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...Or is that only okay for certain posters with certain viewpoints to do but not others?

Of course it is. You know that  ;D


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Of course it is. You know that  ;D

Yeah. Everyone knows that Korean supermarket haters get a free pass on comparison. That's right up there with Godwin's Law.


Of course it is. You know that  ;D
Well, fair enough.




You've got your work cut out for you here, Marty.

https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/1142p37/hey_im_currently_visiting_korea/
Lol, what's next as your "evidence"? twitter?

Regardless, this is a completely different claim- "I think Koreans are well-off" vs. "Koreans are obsessed with luxury goods."

Also, I don't know what makes this person think they're "well-off". For all they're thinking the mere sight of someone wearing a suit and not dressed like a total slob makes them think they're "well-off." I mean, to someone who grew up in a small town and then went to some liberal arts university in some college town, Seoul would seem "well-off" and luxury obsessed. On the other hand if you grew up in a big city or some well-off suburb, stuff here is pretty run-of-the-mill.

It's like the people wondering why apartments are so expensive. Basically just hang a giant neon sign on yourself that says "I know nothing about NYC."


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Lol, what's next as your "evidence"? twitter?



Wow, this from a guy that rarely provides any evidence at all other than his own bullsh*t anecdotes.  :laugh:


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13527266.2014.975830

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By applying motivational values of luxury consumption, this study examined the impact of cultural differences on young consumers' attitudes and purchase intentions toward luxury brands. With the use of survey data (N = 331 for South Koreans and N = 409 for Americans), the study provided support for the hypothesized moderating effect of three perceived values: conspicuous, social, and quality values. The perceived social value was found to influence attitude change favorably among young Korean consumers. The young American consumers tended to increase their attitudes and purchase intentions toward luxury brands if they perceived superior product quality. However, they were more likely to lower their purchase intention as they recognized conspicuous value of consuming luxury brands.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41291-022-00193-3

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Among the four perceived values of luxury goods, perceived individual value has the strongest influence on attitudes toward luxury goods among millennials in both countries. This confirms previous findings that the emphasis on individual value perceptions is increasing among Asian consumers (Burnasheva et al., 2019; Zhang & Zhao, 2019), like Korean millennials. In contrast to previous literature (Chattalas & Shukla, 2015; Shukla & Purani, 2012), this study reveals that individual value is much stronger among Korean than Dutch millennials. This means that Korean millennials’ individual value perceptions, like hedonism and materialism, are more crucial for influencing attitudes toward luxury goods than they are for Dutch millennials.


Perceived social value has the second strongest influence on attitudes toward luxury goods among millennials in both countries. This confirms previous findings that there is a strong need for social comparison among millennials (Ordun, 2015). Surprisingly, Dutch millennials’ attitudes toward luxury goods are more influenced by social value perceptions than Korean millennials’ attitudes. This disagrees with prior literature, as studies have found perceived social value to be more pronounced among Asians than Westerners (Faschan et al., 2020; Lee et al., 2018). Even though millennials from both countries strongly emphasize social value perceptions like status consumption and social treatment, Dutch millennials depict higher levels of perceived social value than Korean millennials (Nelissen & Meijers, 2011).

https://www.inderscienceonline.com/doi/epdf/10.1504/LRJ.2015.069803

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With  reference  to  the  psychological  antecedents,  the  results  show  that  Korean  and  German  consumers  differ  mainly  in  their  perception  of  statements  related  to  personal  integrity,  risk  aversion  and  variety  seeking.  More  than  Korean  respondents,  Germans  state that honesty, politeness, and responsibility are important human traits and agree that “there are ethical reasons against buying counterfeit luxury products”. Besides, German consumers  are  more  inclined  to  try  different  things  and  like  a  great  deal  of  variety,  whereas Koreans tend to be more risk-averse: They agree that they “would rather be safe than sorry” and “avoid risky things”.

Considering   the   context-related   antecedents,   Korean   consumers   are   more   than   consumers  in  Germany  personally  interested  and  highly  involved  in  the  domain  of  luxury.   In   particular,   Koreans   approve   the   statements   referring   to   the   social   and      status-related  aspects  of  luxury:  They  “like  to  know  what  brands  and  products  make  a  good impression on others” and prefer luxury brands that “match what and who I really am”  and  “help  to  make  a  good  impression  on  others”.  Against  this  backdrop,  judging  a  trade-off  between  genuine  and  counterfeit  goods,  Korean  consumers  admit  a  slightly  stronger  preference  for  the  counterfeit  alternative  than  Germans,  however,  certainly  not  in  terms  of  aspects  such  as  conspicuousness,  prestige  and  social  status.  Given  that  they  are  concerned  about  what  others  think  of  them  and  fear  negative  social  consequences,  Koreans  clearly  prefer  the  genuine  luxury  product,  whereas  Germans  attach  more  importance  to  functional  attributes  of  the  authentic  product  such  as  quality,  uniqueness,  and usability.

In  terms  of  behavioural  outcomes,  the  results  reveal  significant  differences  in  the  perception of Korean and German consumers to aspects of counterfeit risk perception and actual  shopping  behaviour.  Again,  Korean  consumers  emphasise  the  social  aspects  of  luxury  consumption:  More  than  Germans,  they  consider  buying  a  counterfeit  luxury  product  as  very  risky  and  “would  not  feel  very  comfortable  wearing  a  fake  product  in  public” because they are afraid that “people in my social environment do not appreciate counterfeit    luxury    goods”.    In    contrast,    German    consumers    more    agree    with        performance-related statements such as “if I bought a counterfeit luxury product, I would be  concerned  that  I  really  would  not  get  my  money’s  worth  from  this  product“  or  “the quality  of  a  fake  product  will  be  very  poor”.  Besides,  the  results  clearly  show  that  Germans  are  significantly  more  likely  than  Koreans  to  confess  that  they  have  already  bought  counterfeit  products  and  consider  buying  counterfeit  luxury  goods  in  the  future.  Reasoning  the  social  consciousness  of  Korean  consumers  as  stated  above,  one  might  assume  that  their  answers  to  the  behavioural  statements  might  be  influenced  by  socially  desirable response patterns.
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Link.
Link.

Link some more!

(Luxury goods is all about strangers liking us. We need people we haven't met to think well of us. We do.)
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Nice work budlight!
Now JonVoightCar got his research papers that he has been yearning for.


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You've got your work cut out for you here, Marty.

https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/1142p37/hey_im_currently_visiting_korea/

Lol, what's next as your "evidence"? twitter?


im pretty sure this was meant as more of a "haha, have fun arguing with this person, marty" joke rather than "evidence", lol.


Nice work budlight!
Now JonVoightCar got his research papers that he has been yearning for.

They each have some interesting conclusions-

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the study provided support for the hypothesized moderating effect of three perceived values: conspicuous, social, and quality values. The perceived social value was found to influence attitude change favorably among young Korean consumers. The young American consumers tended to increase their attitudes and purchase intentions toward luxury brands if they perceived superior product quality. However, they were more likely to lower their purchase intention as they recognized conspicuous value of consuming luxury brands.
According to the research, the conspicuous value was not an influence of attitude change in young Korean consumers. While the social value was, this was not related to conspicuousness.

It would be interesting to see what the methodology was. It appeared to use survey data. How were the questions phrased? How were they asked? Is there any social-desirability bias going on? While not dealing with Korea, this research did show a greater social-desirability bias in Canadians vs. Chinese. Is this a phenomenon that we would see replicated across topics and along certain geographical boundaries? https://www.jstor.org/stable/40294812

I would at the very least, have some questions over whether answers to purchasing luxury goods with things like "Functionality/Quality/Durability" by some respondents is in fact, social desirability bias. Are you really buying that Chanel bag for functionality? Those Gucci sunglasses for durability? Or are you saying those things so you don't sound like a jackass in saying "Because I want to be flashy/look good/"Yeah, I feel better when I wear fancy, expensive shit. So what?"

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Between 2021 and 2025, luxury goods sales in Korea are predicted to increase by 7.05% annually (Statista, 2020a), whereas the overall Asian luxury goods market is expected to have annual growth of 6.38% during the same period (Statista, 2020c). The Dutch luxury market is also predicted to grow by 6.54% annually between 2021 and 2025
Interesting both the Dutch and Koreans are expected to see significant luxury goods growth. Why aren't we talking about the Dutch and their conspicuous pursuit of luxury goods?

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Korean, Chinese, and German consumers consider the premium price tag on luxury goods to be worth the money (Choo et al., 2012; Faschan et al., 2020).

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Compared to Korean millennials, Dutch millennials are less likely to consider the perceived investment value before deciding on their luxury purchases. Even though Dutch millennials are big spenders on luxury goods (Winkelstraat.nl, 2021), resale value consciousness is less pronounced when purchasing luxuries.  This is because the Dutch are more attached to possession of material goods (Dawson & Bamossy, 1990; Sobol et al., 2018); hence, they are less likely to resell luxury goods on the secondhand market. More importantly, research has found that impulse buying strongly influences luxury consumption behavior among Dutch millennials (Winkelstraat.nl, 2021). In other words, Korean consumers emphasize the perceived investment value of luxury goods more than Dutch consumers do.
Wait a second? This doesn't fit the popular narrative amongst various types here on waygook.org

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Faschan et al. (2020) also found that German and Chinese millennials do not associate superior quality and durability with perceived functional values of luxury goods.
So...Germans aren't buying luxury goods out of functionality?

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Nonetheless, previous studies revealed that Western consumers place more emphasis on hedonism than Asian consumers do (Aliyev & Wagner, 2018). European consumers in general, like the Dutch and British, place a stronger meaning on individual value perceptions and materialistic goods than Americans and Asians do

Of course other research says other things. A bit interesting though....

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urnasheva et al. (2019) argued that Korean and Russian millennials are strongly focused on materialism, resulting in positive attitudes toward luxury goods. Also, Korean and Russian millennials have a strong desire to express their unique self-image and personality through the consumption and possession of luxury goods (Burnasheva et al., 2019).

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Thus, this research expects vertical individualistic values to be weaker than HI among Korean and Dutch millennials.
Interestingly both the Dutch and Koreans are more horizontal and less hierarchical than some other countries, such as the U.S., U.K., France, etc.

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The Korean sample has three types of respondents: those who were interested in luxury goods and purchased luxury goods (71.6%), those who were interested in luxury goods but did not have any purchasing experience (10.2%), and those who were not interested in luxury goods but purchased them (18.2%).

The Dutch sample has two types of respondents: those who were interested in luxury goods and purchased luxury goods (89.6%) and those who were interested in luxury goods but did not have any purchasing experience (10.4%). Unlike Korean millennials, Dutch millennials do not purchase luxury goods when they are not interested. Explanations for this could be that Koreans purchase luxury goods as a gift to others or that they purchase luxury goods for reasons other than interest.
Koreans actually have less experience purchasing luxury goods than the Dutch (I mean, basically the same, but it is there). But I thought they were more superficial and materialistic????? Shouldn't they be off the charts compared to the Dutch?

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Surprisingly, Dutch millennials’ attitudes toward luxury goods are more influenced by social value perceptions than Korean millennials’ attitudes. This disagrees with prior literature, as studies have found perceived social value to be more pronounced among Asians than Westerners (Faschan et al., 2020; Lee et al., 2018). Even though millennials from both countries strongly emphasize social value perceptions like status consumption and social treatment, Dutch millennials depict higher levels of perceived social value than Korean millennials

Anyways, there's a mountain to dissect here, but the previous research AND the results, should at the very least, warn us all against using stereotype and bias to influence our perceptions. Basically, most of the assumptions on here regarding Koreans vs. Westerners have either been challenged, shown context, or been outright challenged.

Keep an open mind. Maybe our perceptions about Koreans and Westerners are a bit skewed, possibly due to confirmation bias.
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lol, you actually read them?!


lol, you actually read them?!
Yes, I actually read. And if someone has some information to contribute, give it a glance (within reason).

"OMG, a literate university-educated adult decided to read to learn and check their assumptions. Ridiculous!"

Maybe if you read them, you might see that there's reasons to not fall into the traps of stereotype and bigotry which some here apparently do.


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lol, you actually read them?!

He read what he wanted to see.


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Yes, I actually read. And if someone has some information to contribute, give it a glance (within reason).

"OMG, a literate university-educated adult decided to read to learn and check their assumptions. Ridiculous!"

Maybe if you read them, you might see that there's reasons to not fall into the traps of stereotype and bigotry which some here apparently do.
Interesting considering that the Dutch are known for their thriftiness.


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Appearance and face?  Is this anything new in Korean society?
I still never got any previous warnings to make me muted.  I never got any reason for being muted.  I guess the moderators of this site are just fat loser assholes who do as they feel.  Just because they feel like it or were losing an argument.  Dumbass morons!!!


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Appearance and face?  Is this anything new in Korean society?



He read what he wanted to see.
You are free to offer a detailed rebuttal.

It is not my fault the research said what it ssid. I am not a relevant factor in its result.


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Interesting considering that the Dutch are known for their thriftiness.
A bit of an aside, but...

A lot of the tropes that the Anglosphere have about the Dutch can be traced back to the Age of Exploration where the Netherlands and Great Britain were competitors when at peace, or bitter rivals when directly at war.
Expressions like "dutch oven" "dutch uncle" "dutch treat" "dutch wife" etc all trickled into the English language during this period. Likewise the dislike for gin, and the various negative characterizations (like thriftiness, stubbornness, lascivious, etc) of "the Dutch people".

It's kind of similar to how the revival in the UK's and America's contempt for the French (tongue in cheek for the most part, but...)  stems from the perceived betrayal by France when it declined to support the (probably illegal) invasion of Iraq.
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