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A scorcher
« on: September 22, 2022, 08:46:32 am »


Re: A scorcher
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2022, 09:08:15 am »
I was going to post something on the "When Will Trump Get Arrested?" thread about the cycle that will inevitably unfold now that civil charges for fraud have been filed against the Trump family, and criminal charges are clearly in the pipeline.

1. It's not a crime.
2. If it's a crime, then it's a small one.
3. If not's not a small one, there's no precedent for prosecuting people for it.
4. If there is such a precedent, Hunter Biden's laptop.

Interesting that you jumped straight to 4.

Will also be interesting to see what path Martino / JVC takes. I'm going with something like, "The layman's understanding of asset valuation makes it look that Trump committed fraud, but that's only if you know nothing about tax law, sophisticated accounting mechanisms, shell company asset shielding, and risk assessment in the insurance and loan industry. If you seriously think that every business bar the Trump Organization is entirely honest about the exact valuations of its assets..."

But maybe he'll surprise us?
Who let the dogs out?

- Mitt Romney


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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2022, 09:13:02 am »
I was going to post something on the "When Will Trump Get Arrested?" thread about the cycle that will inevitably unfold now that civil charges for fraud have been filed against the Trump family, and criminal charges are clearly in the pipeline.

1. It's not a crime.
2. If it's a crime, then it's a small one.
3. If not's not a small one, there's no precedent for prosecuting people for it.
4. If there is such a precedent, Hunter Biden's laptop.

Interesting that you jumped straight to 4.

Will also be interesting to see what path Martino / JVC takes. I'm going with something like, "The layman's understanding of asset valuation makes it look that Trump committed fraud, but that's only if you know nothing about tax law, sophisticated accounting mechanisms, shell company asset shielding, and risk assessment in the insurance and loan industry. If you seriously think that every business bar the Trump Organization is entirely honest about the exact valuations of its assets..."

But maybe he'll surprise us?

OK...circular nonsense has spoken...who is in the bull-pen?


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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2022, 09:33:55 am »
It's already been established..the connection(s) between Hunter, dodgy Chinese nonsense, his dad and his laptop....


...where are all of the "objective" Waygook philosphes? 


Oh wait....they are  Democrats....right. ..forgot (slavery, kkk, j. c. laws, killing babies, sending  Japanese-American citizens to detention camps, illegal wars, etc. ....)


Again...who's in the bullpen, besides gohomegators, after he confers with his intellectual equal, below?

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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2022, 09:41:49 am »
The Triple M's are conferring with each other now....


Re: A scorcher
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2022, 09:55:02 am »
Who let the dogs out?

- Mitt Romney


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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2022, 10:03:52 am »
^....right, well...if bud was ever a great beer, I wish you good luck on the advertising.  It's like..."Make Democrats Great Again...though, they were the party of slavery, civil war, the kkk, jim crow laws. killing babies, dodgy wars...and on and so forth"....

Hey you know...perhaps the Democratic Party should pay reparations to African Americans?  After all, their down fall was and is, their idea.

Anyway....who's is next in the bull pen?


Re: A scorcher
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2022, 10:21:46 am »
I was going to post something on the "When Will Trump Get Arrested?" thread about the cycle that will inevitably unfold now that civil charges for fraud have been filed against the Trump family, and criminal charges are clearly in the pipeline.

1. It's not a crime.
2. If it's a crime, then it's a small one.
3. If not's not a small one, there's no precedent for prosecuting people for it.
4. If there is such a precedent, Hunter Biden's laptop.

Interesting that you jumped straight to 4.
Uhm, I have to point out that civil charges mean, by definition, that no crime has taken place, hence why there is civil court and criminal court. Thus, 2, 3 and 4 are all not applicable.

The civil charges are pretty much an indication that the AG lacked sufficient evidence to support a criminal filing and thus are resorting to civil court where there is a lower standard.

I don't know if there is precedence for this kind of case and whether the amount requested is likely to be awarded. I also don't know what the appeals process is and the chances that this whole thing could get squashed before, during or after trial. Then there will be the process of trying to extract whatever money they can from Trump.

Regardless, this is going to go on for awhile. Anyways, it's civil court. Whatever. Trump loses, who cares?

I'm not sure, but this might be a problem...

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/james-lawsuit-trump-longstanding-battle-00058128
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During that campaign, she made it clear that Trump would be her top target — remarks that have left the former president, a New York native, stewing ever since.

“I will never be afraid to challenge this illegitimate president,” James said in a video during the campaign. “I believe that this president is incompetent. I believe that this president is ill-equipped to serve in the highest office of this land. And I believe that he is an embarrassment to all that we stand for.” She went on to say Trump should be indicted on criminal charges and charged with obstruction of justice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62986812
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citing remarks she made before being elected as attorney general in 2018 in which she vowed to sue Mr Trump and branded him an "illegitimate president".

Anyways, as to whether what he did regarding valuation of property and tax stuff was standard or not, I don't know. If I had to guess, not unprecedented and likely had stood up to legal challenge (or modest fines) in previous cases, but probably not standard practice either and really pushing the envelope.


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Re: A scorcher
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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2022, 10:34:50 am »



Fair, humours and in good taste...well played.

Wait..is that Will Smith?
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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2022, 11:25:14 am »
Uhm, I have to point out that civil charges mean, by definition, that no crime has taken place, hence why there is civil court and criminal court. Thus, 2, 3 and 4 are all not applicable.

The civil charges are pretty much an indication that the AG lacked sufficient evidence to support a criminal filing and thus are resorting to civil court where there is a lower standard.

Even the articles you linked point out that the case has been referred to criminal prosecutors. That's why I said a criminal case was "in the pipeline". And no, criminal and civil charges are not mutually exclusive. You can go to jail for killing someone in a drunk driving accident and get sued in civil court by the victim's family.
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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2022, 12:44:28 pm »
From the AG's statement:

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2022/attorney-general-james-sues-donald-trump-years-financial-fraud

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This conduct was in violation of New York Executive Law 63(12), which gives the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) special and broad powers to go after persistent and repeated fraud and illegality, which in this case includes violating other state laws prohibiting the submission of false financial statements, the falsification of business records, and the commission of insurance fraud.

As a consequence of these violations, OAG is seeking, among other relief, to: 1) permanently bar Mr. Trump, Donald Trump, Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any New York corporation or similar business entity registered and/or licensed in New York state; 2) bar Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization from entering into any New York real estate acquisitions for five years; 3) award disgorgement of all financial benefits obtained through the persistent fraudulent practices, estimated to total $250 million.

In conjunction with the lawsuit, OAG has referred the matter to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) for criminal investigation.

The whole document is certainly worth a read. Even if only half of it were valid (say, he only scammed $125 million, or half the inaccurate asset valuations were honest mistakes), there'd still be a strong case for criminal fraud.

Who let the dogs out?

- Mitt Romney


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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2022, 12:52:03 pm »
Is Trump still under IRS audit?


Re: A scorcher
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2022, 07:15:25 pm »
Even the articles you linked point out that the case has been referred to criminal prosecutors. That's why I said a criminal case was "in the pipeline". And no, criminal and civil charges are not mutually exclusive. You can go to jail for killing someone in a drunk driving accident and get sued in civil court by the victim's family.
I should have clarified at present. You're right.


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Re: A scorcher
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2022, 09:23:27 pm »
Triple M's just can't handle it.