60% of Koreans want to ditch Korea

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/02/281_284051.html



Those in their 30s were the most positive age group to the idea, with 66
percent of respondents interested in escaping from what they called "hellish reality."



But with various "exit" ideas in mind, 70 percent of respondents said their ideas would end up being in their mind ―
primarily because it would be difficult to find a new job overseas (48.2 percent).



I think the real reason they don't split is they can't speak English and would
be absolutely lost in another country.

I'd be curious to know if that figure is the same now after everything that's happened (article is nearly 3 years old).

I think the real reason they don't split is they can't speak English and would
be absolutely lost in another country.

Imagine thinking "Another country" and thinking that means 1) Speaking English and 2) The barrier is speaking and not immigration restrictions, cost of movement and employment.

You know who thinks like that? Someone who was born into English, has an ethno-centric view of the world, and whose career and overseas life has been enabled by being lucky enough to be born into English and having job opportunities out there that tale care of those barriers with requirements being any college degree and a pulse.

Imagine thinking "Another country" and thinking that means 1) Speaking English and 2) The barrier is speaking and not immigration restrictions, cost of movement and employment.

You know who thinks like that? Someone who was born into English, has an ethno-centric view of the world, and whose career and overseas life has been enabled by being lucky enough to be born into English and having job opportunities out there that tale care of those barriers with requirements being any college degree and a pulse.

Your woo-woo post in the other thread was spot on imo.

Imagine thinking "Another country" and thinking that means 1) Speaking English

"North America was the favorite destination (45 percent), followed by Australia, New Zealand, Guam or Hawaii (37.4 percent)"

82.4% of respondents who want to to leave want to go to English-speaking places.

"North America was the favorite destination (45 percent), followed by Australia, New Zealand, Guam or Hawaii (37.4 percent)"

82.4% of respondents who want to to leave want to go to English-speaking places.

First choice doesn't mean only choice. I doubt they'd poopoo Germany or Denmark.

I'd be curious to know if that figure is the same now after everything that's happened (article is nearly 3 years old).

After what happened?

First choice doesn't mean only choice. I doubt they'd poopoo Germany or Denmark.

I suspect that the reason for this bias is because the respondents do speak English to an extent that would make it easier for them to immigrate to English-speaking places. I don't think they're not emigrating because they can't speak English. Anyway it's pretty much a negligible sample size.

First choice doesn't mean only choice. I doubt they'd poopoo Germany or Denmark.

Dude, do you see Germany in the article? You are 100% wrong here. Man up,
admit your mistake and then keep your trap shut.

I suspect that the reason for this bias is because the respondents do speak English to an extent that would make it easier for them to immigrate to English-speaking places. I don't think they're not emigrating because they can't speak English. Anyway it's pretty much a negligible sample size.

Also lends to the idea that they're picking places based on familiarity as well. Having English as part of their curriculum growing up, they'll have been exposed to different aspects of English-based cultures and countries a lot more, too.

Dude, do you see Germany in the article? You are 100% wrong here. Man up,
admit your mistake and then keep your trap shut.

North America was the favorite destination (45 percent), followed by Australia, New Zealand, Guam or Hawaii (37.4 percent), Northern Europe, such as Denmark, Sweden, and Finland (28.7 percent), Western Europe, including France, the U.K. and Germany (21.9 percent) and Southeast Asia, such as Vietnam, Thailand and Singapore (16.2 percent).

Dude, do you see Germany in the article? You are 100% wrong here. Man up,
admit your mistake and then keep your trap shut.

Germany is mentioned in the article as part of Western Europe, which accounts for a total of about 21%. Still, there's a heavy bias in favor of English-speaking places.

Germany is mentioned in the article as part of Western Europe, which accounts for a total of about 21%. Still, there's a heavy bias in favor of English-speaking places.

Not overwhelming. Between Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland that's a solid chunk. I also doubt they'd say no to Belgium, The Netherlands, Austria, etc. (Or Ireland) and that lack of inclusion is more due to familiarity and limited answers than English.

There might also be some weather factors at play, especially given that Guam and Hawaii are their own specific answers. I'd caution against reading too much into results given answers such as those. I mean, that's one step away practically from Monaco, Dubai, Vegas, Ibiza, etc. And two steps away from Narnia and the Planet Risa.

Not overwhelming. Between Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland that's a solid chunk. I also doubt they'd say no to Belgium, The Netherlands, Austria, etc. (Or Ireland) and that lack of inclusion is more due to familiarity and limited answers than English.

They probably were included in the original survey. The author is just giving us a summary. It would have been nice if he had provided the actual questions and data, but I guess most people wouldn't want to read that far.

They probably were included in the original survey. The author is just giving us a summary. It would have been nice if he had provided the actual questions and data, but I guess most people wouldn't want to read that far.

Yeah it would have been nice to have a link and to see the survey on detail. Quedtion already seems like it might be push poll-y.

Regardless, concluding that someone isn't moving to Hawaii or Guam because of English is pretty ridiculous.

LOL!

This thread makes me think of a certain  movie, in which a certain actor commented on Koreans in the U.S selling their overpriced fruit. 

Good times.

I have asked most homeroom teachers at my school if they would consider moving out of Korea and all of them said they would if their English was better. I have also asked my Korean friends I've met at bars and all of them also said they want to leave Korea too. The homeroom teachers I've asked all said they want to move to the US. 2 out of my 5 Korean friends said they want to move to Australia with the rest wanting to go to the U.S. The reasons for my friends wanting to move out is due to competition from peers and the 빨리 빨리 culture. For my co-workers, they want more money and think the US can provide a more comfortable life.

Yes, cutting through all the meaningless crap and bad modding of the above
posts brings us back to this.

Imagine thinking all it takes to move to the U.S. is having decent English skill....

You know in order to move to America/Australia/etc. you need to procure some kind of employment. This isn't exactly the easiest thing. You have to beat out a lot of people or have some significant financial assets. You can't just have a random degree from Southwest Seokcho University and a pulse and move over to teach Korean. Also, English skill isn't exactly what helps you out with moving to Denmark/Germany/France/Finland/etc.

As someone who knew lots of Korean immigrants back home, you really need to have your ducks in order, which means you were likely already doing pretty well over in Korea to begin with, likely better than 85% of the people. If you don't, you soon realize that the fantasy of what life in another country is like does not match the reality.

How am I supposed to manage my infallible beliefs?
While I'm sockin' it to ya
Performing in Spanish on Italian TV
Sometime in the future
Whilst wonderin' if your mother still ever thinks of me

I just started wearing socks again this week. Nice little white ones that come up to just above my ankles. I do look cute in them