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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #100 on: April 11, 2023, 01:47:20 pm »
I stopped after the first line, when you you wouldn't admit your previous point was BS when called out for it, but then started to pile on the BS.

The Brandolini is strong in this one.
Dude, YOUR point is the one that is BS. Gun murders/100,00 DOES NOT correct for crime via rural and urban and give an accurate picture of "dangerous" (at least as is commonly understood by the public) in either one.

Lets look at how your example works. Lets say in a county of 1,000 people, there is a dispute over hunting territory and some nutjob kills 5 hunters in a dispute. This would give a gun homicide rate of 500/100,000. This would make that county more than twice as bloody as the bloodiest city in the world, in Cartel territory in Mexico at 181/100,0000 and worse than U.S. #1 New Orleans at 70/100,000.

Now a dimwit might say "See gun deaths/100,000 in this rural area it's more dangerous than Chicago....derp". Which is an utterly moronic thing to say. It completely ignores the context and takes a single incident and projects that onto the conditions that are experienced on a consistent basis.  And that is why I wrote this-

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. A county can see a single incident with 4 people dead and have wildly skewed gun violence numbers, but a single incident does not mean there is really the kind of pervasive danger that exists in blighted neighborhoods and it would be disrespectful to the people in those neighborhoods to compare both situations as equally violent.

And your response far from contradicting what I wrote, shows that you don't really understand what I wrote.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #101 on: April 11, 2023, 04:04:49 pm »
Dude, YOUR point is the one that is BS. Gun murders/100,00 DOES NOT correct for crime via rural and urban and give an accurate picture of "dangerous" (at least as is commonly understood by the public) in either one.

Lets look at how your example works. Lets say in a county of 1,000 people, there is a dispute over hunting territory and some nutjob kills 5 hunters in a dispute. This would give a gun homicide rate of 500/100,000. This would make that county more than twice as bloody as the bloodiest city in the world, in Cartel territory in Mexico at 181/100,0000 and worse than U.S. #1 New Orleans at 70/100,000.

Now a dimwit might say "See gun deaths/100,000 in this rural area it's more dangerous than Chicago....derp". Which is an utterly moronic thing to say. It completely ignores the context and takes a single incident and projects that onto the conditions that are experienced on a consistent basis.  And that is why I wrote this-


Which is why it's not something I said. 

And I don't so much disagree with what you're saying now as I think you failed to make this point (if it is what you were trying to say, which is unclear) originally.  As I said, I have basically stopped reading because, y'know, Brandolini.


Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #102 on: April 11, 2023, 04:27:46 pm »
Which is why it's not something I said. 

And I don't so much disagree with what you're saying now as I think you failed to make this point (if it is what you were trying to say, which is unclear) originally.  As I said, I have basically stopped reading because, y'know, Brandolini.

That being said, sometimes data doesn't tell the whole story. A county can see a single incident with 4 people dead and have wildly skewed gun violence numbers, but a single incident does not mean there is really the kind of pervasive danger that exists in blighted neighborhoods and it would be disrespectful to the people in those neighborhoods to compare both situations as equally violent.

Also, in some cases those gun violence deaths can be mostly domestic and not street crime or criminal enterprise related (or confined within criminal enterprise and outside the public eye) and thus their impact on public safety is not comparable.
Seems pretty clear to me. I honestly don't know where you're coming from on this other than just seeing my name, seeing red, and then flipping out over something that wasn't there.

And your response was this-

Which I guess would be why the numbers are given in homicides per 100,000 people.   Any statistician would note that and know what it means.  :rolleyes:
Which seems to indicate you didn't really grasp things.

Anyways, you win because you typed the word "Brandolini" and said "I stopped reading". That's how arguments work.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #103 on: April 11, 2023, 08:33:40 pm »
As opposed to what? The left's idea of half-measure regulations? Of a total gun-ban which is about as realistic as the radical right thinking outlawing pot will stop pot use?

Because all the measures the left propose are either half-assed measures that while are good because they would have a marginal affect and the right is too stubborn and paranoid about giving an inch on. And a lot of the other ideas that might work, the left (and a fair chunk of the right) is vehemently opposed to on various grounds ranging from discrimination to violations of civil liberties.

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Define marginal.

A big reason gun safety regulations don't work as well as they might is that local and/or authorities don't implement them or if they do the implementation is haphazard.

You shouldn't project about people not obeying the law. The lack of enforcement lets you get away with drinking and driving in SK. That lack of enforcement is also becoming a problem in the US.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #104 on: April 11, 2023, 09:50:13 pm »
The Right don't want to implement any gun regulations cause politics matter more than lives.

They don't want to reason with that "good guy with a gun" from giving up his AR-15s and multiple handguns because he's a "good guy honest citizen". That is until he gets fired from his job and takes his anger out at his place of employment....with his good guy guns.


Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2023, 08:49:31 am »
Define marginal.

A big reason gun safety regulations don't work as well as they might is that local and/or authorities don't implement them or if they do the implementation is haphazard.

You shouldn't project about people not obeying the law. The lack of enforcement lets you get away with drinking and driving in SK. That lack of enforcement is also becoming a problem in the US.
Please explain the logistics of enforcing these laws while staying within the Constitution and regulations and managing resources to also investigate every other crime you are tasked with.

A common middling-IQ+high impulsivity mistake people make is when they think of solutions but don't stop to consider logistics.
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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2023, 05:00:14 pm »
When the progressive left starts taking away the guns belonging to the Crips and the Bloods and the Mexican Mafia, then maybe I'll listen to their pleas for gun control.  But their confiscation is mainly aimed at the MAGA crowd. It's all political.


Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2023, 05:34:18 pm »
Yes, an organized force known as the progressive left is currently confiscating guns, but only from white conservatives, while actively allowing organized crime gangs to retain the same weapons. This is a thing that is definitely happening. It is a 100% real phenomenon, and people who believe in it are completely sane.
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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2023, 09:24:44 pm »
Please explain the logistics of enforcing these laws while staying within the Constitution and regulations and managing resources to also investigate every other crime you are tasked with.

A common middling-IQ+high impulsivity mistake people make is when they think of solutions but don't stop to consider logistics.
LOL.

I'd hate to be your boss and have to listen to all of your excuses for why you can't do your job. Of course, if I were your boss, you would have been fired long ago.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2023, 09:26:18 pm »
A new poll shows 19% of Americans have had a close relative die by gunfire. This includes suicides.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2023, 09:55:30 pm »
When the progressive left starts taking away the guns belonging to the Crips and the Bloods and the Mexican Mafia, then maybe I'll listen to their pleas for gun control.  But their confiscation is mainly aimed at the MAGA crowd. It's all political.

Crips, Bloods and Mexican Mafia? Someone's been watching too much "Mayor of Kingstown".


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2023, 05:09:35 am »
Crips, Bloods and Mexican Mafia? Someone's been watching too much "Mayor of Kingstown".

I spent my teens living in one of America's most violent cities. There are even places in that town where the cops fear to tread. Meanwhile, Uncle Sam wants to take away Farmer Smith's AR-15 to prevent gun violence. It's a big joke.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2023, 05:41:57 am »
I spent my teens living in one of America's most violent cities. There are even places in that town where the cops fear to tread. Meanwhile, Uncle Sam wants to take away Farmer Smith's AR-15 to prevent gun violence. It's a big joke.
Name it. Provide your address. And might as well throw in Farmer Smith's.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #113 on: April 13, 2023, 06:59:22 am »

I think the elephant in the room here is why it is only in the
US where people stand more of  a chance of being sawn in half
by an AR-15 while getting their latte.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html

There are a few countries where I would never want to work and live.

'merica is one of them

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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #114 on: April 13, 2023, 07:34:10 am »


USA- above the UK and above the OECD average. What a surprise! Itís not the hellish dystopia itís made out to be.
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Re: Right-wing gunmen
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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2023, 07:44:16 am »
Does that picture depict average Americans or an uncommon worst aspect? Yes, there are homeless junkies in America, but they are a tiny percentage of the population. There are way, way, way, way more millionaires than tent dwelling heroin addicts. Which do you want to be? 
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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2023, 07:46:08 am »


USA- above the UK and above the OECD average. What a surprise! Itís not the hellish dystopia itís made out to be.

One man's freedom to own the libs, ban books and refuse the truth about systemic racism is another man's hellish dystopia.


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2023, 07:46:46 am »
Does that picture depict average Americans or an uncommon worst aspect? Yes, there are homeless junkies in America, but they are a tiny percentage of the population. There are way, way, way, way more millionaires than ten dwelling heroin addicts. Which do you want to be?

with all those millionaires running around youd think the problem of homelessness wouldve been solved by now


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Re: Right-wing gunmen
« Reply #119 on: April 13, 2023, 07:48:48 am »
How could it be solved? Human nature is messed up. Some people refuse free housing because they donít want to follow the rules - no drugs allowed.