World cup 2022- hide yo wife, hide yo beers

For all those who aren't sports fans:

1. Ttump helped killed the USFL when he owned a team: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/13255737/five-things-know-donald-trump-usfl-experience

2. Ergo, if he bought a soccer team (probably impossible for him afford these days, but a man can dream), he'd likely have the same success and could take down a soccer league.

3. As stated above, I'm no soccer fan. There were four, count 'em four, great football games on yesterday, plus college basketball for those so inclined. Who needs soccer?

1. Send Trump to Russia
2. Let him hang out with his billion oligarch friends
3. He will talk his way into becoming CEO of Gazprom
4. He ruins the company
5. ???
6. Profit!

Watching Belgium versus Morocco now. As a Canadian I'm hoping Belgium wins. If they're going to win the group, it's better for Canada if they don't let their opponents take any points.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/29/football/qatar-world-cup-migrant-worker-deaths-spt-intl/index.html

Over 400 migrant laborers have died to bring you these world cup games

:O

I'd say the attendees should pour one out for em, but alas, no booze 

An unfortunate end for Canada. Hope they can make an appearance next time.

any word of the guy who ran across the field with a rainbow flag and shirt that said "respect for Iranian Women"  as well as "Save Ukraine"?  has he been decapitated yet?

I've seen that guy online before



 

They won’t call me a woman!!!!

Said from atop 400 dead workers

I've seen that guy online before

I mean, sure, but you gotta have a bit of respect for the guy: at least he had the courage to do something that drew (more) attention to the current thing on a world-wide stage despite knowing that he very well could spend the next decade or so in a Qatari prison (or much worse).

Either that or he was a complete idiot (which isn't something one can completely rule out at, you know, a football match  )

you gotta have a bit of respect for the guy

Don't tel us how to feel, especially from a privileged mod position.

I mean, sure, but you gotta have a bit of respect for the guy: at least he had the courage to do something that drew (more) attention to the current thing on a world-wide stage despite knowing that he very well could spend the next decade or so in a Qatari prison (or much worse).

Either that or he was a complete idiot (which isn't something one can completely rule out at, you know, a football match  )

What's great is his actions really changed a lot of minds.

Don't tell us how to feel, especially from a privileged mod position.

You'll feel respect for that tosser *right now* else I'm telling Taeyang on you! 

What's great is his actions really changed a lot of minds.

Well, I mean, it's nice to see some guy running out into the field with his clothes on for once.  This guy changed my mind about the average football hooligan's ability to dress himself. 

But seriously, many movements are catalyzed by single events, and it can be very difficult to pinpoint what that catalyst will be. For example, I doubt that the guy arresting Mr. Floyd guessed what his actions would unleash.

There are also threshold effects where enough isolated incidents will accrue until a critical mass is reached and the issue explodes.

Not saying soon-to-be-disappeared-in-qatar-guy will have a similar effect, but it *is* possible, which is why people keep doing stuff like this, I guess.

You'll feel respect for that tosser *right now* else I'm telling Taeyang on you! 
Well, I mean, it's nice to see some guy running out into the field with his clothes on for once.  This guy changed my mind about the average football hooligan's ability to dress himself. 

But seriously, many movements are catalyzed by single events, and it can be very difficult to pinpoint what that catalyst will be. For example, I doubt that the guy arresting Mr. Floyd guessed what his actions would unleash.

There are also threshold effects where enough isolated incidents will accrue until a critical mass is reached and the issue explodes.

Not saying soon-to-be-disappeared-in-qatar-guy will have a similar effect, but it *is* possible, which is why people keep doing stuff like this, I guess.

There's some mass of as yet unleashed support for Ukraine? And I doubt Gulf State women are about to unleash mass protest as long as their daughters are going to fancy unis across the globe, they're living comfortably and can spend an afternoon lounging in a Doha mall drinking Jamba Juice while the Pakistani maid cleans up.

There's some mass of as yet unleashed support for Ukraine? And I doubt Gulf State women are about to unleash mass protest as long as their daughters are going to fancy unis across the globe, they're living comfortably and can spend an afternoon lounging in a Doha mall drinking Jamba Juice while the Pakistani maid cleans up.

You should see what's happening in Iran right now. There's an anti-clergy movement going on, especially among university aged women. The movement is in its infancy, and may yet be crushed, but on the other hand, it may also pick up momentum and result in a regime change. I'm hoping for the latter, but unfortunately I won't be holding my breath. 

There's some mass of as yet unleashed support for Ukraine? And I doubt Gulf State women are about to unleash mass protest as long as their daughters are going to fancy unis across the globe, they're living comfortably and can spend an afternoon lounging in a Doha mall drinking Jamba Juice while the Pakistani maid cleans up.

Remember this, JohnVoightCar?

From what I understand while there are a lot of rich people in the Gulf States and a pretty extensive social safety net, the notion that everyone there is RICH is a stereotype, yes? We'd need to look at specifics but does it dramatically outpace the social safety nets of the most progressive countries of Europe?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=125660.msg900858#msg900858

Remember this, JohnVoightCar?

https://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=125660.msg900858#msg900858

Yes. In fact I remembered it as I was typing above. Considering domestic service is within the reach of middle class Qataris and Emiratis, as are such things as an overseas education, a single-income household and Jamba juice.

Outside of the domestic service, much of what I've described still applies to a fair number of middle class Korean households.

You should see what's happening in Iran right now. There's an anti-clergy movement going on, especially among university aged women. The movement is in its infancy, and may yet be crushed, but on the other hand, it may also pick up momentum and result in a regime change. I'm hoping for the latter, but unfortunately I won't be holding my breath. 

I doubt any Persians who could afford the trip to Qatar for the World Cup are going to be strong opponents of the regime and the status quo and I doubt Iranian state media is going to show highlights of that. Also, the economic status of people in Iran vs. the Gulf states is radically different. The ongoing protests are certainly interesting, but as you said, I'm not holding my breath either.

Yes. In fact I remembered it as I was typing above. Considering domestic service is within the reach of middle class Qataris and Emiratis, as are such things as an overseas education, a single-income household and Jamba juice.

Outside of the domestic service, much of what I've described still applies to a fair number of middle class Korean households.

So if you want to use their wealth in an argument, it's fact. If I want to use their wealth in an argument, it's a stereotype. Good to know.

I doubt any Persians who could afford the trip to Qatar for the World Cup are going to be strong opponents of the regime and the status quo and I doubt Iranian state media is going to show highlights of that. Also, the economic status of people in Iran vs. the Gulf states is radically different. The ongoing protests are certainly interesting, but as you said, I'm not holding my breath either.

Right, but the message isn't for the Iranian people, per se. It's probably directed in part as a show of solidarity, but I think it's more to draw the attention of a global audience (because sport event that draws a loooooot of viewers) to what's happening there. I mean, Iran seems to have been pretty indifferent to sanctions etc in the past, but every bit counts, I guess. 

Right, but the message isn't for the Iranian people, per se. It's probably directed in part as a show of solidarity, but I think it's more to draw the attention of a global audience (because sport event that draws a loooooot of viewers) to what's happening there. I mean, Iran seems to have been pretty indifferent to sanctions etc in the past, but every bit counts, I guess. 

The global audience that thought Iran was a great place for women's rights and freedom of protest until now?