SBS Delete “Ladies” in Michelle Yeoh’s Acceptance Speech

Even for you this is a stretch 

I don't think SBS' English translation operation being slipshod is much of a stretch. 

I'm guessing with the five posts above Marti is trying to take this thread back from the light hearted banter it had become into a more tedious direction? 

"But, I wasn't finished countering everything people had written, yet.  I'm not done whining." 
                             
                                    Lucius Maldonado DeMArtino March 16th, 2023

Don't you have me on ignore?

But I'm still confused about how this thread reached this argument and who actually disagrees with you

The voices in his head. It’s why he keeps going on and on. He can’t shake them.

I don't think SBS' English translation operation being slipshod is much of a stretch. 

They can do a running translation of a live awards show but come unstuck on the word "ladies" and then decide the best way to cover up their mistake, and make the tiny amount of criticism go away, is to say that they deliberately removed it from their translation in an attempt to prevent the watching men from feeling discriminated against?

I think to believe that would be a stretch.

Ah, SBS.

Not at all surprised by this, but can't fathom how they thought anyone would let this cringe slide, haha.

They can do a running translation of a live awards show but come unstuck on the word "ladies" and then decide the best way to cover up their mistake, and make the tiny amount of criticism go away, is to say that they deliberately removed it from their translation in an attempt to prevent the watching men from feeling discriminated against?

I think to believe that would be a stretch.

I was thinking more the ajumma subway thing. Maybe they didn't want to get bogged down in the whole ajumma controversy but instead of saying that they made some lame excuse about men.

Not saying this is what happened or it was right, just that it also fits the pattern of incompetence.

I was thinking more the ajumma subway thing. Maybe they didn't want to get bogged down in the whole ajumma controversy but instead of saying that they made some lame excuse about men.

What? Who would make that connection? So no one can use the word ajumma anymore cuz a woman was murdered 6 months ago? It's a Malaysian woman speaking in English in LA. No one would make that connection.

What? Who would make that connection? So no one can use the word ajumma anymore cuz a woman was murdered 6 months ago? It's a Malaysian woman speaking in English in LA. No one would make that connection.

Wait..I thought we all agreed that that is exactly why they did it.  Without a Korean as a nominee in the best actress category there were probably up to four people watching that crap.  It would've been a killing spree.  Thank you SBS.   

Wait, Voight. Do you mean the stabbing thing that happened recently? For being called an ajumma? This is the largest stretch I've ever seen.............

  "I'll have a plain yogurt."
  Mate, it's the week after 9/11. Don't use that word. It's "Without Flavouring Yogurt."

Anyway, ladies has a half dozen acceptable translations. 여자들, 여성들 etc................ ..........

https://m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?ud=20230305000103

What? Who would make that connection? So no one can use the word ajumma anymore cuz a woman was murdered 6 months ago? It's a Malaysian woman speaking in English in LA. No one would make that connection.

It was 6 months ago? I thought the ajumma subway stabbing (which no one died in) happened last week and the whole "ajumma is now an insult" thing was going on.  https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20230304035200061?input=1179m

Or...are you talking about a different ajumma subway stabbing? There was another one?

Wait, Voight. Do you mean the stabbing thing that happened recently? For being called an ajumma? This is the largest stretch I've ever seen.............

  "I'll have a plain yogurt."
  Mate, it's the week after 9/11. Don't use that word. It's "Without Flavouring Yogurt."

Anyway, ladies has a half dozen acceptable translations. 여자들, 여성들 etc................ ..........

https://m.koreaherald.com/amp/view.php?ud=20230305000103

Yeah, I'm not really committed to this, just when I saw 'lady' and with the whole recent kerfluffle, it struck me as at least plausibly possible that there was some kind of connection. Like some corporate memo getting sent that 'ajumma' is no longer an acceptable term, the staff reading that, maybe even having some bigger notice about it, and then when the translation comes up, someone's like "Uhh...nothing about women and age..." or some such.

Not saying that is what happened, but it makes total corporate-HR-memo sense. Of course, that doesn't really explain their moronic explanation and excuse afterwards...

I was thinking more the ajumma subway thing. Maybe they didn't want to get bogged down in the whole ajumma controversy but instead of saying that they made some lame excuse about men.

Not saying this is what happened or it was right, just that it also fits the pattern of incompetence.

Incompetence is not a stretch. The ajumma thing is.

Haven't really been following this.  Just had to read up on it. 

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/14/1163409977/south-korea-news-channel-edits-ladies-michelle-yeoh-oscars-speech-sexism

If Korean translators made an error in the moment translation, update it later and say no big deal.  If deliberate, then discuss it, I guess. 

It was the remark about ladies getting older and still getting cast for parts?  Well, if they take care of their appearance like Michelle does, they should have no problems getting parts.  After all if Brad Pitt gained 300 pounds and lost his hair, he prob wouldn't be cast either. 

Anyways, no need to make a mountain out of a mole hill unless there's something else to this.  Everyone chill out and relax.  Take a deep breath.

If deliberate, then discuss it, I guess. 

It was.

In response to the backlash, SBS responded, “We thought ‘don’t let anybody tell you you’re ever past your prime’ is applicable to all people, not just ladies, so we deleted the word."

IF (and that's IF in the literal sense) what Michelle Yeoh had said upset people or was controverisal, it is not encumbent on SBS to save us from it. Michelle Yeoh is a big girl, she can thank who she wants and say what she wants during her acceptance speech for Best Actress.

If little peepee boys and men get upset at what she said then

A) let them be upset and
B) let them criticise Michelle Yeoh for what she said. It's not SBS' job to "protect" us from Yeoh or to make sure that we believe that she acknowledges people in her speech that she hadn't even mentioned.

  "I'd like to thank my husband!"

  "Well, that's certainly unfair to ALL husbands in Korea who support their wives through their professional endeavours. Mr. Lee, change that to 'I'd like to thank husbands around the world who support their wives.' No, wait. That excludes deadbeat husbands. Change it to 'Thanks, men. Every man."

Thanking people who helped you in life is INHERENTLY exclusionary, and that's a GOOD thing.   

SBS’ job was to translate what she said. Not to interject on behalf of the Korean incel and anti-feminist crowd who may get offended.

SBS’ job was to translate what she said. Not to interject on behalf of the Korean incel and anti-feminist crowd who may get offended.

Yep, I've translated a lot of stuff that I didn't agree with. But it's not your place to censor or alter the original meaning. They dun goof'd on an epic scale.

After all if Brad Pitt gained 300 pounds and lost his hair, he prob wouldn't be cast either. 

Uhhh...comment on this year's 'Best Actor' award?

Uhhh...comment on this year's 'Best Actor' award?

DeMartino for king of the world.....

It was ironic, because the winner of the 'Best Actor" award (Brendan Fraser) literally went on screen 300 pounds heavier and with substantially less hair. 
(The Whale)

It was ironic, because the winner of the 'Best Actor" award (Brendan Fraser) literally went on screen 300 pounds heavier and with substantially less hair. 
(The Whale)

Well, it was a special role.  But you have to admit that commonly does not happen though.  Also Brendan Fraser has been MIA for years until this.  He got passed over because of his looks.  (Though Burt Reynolds back in the day wore wigs and toupees.) 

Well, it was a special role.  But you have to admit that commonly does not happen though.  Also Brendan Fraser has been MIA for years until this.  He got passed over because of his looks.  (Though Burt Reynolds back in the day wore wigs and toupees.) 

dummy,  he was outcast because he spoke up about being sexually assaulted by the president of the Hollywood Foreign Press Association. blackballed.
in addition to going through a messy divorce, having to pay an outlandish amount of alimony, and suffering depression.