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Koreans Get Richer But Unhappier
« on: February 23, 2023, 12:50:09 pm »
But wealth doe not translate into happiness. Korea ranked 32nd out of 33 member countries
of the OECD on the Better Life Index, which measures the status of wellbeing. Korea ranked
at the bottom in a similar study by the UN
, and at the bottom in terms of the quality of sleep. 


https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2023/02/22/2023022200738.html

OECD Better Life Index

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD_Better_Life_Index

I really don't get it. Health care is good. Most people have homes. Education
is good. Crime is low. WTF are these people so unhappy? And it only gets worse
as you get older. The suicide rates for people in their 70s and 80s is staggering.

However, there is one good thing. The more I show data like these to my wife,
the more she looks to Thailand. Hehe.

« Last Edit: February 25, 2023, 03:39:53 am by taeyang »
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2023, 12:51:40 pm »
This is peak JohnVoightCar bait
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2023, 12:54:40 pm »


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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2023, 12:55:04 pm »
This is peak JohnVoightCar bait

I don't read his posts.

It's a valid question.

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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2023, 12:58:47 pm »
My honest opinion from observations is that many Korean people revel in being down in the dumps. Sadness just seems to permeate through Korean society, almost like a deep-seated part of their culture. Look at all the tears that are constantly being shed, and how TV dramas (mostly days gone by) are often depressing affairs. Kind of reflects the older crowd's mind-set. Glass half empty seems to be constant.
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2023, 01:00:08 pm »


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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2023, 01:08:40 pm »
My honest opinion from observations is that many Korean people revel in being down in the dumps. Sadness just seems to permeate through Korean society, almost like a deep-seated part of their culture. Look at all the tears that are constantly being shed, and how TV dramas are often depressing affairs. Glass half empty seems to be constant.

Yeah man. Korea's a dump. I visited Seoul for two days in December in 2018. It's the worst example of a concrete jungle I've ever seen. I'd be depressed if I lived there too.

Even the train museum sucked a**. Any of the really cool stuff was just a mock up. I would have liked to see a real KTX train. Nope. It's a fake. But the real thing is just a TGV knockoff amirite
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2023, 01:11:51 pm »
you guys are laying it on a bit thick here


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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2023, 01:12:10 pm »
Yeah man. Korea's a dump. I visited Seoul for two days in December in 2018. It's the worst example of a concrete jungle I've ever seen. I'd be depressed if I lived there too.

Even the train museum sucked a**. Any of the really cool stuff was just a mock up. I would have liked to see a real KTX train. Nope. It's a fake. But the real thing is just a TGV knockoff amirite

Don't get me started on the food...


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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2023, 01:21:04 pm »
My honest opinion from observations is that many Korean people revel in being down in the dumps. Sadness just seems to permeate through Korean society, almost like a deep-seated part of their culture. Look at all the tears that are constantly being shed, and how TV dramas (mostly days gone by) are often depressing affairs. Kind of reflects the older crowd's mind-set. Glass half empty seems to be constant.

I have noticed that. The dramas are egregious.

If you magically emptied out all the Koreans and replaced them
with say, Australians, would Korea still be at the bottom?

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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2023, 01:37:56 pm »

DiD YoU MaKe A ViSuAl RePreSeNtAtIoN Of a PoInT YoU WeRe mAkInG? U R ChILD.
I am a story without an equal;
The echoing void of a disaster
I am a smile drowning in tears
I am the silence at the end of your journey


Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2023, 01:46:27 pm »
My honest opinion from observations is that many Korean people revel in being down in the dumps. Sadness just seems to permeate through Korean society, almost like a deep-seated part of their culture. Look at all the tears that are constantly being shed, and how TV dramas (mostly days gone by) are often depressing affairs. Kind of reflects the older crowd's mind-set. Glass half empty seems to be constant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_(cultural)

I don't wanna badmouth my gf here too much, but man. The things she complains about sometimes. It's so specific and so dumb and it hasn't even happened yet. And it'll ruind her entire day.

Not the largest example (you will never get that) but one time she ordered a taxi to take us from SEoul Stn to a specific restaurant in Hongdae. She reserved a van for 5 people at a specific spot at a specific time. Well, lo and behold, it's 10 mins before pickup time. We are all there in the spot. And she's doing the constant looking around and freaking out. "Kevin, what if it doesn't come. What if he's late? We made reservations at the restaurant."

She's pacing, she's genuinely worried. Like, holy hell, calm down. Nothing bad has happened yet. We have 10 mins before YOU told them to come. F'in chill out.

No one knows how to ruin her mood like she does. The what ifs are so annoying. I mean, you could say "what if this happens" about anything at any given time EVER.

"What if the car in the other lane crashes head on into us."

"What if the bridge we're driving over colapses and we drown in the Han?"

"What if I got AIDS yday and I give it to you?

"What if someone kidnaps your daughter on the way home from art hakwon?"

It's endless but no one can live like that. It's not healthy. She was worried the other day and I asked her waht was wrong. Paraphrase: "What if the micropub/pizza restaurant we want to open in 5 years fails?"

Like............... is that gonna be in the front of your mind for the next 2000 days???? hahahahah I know I'm pretty chill and blase, but DAMN. Relax.

The upside is that I've become more responsible and she's chilled out a bit, but damn if she doesn't worry about everything and take it to heart.
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2023, 01:53:24 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_(cultural)

I don't wanna badmouth my gf here too much, but man. The things she complains about sometimes. It's so specific and so dumb and it hasn't even happened yet. And it'll ruind her entire day.

...

I assume your missus also freaks out and will even run if a few minutes "late" when meeting friends or even acquaintances.

Now, I'm a very punctual person, but when it comes to meeting friends or family, I don't care; 10 minutes is nothing. It's not like you're meeting the Queen or something.

Mine once made us run full pelt from a bus station because we were late for some appointment. She even started crying a bit. I don't even remember where it was we were going, it was literally that unimportant.


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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2023, 01:55:10 pm »

 I don't care; 10 minutes is nothing. It's not like you're meeting the Queen or something.


I think the queen is pretty chill these days.

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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2023, 01:55:43 pm »
I think the queen is pretty chill these days.

Yeah, but I'm not bothered about meeting Charles.


Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2023, 01:57:05 pm »
And the cleanliness of the house thing. Let me be clear that I don't want to have a dirty house. But unless it attracts mice/ants/roaches, then there's no need to have the BATTLE STATION ALARMS going.

A lot of people here act like the mayor is coming over for high tea in 20 minutes but they NEVER invite anyone over to their house. It's so bizarre.
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2023, 01:58:13 pm »
Aside from the obvious baiting and if people want a serious answer.

First, "happiness" surveys are pretty much junk.

https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/Problems-Measuring-Using-Happiness-Policy-Purposes.pdf
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. In short, (1) happiness is too vague and multifaceted a concept to define clearly and precisely; (2) even if it could be defined, it is an essentially qualitative concept that is difficult to quantify and measure with any confidence; and (3) even if it could be measured, designing and implementing policy based on happiness raises a number of ethical and political issues that cannot be solved by improving the science of measurement.

https://theconversation.com/happiness-is-the-metric-of-the-future-but-there-are-problems-with-how-we-measure-it-102611
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Some of the happiest nations, such as Finland and Denmark, also have high suicide rates, as reported in a new study, which set out to expose some of the contradictions in the Nordic dominance of global happiness league tables.

https://nypost.com/2017/03/22/that-world-happiness-survey-is-complete-crap/

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These surveys depend on subjective self-reporting, not to mention eliding cultural differences. In Japan there is a cultural bias against boasting of one抯 good fortune, and in East Asia the most common response, by far, is to report one抯 happiness as average. In Scandinavia, meanwhile, there is immense societal pressure to tell everyone how happy you are, right up to the moment when you抮e sticking your head in the oven. Longtime Scandinavian resident Michael Booth observes as much in his book on the subject, in which he points out that Danes and Icelanders ranked fourth and first in the world in use of antidepressants in an OECD survey. Booth, after living in Scandinavia for more than a decade, says that he抯 never met a Dane who really believes Danes are among the happiest people.
Granted, it's The Post, but it still pretty much encapsulates the problem with these survey's.

As mentioned there is a cultural bias against claiming to be happy. Also, there appears to be strong societal pressure for Westerners to claim they are happy, even when they are not and that also in the West "happiness" is seen as the ultimate objective. If you aren't happy you are seen as a failure.  Some people would say this attitude is rather childish. Is happiness really the ultimate thing to strive for?

There's also the fact that these surveys often clash tremendously with each other. You can get a heavily Nordic-leaning one. Or one that seems to heavily favor developing countries with really low standards of living.

My honest opinion from observations is that many Korean people revel in being down in the dumps. Sadness just seems to permeate through Korean society, almost like a deep-seated part of their culture. Look at all the tears that are constantly being shed, and how TV dramas (mostly days gone by) are often depressing affairs. Kind of reflects the older crowd's mind-set. Glass half empty seems to be constant.
Here's a question- What's wrong with sadness? Isn't sadness a part of having a healthy emotional outlook on life?

As far as TV and movies, one could say that a society whose recent trend is to make everything "dark" suggests a people who are sad. (And before you get upset at me for comparing to other countries, everyone here has already compared to other countries). It's not Korea that is making all its TV and movies dark, it is the U.S. 

One could say that what at one point was the American need to have every ending be happy and have music and such always be happy was indicative of a really immature emotional attitude and likely denial about the actual state of things.


Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2023, 01:58:55 pm »
And the cleanliness of the house thing. Let me be clear that I don't want to have a dirty house. But unless it attracts mice/ants/roaches, then there's no need to have the BATTLE STATION ALARMS going.

A lot of people here act like the mayor is coming over for high tea in 20 minutes but they NEVER invite anyone over to their house. It's so bizarre.

집게 on absolutely f'ing everything, ever.

And what's with putting cereal in the freezer? Is that just mine?


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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
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Re: Why is Korea always at the bottom of happiness indices?
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2023, 02:00:55 pm »
Aside from the obvious baiting and if people want a serious answer.

They don't. Nobody cares about the article either way.