotry/bias," refer to posts from years ago by users who have long since departed, and when you get called out for this bullsh*t you try to wriggle out of it by saying "It's the tone of the forum, not anyone specific." NOT ONE user is any of the threads you cited flip-flopped. The only one still around from any of them is gogators! and he's so consistent he even referred to the same sources he used years ago. Some of the users responding now (like me) weren't even members back then. How can we "flip-flop" on something we literally never expressed on here?

Even if we were to agree that the tone did change, how would a changing of the tone over the course of two to seven years in any way be considered "flip-flopping"? People can change in an intellectually honest way. Maybe you really are as insular as some users suggest that you can't grasp this. Maybe you just had to make the discussion about Japanese atrocities in WWII about you and go "You're only taking that position because it's ME you're arguing against! Waaaah!" Maybe you've gone all-in on Critical Race Theory and think the Nanjing Massacre was the result of White Supremacy.

Yeah, and it's a regular strategy of yours that nobody is buying anymore. You say things like "If you can't see the racism/bigotry/bias that is prevalent among this forum, you're blind by your own racism/bigotry/bias," refer to posts from years ago by users who have long since departed, and when you get called out for this bullsh*t you try to wriggle out of it by saying "It's the tone of the forum, not anyone specific." NOT ONE user is any of the threads you cited flip-flopped. The only one still around from any of them is gogators! and he's so consistent he even referred to the same sources he used years ago. Some of the users responding now (like me) weren't even members back then. How can we "flip-flop" on something we literally never expressed on here?

not to kill the convo or anything, but your chances of successfully convincing marty that the strawman forum user he references every argument doesnt actually exist are extremely low

Yeah, and it's a regular strategy of yours that nobody is buying anymore. You say things like "If you can't see the racism/bigotry/bias that is prevalent among this forum, you're blind by your own racism/bigotry/bias," refer to posts from years ago by users who have long since departed, and when you get called out for this bullsh*t you try to wriggle out of it by saying "It's the tone of the forum, not anyone specific." NOT ONE user is any of the threads you cited flip-flopped. The only one still around from any of them is gogators! and he's so consistent he even referred to the same sources he used years ago. Some of the users responding now (like me) weren't even members back then. How can we "flip-flop" on something we literally never expressed on here?

Even if we were to agree that the tone did change, how would a changing of the tone over the course of two to seven years in any way be considered "flip-flopping"? People can change in an intellectually honest way. Maybe you really are as insular as some users suggest that you can't grasp this. Maybe you just had to make the discussion about Japanese atrocities in WWII about you and go "You're only taking that position because it's ME you're arguing against! Waaaah!" Maybe you've gone all-in on Critical Race Theory and think the Nanjing Massacre was the result of White Supremacy.

Dude, this isn't based simply on those cited threads. It is based on more as well as one-off posts or brief digressions. Are you denying that the majority opinion here has been more sympathetic to Japan's claims vs. Korea regarding comfort women and apologies.

As for people changing their minds, certainly possible.  Of course it is also possible that they are reflexively against Korea but when it comes to Japan vs. THEIR country, then they'll pull out the card of suddenly taking opinion seriously. Which do you think is more probable? Especially considering that no one here has expressed that they changed their view on this issue in the past EXCEPT me. Should't we be hearing about this change of heart in their posts?

Finally, I never once mentioned CRT. If your response to "The British backstabbed the Japanese, who were their allies the Japanese to form the Anglo-US alliance, for racial reasons as expressed by Churchill, a notorious racist" (none of which is in dispute by historians, even conservative ones) is "CRT!!!!", then again YOU are behaving like those Japanese denialists who would dismiss anything said about Japan as "propaganda."

Do you not see that? Do you not see that people here are behaving the exact same way as pro-Imperialist Japanese, only it is with THEIR country's empires.

You had a poster handwave the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and justify the mass murder of women and children as a 10~100 fold measure of retribution. (And again, Nanking had zero impact on the U.S. decision, so spare us that).

not to kill the convo or anything, but your chances of successfully convincing marty that the strawman forum user he references every argument doesnt actually exist are extremely low

True, but no lower than convincing anyone here that they might actually have some bias or indoctrination in them.

All of us have been taught the rape of Nanking. How many were taught that the British and Japanese were once allies and why that alliance ended and how that changed Japanese behaviour.

Why is that? That would seem to be incredibly pertinent information.

We were keeping slaves and performing ritual human sacrifice in Ireland before the Brits showed up and burdened us with infrastructure, law and order, medicine, hygiene, modern agricultural practices, working government (we have since abandoned this one), human rights, a modern language etc etc etc.

The ghosts of colonialism and imperial oppression have left us with the second highest GDP per capita in the world. The barbarism and violence inflicted on us casts a shadow even today as we see TWENTY PEOPLE MURDERED...per year... in the entire country. Fifth highest percentage of university graduates in the world and so on.

Tiocfaidh ár lá.

Irish slavery? I blame the Vikings even though “Ireland” didn’t exist then.

Waygook.org- How dare you try and excuse acts of imperialism!
Also, waygook.org: Lets excuse the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade and the conquest and exploitation of dozens of countries.

Waygook.org: The Japanese don't accept their past and were brainwashed to overlook the faults of their Empire
Also, waygook.org: See above

There needs to be a meme for “Never go Full Marty”.

Done! 

Perfect!