Bears kill two farmers

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20221209000475



It is always a tragedy when fatalities occur, but it is extremely difficult
to find any sympathy for people who treat animals like this and keep
them in these types of conditions.

Next time try some multivitamins instead of bear bile.

You are right it us sad, 3 bears killed. 

Rip bears

F the farmers

Really sad for the bears.

Really sad for the bears.

Indeed. Keeping bears in such small cages?

Orca are called "killer whales" because they eat seals, unlike other whales. But there are zero confirmed human deaths from orca in the wild, the apex predator of the oceans that hunt and kill great white sharks, dumb fish on the smart mammal's menu. Orca have killed humans when they have been CAPTIVES FOR YEARS IN A FRIGGIN POOL!

Violence is not only a single act on a particular day: life is violated when limited continually. As famously portrayed in film:
https://youtu.be/rGIY5Vyj4YM
"My life has value,... I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANY MORE!"

Indeed. Keeping bears in such small cages?

Orca are called "killer whales" because they eat seals, unlike other whales.

That's incorrect.  They are called killer whales because it is a mistranslation of Basque sailors who called them "whale killers", since they kill whales.  Other languages' names make it clear:
spækhugger (Norwegian), meaning blubber chopper
baleia assassina (Portuguese), or assassin whale
morwal (German), also translated to murder whale
polossatik (Aleut), meaning the feared one

Though it is true they eat seals, they also eat salmon, other fish, and also ... whales.

They went to a lot of trouble to construct those cages if they were keeping the bears as "pets" and not looking to make a profit off them.

Mr C, i know very well that orca kill whales (though hunt seals and sharks). My elementary school was across from the beach on northern Vancouver Island where i witnessed two orca driving a dolphin to shallow water and slaughtering it mere meters in front of me. I have never googled orca or killer whale because i grew up around them. I have canoed amidst the residents and have seen the more violent transients that come up from California regularly (seen safely from a bigger boat in deeper waters). The residents have preferred salmon and the transients have hunted more mammals, but ambitious fearless swimmers locally swam with both groups (this was a quarter century before the Internet). I returned to the town twenty years later to be the head editor of the town newspaper of David Black's, the newspaper tycoon of Western Canada who later offered me a beat reporter job at his then newly bought Honolulu daily but i stupidly turned it down because i was trying to reunite with my high school sweetheart.

Orca do eat seals a lot and have been said to be mislabed because of it. Now, in the last two decades with the Internet at your fingertips, you can find out history tidbits easily and quickly.

The point remains: orca are not a danger to humans in the wild. People swim with them. Dogs swim with them. They are intelligent and separate food from friends. We are not food to them. Just as we aren't food to any black bear. But get between it and its cub? Hurt it? Or captivate in a small cage for years? Then it's a different story, as it was with every recorded human death from orca.

The point remains: orca are not a danger to humans in the wild. People swim with them. Dogs swim with them. They are intelligent and separate food from friends. We are not food to them. Just as we aren't food to any black bear. But get between it and its cub? Hurt it? Or captivate in a small cage for years? Then it's a different story, as it was with every recorded human death from orca.

That's thanks to tens of thousands of years of adaptation and technological development.

Take that history and that tech away and humans absolutely become a meal for bears and whales.

I'm fairly sure that this video was posted at the time, but just in case...cool vid.

https://youtu.be/y8iipFTBanc

I'm fairly sure that this video was posted at the time, but just in case...cool vid.

https://youtu.be/y8iipFTBanc

Nice! I have seen four women swimming with wild orca.

To the black bear point. Huh? Technology?

That's thanks to tens of thousands of years of adaptation and technological development.

Take that history and that tech away and humans absolutely become a meal for bears and whales.

1. If you mean black bears naturally evolved to eat fruit and fish and lost the hunter instinct of their brown bear and polar bear breathren a million years ago, prehumanity, then yeah, you, I and science agree.
2. Whales that eat meat? Cows eat grass. Whales adapted to krill and algae. Some whales eat bigger fish, only a couple of the many species of whale would consider mammals as food, making "humans absolutely" a meal for whales puzzling. Maybe you are channeling feelings about sharks, those dumb fish - not mammals - who bite humans thinking we're seals, a simple punch to their nose confusing them enough to f off unless there is blood in the water and they go ravenously hungry instinct mad. ... Orca aren't in the least like that, nor the vast majority of other whales, with technology having nothing to do with it.

To wit, the black bears did not want to eat humans. But they wanted to be free, to defend themselves, to eliminate threats, to eat fruit, bugs and sometimes fish: certainly not hunting us.

We have a lot of black bears in Canada. No problem other than things like going into garbage cans for banana peels. I have as a 9 year old shooed them away yet waved at them in overhanging trees on my walk to elementary school.

To be clear: a single brown bear sighting is another matter. Either the police will come asap and kill it or it'll be darted by a vet and transported far away. That is a totally different animal. This thread is about black bears.

Oh man, I felt so sorry for the two boys in the water...they were absolutely shitting themselves, as you would be. The adults weren't all that confident either. All's good though.

As for the bears, I'm not glad they killed the farm owners (I did smirk though) but geez, they had already been fined once (a measly 3 million won) back in 2020 for operating an unlicensed farm. Nothing changes...nothing much is taken seriously. Now the bears are dead as well. Just watch, there will be a bit of teeth gnashing soon. Great! But people will still harvest bile and dogs will still be bashed, in these hidden farms. Sick really.

My students were talking about it this morning. Bar a couple of neutrals, they were not sorry at all over the owner's deaths ...'the bear's revenge for being locked up and having a crappy life', as one young lady put it.

There are several stories of elephants getting revenge for attacks on themselves or deaths of loved ones. They certainly have long memories, returning to the site of a beloved's death over a decade later.

One account stands out of a long-haired blonde guy who shot a young elephant's mom. Decades later, locals still knew that young elephant by name, a gentle wild animal tribes lived nearby to. Then one day that elephant suddenly, uncharacteristicall y charged and trampled to death a European visitor: he had long blonde hair. The elephant was excused its behavior given its history.

I am curious about these orca so-called "whales." How do they attract mates? Do they whistle? Or just wag their tails a certain way?

They certainly have long memories, returning to the site of a beloved's death over a decade later.

That elephant's name? Albert Tuskenstein.

I am curious about these orca so-called "whales." How do they attract mates? Do they whistle? Or just wag their tails a certain way?

So called?

You know their close cousins, dolphins are whales, too? They are closer related to dogs than fish, though your tail-wagging query is still odd.

So called?

You know their close cousins, dolphins are whales, too? They are closer related to dogs than fish, though your tail-wagging query is still odd.

They're more dolphin than whale. Anyway, thanks to the ignorance displayed by the members on this site when it comes to the common orca, I was forced to conduct my own highly-intensive research. When attempting to attract mates, they slap tails, so I was half right anyway.

You are correct Orkblut. Orca are in the dolphin family, not whale.

Lessons hopefully learned:

1. Black bears don't hunt or eat mammals, and usually avoid humans.
2. Orca do not hunt or eat humans, are one of the most intelligent species, hunt fish (eat thousands of great white sharks yearly) and even other whales like dolphins.
3. There are far more recorded human deaths from pet dogs than from all black bears and orcas combined. (This is a horribly great understatement. Ugh.)

Lessons hopefully learned:

1. Black bears don't hunt or eat mammals, and usually avoid humans.
2. Orca do not hunt or eat humans, are one of the most intelligent species, hunt fish (eat thousands of great white sharks yearly) and even other whales like dolphins.
3. There are far more recorded human deaths from pet dogs than from all black bears and orcas combined. (This is a horribly great understatement. Ugh.)

No. 3 contradicts 1 unless what you really mean is that black bears kill humans but don't hunt them.

For example: "Predatory attacks on humans by black bears are extremely rare, but experts are offering insight as to how some of them may start after a woman was killed in Canada by a black bear while searching for her dogs."

"Human remains were found in the stomachs of two black bears suspected of killing a woman in southwestern Colorado, state wildlife officials said."

unless what you really mean is that black bears kill humans but don't hunt them.

Did i stutter?

I have seen countless black bears in Canada (30-40+) growing up, but only felt fear and ran away when i've seen cubs (knowing how defensive their moms are). I was in Grade 6 elementary when my dad told me to go outside and shoo away the black bear in our garbage (orange peels? apple pie crumbs?). I shooed it away, with less sense of danger than from the neighbor's dog.