Activists criticize local governments that cash in on bull fights

Two bulls weighing about 800 kilograms to 1.2 tons butt each other with
their horns. Their firm muscles are shaking. Their eyes are all bloodshot.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2023/02/371_345728.html

Just when I thought Koreans could not sink any lower on the animal welfare
scale, I see something like this.

Absolutely unbelievable.

They will never get rid of it, because its a legal form of gambling for Korean people. Categorized as a "folk game" to sidestep gambling laws.

Just when I thought Koreans could not sink any lower on the animal welfare
scale, I see something like this.

Seriously? You're putting Korea lower on the animal cruelty scale than Spain? The country that involves slaughtering a bull after slowly injuring it over an extended period vs. the one that can have the fight ended 0:01 into the fight because one bull just decides to run away?

Is it a great thing? Not really, but on the animal cruelty scale, having two bulls meet up in a paddock and they butt heads until one has enough and runs away is pretty low. I mean, what do you think two bulls do normally in the same paddock?

Like there's a lot worse sh*t people do with animals than this.  Like, you'd have to seriously have an agenda against Koreans to think that this somehow is exceptional and makes them "low on the scale". Any factory farm is crueler than this. Nutting a horse is crueler than this. Dogfighting is crueler. Cockfighting is crueler. Branding is crueler. Keeping birds in cages is crueler. Fat people riding horses is crueler. Whipping animals is crueler. You could go on and on over crueler things done to animals than this.

Seriously? You're putting Korea lower on the animal cruelty scale than Spain?

...and what does spain have to do with anything, exactly? this isnt a competition, spare us your usual whataboutism.

pitting two bulls to fight against one another for human amusement is cruelty to animals.

admit that.

dont bring up any other places that are also cruel to animals

just admit that this is animal cruelty.   

Wait a minute, hasn't he been advocating gun ownership for hunting in the other thread?

And we're not talking about advocating for Masai tribesmen who own a clapped out Mosin Nagant and literally need to hunt to survive, we're talking about fat old white dudes named Bert in Montana who live 5 miles from a Walmart shooting animals for fun.

...and what does spain have to do with anything, exactly? this isnt a competition, spare us your usual whataboutism.

Dude, specifically stated there was a "scale" that Korea was low on. Presumably this is relative to other countries.

Please, lets not pretend he wasn't trying to compare Koreans and trash them because of his own frustrations.

pitting two bulls to fight against one another for human amusement is cruelty to animals.

Ehhh....it's something less than cruelty, something worse than amusement.

It's something they normally do in the wild. It's something they'll do in any kind of confinement. Yeah, the fact that they're put in close proximity is a bit off, but the fact that the bull can run away and that ends it means that the animals do have agency in whether or not to fight.

You know that right? You know the match can end even before the bulls come in contact with each other, right? One can simply run away and that's it. No match,

I mean, this is one step away from deciding to get a second housecat, knowing there will be an inevitable conflict and catfight between at and the current cat.

Sorry, but this just isn't up there on animal cruelty. And if you're trying to act high and mighty over it, give me a f*cking break. This is more about looking for a reason to bash Koreans for OP in order to make himself feel better.

Wait a minute, hasn't he been advocating gun ownership for hunting in the other thread?

And we're not talking about advocating for Masai tribesmen who own a clapped out Mosin Nagant and literally need to hunt to survive, we're talking about fat old white dudes named Bert in Montana who live 5 miles from a Walmart shooting animals for fun.

I don't give a crap if someone hunts or not.

Dude, if you eat mass meat/eggs/cheese, which is pretty much everyone here outside of vegans, you are a wholesale enabler of animal cruelty that is far worse than any Korean bullfighting or any hunter trying to bag a deer. Spare the holier-than-thou attitude.

I don't give a crap if someone hunts or not.

Dude, if you eat mass meat/eggs/cheese, which is pretty much everyone here outside of vegans, you are a wholesale enabler of animal cruelty that is far worse than any Korean bullfighting or any hunter trying to bag a deer. Spare the holier-than-thou attitude.

I'm not the one saying it's cruel or wrong.

I'm not the one saying it's cruel or wrong.

I'm not saying it's right, just that...this is something really not that bad relative to some of other stuff out there, including stuff I myself enable by eating Taco Bell.

Ehhh....it's something less than cruelty, something worse than amusement.

It's something they normally do in the wild. It's something they'll do in any kind of confinement. Yeah, the fact that they're put in close proximity is a bit off, but the fact that the bull can run away and that ends it means that the animals do have agency in whether or not to fight.

You know that right? You know the match can end even before the bulls come in contact with each other, right? One can simply run away and that's it. No match,

I mean, this is one step away from deciding to get a second housecat, knowing there will be an inevitable conflict and catfight between at and the current cat.

Sorry, but this just isn't up there on animal cruelty. And if you're trying to act high and mighty over it, give me a f*cking break. This is more about looking for a reason to bash Koreans for OP in order to make himself feel better.

FOR FUCKS SAKE.   anything,  anything at all to defend koreans of any wrong doing.   its animal cruelty you disgusting monster.

marto,  you're abominable .

you refusal to believe that anything Korean can be bad is hysterical. In that, YOU are hysterical. You are exactly everyone's reasoning for their bias of Korean's and Korean attitudes. Stuburn, know it all, holier than thou, kowtow.

FOR FUCKS SAKE.   anything,  anything at all to defend koreans of any wrong doing.   its animal cruelty you disgusting monster.

FFS, why do you guys go out and look for stories about a Korean person doing something bad, then ascribe it to "Koreans" (Aren't the Koreans protesting it just as much part of the culture as the people engaging in it?), then post on here, all while doing jack about it. You aren't joining the protest. You aren't sending links for people to sign-up to, What exactly are you doing? NOTHING.

So spare me this "How dare you defend them!!!" Because lets face it- You don't give a sh*t about animal cruelty either. That's not what this is about for you. It's about two things- "Look at these awful Koreans, they suck." and "Blah blah blah DeMart blah blah blah".

Unless you're a vegan, get off your high horse.

marto,  you're abominable .

you refusal to believe that anything Korean can be bad is hysterical. In that, YOU are hysterical. You are exactly everyone's reasoning for their bias of Korean's and Korean attitudes. Stuburn, know it all, holier than thou, kowtow.

Again, why this standard of something a minority of Koreans engage in is "Korean"? Why do you generalize so easily about Koreans but don't about Westerners? It's about YOUR double standard.

Why am I like this? I don't know. Why did some people make an argument about my ethnicity and now claim I'm the one being biased? Seriously, some people on here are so blind to their own prejudices and why they're doing things.

"What's on waygook.org?"
"Constant posts about how Koreans suck"
 
"Wow, I can't imagine someone would object to that? They must have issues"

This isn't the first time he's defended animal cruelty and have tried to equate it to the food industry. All of the nuance gets lost in his heavily narcissistic brush strokes, as if we're not allowed to have lines and boundaries, lol.

Just an FYI, animal cruelty of this nature is linked to psychopathic tendencies and incredible callousness, all of which plays out against people over time, something DM has also defended in the past because it suited his argument at the time.

He's full of shit, this has long been established. Ignore him.

He’s got serious psychological problems. Still going untreated after a decade.

"What's on waygook.org?"

a story from a korean news paper.
written by a korean.
about an event in korea.
How the event is "traditional cultrue".
how the people are feeding these herbivore animals octopus and snakes because they believe it gives the bull "stamina".  We've all heard this one before right...  same reason the deer are penned up in cages here to harvest their horns,  same reason the national animal, the moon bear, is caged up and harvested for its bile, same reason that dogs are hung from trees in burlap sacks and beaten to death to spike their adrenaline. These are examples of KOREAN TRADITIONAL CULTURE...  and the quicker these dinosaurs who believe this shit die, the better. And anyone defending them can take a trip up to the mapo bridge,   which at this point, is probably also considered traditional korean cultrue.

a story from a korean news paper.
written by a korean.
about an event in korea.
How the event is "traditional cultrue".
how the people are feeding these herbivore animals octopus and snakes because they believe it gives the bull "stamina".  We've all heard this one before right...  same reason the deer are penned up in cages here to harvest their horns,  same reason the national animal, the moon bear, is caged up and harvested for its bile, same reason that dogs are hung from trees in burlap sacks and beaten to death to spike their adrenaline. These are examples of KOREAN TRADITIONAL CULTURE...  and the quicker these dinosaurs who believe this shit die, the better. And anyone defending them can take a trip up to the mapo bridge,   which at this point, is probably also considered traditional korean cultrue.

SPQR mines the newspaper for his latest "Koreans are awful" story he can post...why? Is he linking to any protest or petition? Seriously, why do YOU think he posted this story? Was it to raise awareness? Or was it to bash Koreans? Be honest.

Do you seriously think the average Korean has any connection to bullfighting in Korea? Do you think the average Korean is all up for this? This is like, the same thing as calling brushing every African-American with "gangsta" culture. It is what bigots do. And yes, if someone is like "African-Americans are so violent" it is fair game to point out how the highest death-producing wars have been by Asians and Europeans.

Seriously, have you even watched Korean bullfighting? It's two bulls butting heads and then one runs off after a bit. Like, anyone who has grown up on a farm has seen two bulls or two bucks or two rams do this.

Like, feeding a cat too much food so it becomes fat is more cruel than this.

Stop trying to manufacture outrage just so you can feel that you are better than Korean people.

Explain this- SPQR has been in this country for decades, yes?

Yet this is the first time he has raised the issue or is even apparently aware of it.

How widespread can this be and how much can this be "Korean culture" if someone who has lived here for decades had no f*cking clue about it until he stumbled across it in a Korea Times article?

Of course, anyone who isn't a dimwit or a bigot would notice this and realize that and add some nuance to the debate and tone down their outrage. Unfortunately, that isn't many of our posters.

I'm not big on Korean bullfighitng, but FFS, going all full outrage over THIS when there are other things is just ridiculous. It seems its more about it being Korean than about protecting animals for most people here.

Marty’s only foreign friends must be Koreaboos.