Busan's drive for English as 'common language' rolls on despite protests

You're right, I should be more forgiving. He just hasn't been the same since Javier left and he no longer has trysts down by the river.   

Finding love can be a real challenge for people like hangook. So to have found it and then lost it can be quite traumatic. It gets worse in winter when the bed can feel so cold without Javier's warm body next to him. Luckily, hangook's above average salary allows him to keep the heat turned up high overnight. But inflation is coming for even him. And when it catches up to him, it might be time to join Javier in China.

So Javier is his ex and he's a professor in China?

Professor ex-Javier?

A professor in the same sense as most ESL teachers that land a mcjob at a university, who then call themselves 'Professor' and iron elbow patches onto all of their jackets.

Of course, he won't see this post because I'm blocked. But I hope he knows I only wish the best for him.

knowing hangook theres no doubt in my mind that seeing all these blocked posts pop up probably infuriates him more than if he simply just left us unblocked, lol

A professor in the same sense as most ESL teachers that land a mcjob at a university, who then call themselves 'Professor' and iron elbow patches onto all of their jackets.

Yeah, it always amazes me how many ESL Instructors here at a Uni gig refer to themselves as a professor. Kind of reminds me of when I got a part-time job as a candy striper at a hospital one summer and insisted my friends call me Dr. Augustiner. 

Monday is my high school day, so I come in at 9 and leave at 5. At 4.30 when it was purged the only people online were me and kyndo, and the usual suspect wasn't in sight so... 

Cleaning up every time hangook has a hissy fit is why he continues to act like a spoiled and entitled toddler.
Also, agree with everything august said.

Sleuthed!
Yes, I deleted a bunch of stuff, and I would've gotten away with it too had it not been for those pesky highschool teaching posters with more sense (and time) than I normally would give credit for!
I also agree with what Auguster said as well. Hmm. Maybe they ought to make him a mod. I'll put his name in. Divide and conquer divide and conquer divide and conquer...

But seriously. Soooooo much TOS breakage. Had to give it a mop and hand out a couple warnings. Need to earn my keep, right?

Edit: I read that as "candy stripper" the first time around, and nearly withdrew my recommendation.

Edit: I read that as "candy stripper" the first time around, and nearly withdrew my recommendation.

Candy Stripper was FoilingAjumma's nom de plume when she paid her way through uni at a place called The Brass Rail on Yonge St.

Yeah, it always amazes me how many ESL Instructors here at a Uni gig refer to themselves as a professor. Kind of reminds me of when I got a part-time job as a candy striper at a hospital one summer and insisted my friends call me Dr. Augustiner.

Is that a reflection of the "professors" or the institutions that hire them?

Is that a reflection of the "professors" or the institutions that hire them?

I would say more so the "professors."  You don't get hired at a university back home and just call yourself a professor.  That is something that is earned.  Common knowledge. So, why they think they can bestow that title upon themselves here because they have a one-year contract that clearly states ESL Instructor, I don't know.  It's not like the university is calling them professor.  And what the students call you is meaningless.  I've seen a few people that I know are not professors that list "professor" on Facebook for occupation. 

Candy Stripper was FoilingAjumma's nom de plume when she paid her way through uni at a place called The Brass Rail on Yonge St.

Started at The Atherley Arms in Orillia then graduated to Zanzibar. Brass Rail wanted 9s, I'm an 8. 

Started at The Atherley Arms in Orillia then graduated to Zanzibar. Brass Rail wanted 9s, I'm an 8. 

Their loss, I'm sure. 

I would say more so the "professors."  You don't get hired at a university back home and just call yourself a professor.  That is something that is earned.  Common knowledge. So, why they think they can bestow that title upon themselves here because they have a one-year contract that clearly states ESL Instructor, I don't know.  It's not like the university is calling them professor.  And what the students call you is meaningless.  I've seen a few people that I know are not professors that list "professor" on Facebook for occupation.

OK, OK...I see your point.

But again, these folks were simply hired.  If a uni in Korea is giving an E-2 visa...does that not make a line in the sand between a lowly E-2?

I see your point, though. 

As another thread is chirping...Korea does not want foreigners in their pure blood system.  ESL/EFL is a necessary evil to them.  If ESL in Korea (and other countries) was not treated in the same manner as the customer service industry, which it unfairly is (and reduces the reputability of market as a whole..by design), would anyone feel different about the situation?  If public schools actually made English a class that students had to pass, would it feed up to university? 

perhaps...the fact that not many people in the world care so much about the Korean language as they do English, is what bothers the Korean psyche.  After all, they have BTS and..who else, Hot Pink?  Then again, Western ( at the very least, American) education is such a shite-show, perhaps there is no longer a need to have any respect for English.  Perhaps French should take its place, as the lingua franca?  I would not opposed to that.  But, Koreans would be faced with the same dilemma....one has to practice..(and French sounds sooooo much better).

Anyway, I see your point.  But, if someone can slide his/her way into a university position and skate by, giving out cany and playing the role of "charmer"....by all means, profess away.  ESL is not that hard, nor is it linguistics.  Practice, it takes....not jazz hands and sparkle fingers (yet, more women continue to get hired for those two reasons).

Anyways....waygook professors.  Right...well....if you can get in, go get it.  But, don't rely on conscious to say "While teach at a university, I'm NOT a professor.I just work there.". 

The title often times gets one laid.

OK, OK...I see your point.

But again, these folks were simply hired.  If a uni in Korea is giving an E-2 visa...does that not make a line in the sand between a lowly E-2?

I see your point, though. 

As another thread is chirping...Korea does not want foreigners in their pure blood system.  ESL/EFL is a necessary evil to them.  If ESL in Korea (and other countries) was not treated in the same manner as the customer service industry, which it unfairly is (and reduces the reputability of market as a whole..by design), would anyone feel different about the situation?  If public schools actually made English a class that students had to pass, would it feed up to university? 

perhaps...the fact that not many people in the world care so much about the Korean language as they do English, is what bothers the Korean psyche.  After all, they have BTS and..who else, Hot Pink?  Then again, Western ( at the very least, American) education is such a shite-show, perhaps there is no longer a need to have any respect for English.  Perhaps French should take its place, as the lingua franca?  I would not opposed to that.  But, Koreans would be faced with the same dilemma....one has to practice..(and French sounds sooooo much better).

Anyway, I see your point.  But, if someone can slide his/her way into a university position and skate by, giving out cany and playing the role of "charmer"....by all means, profess away.  ESL is not that hard, nor is it linguistics.  Practice, it takes....not jazz hands and sparkle fingers (yet, more women continue to get hired for those two reasons).

Anyways....waygook professors.  Right...well....if you can get in, go get it.  But, don't rely on conscious to say "While teach at a university, I'm NOT a professor.I just work there.". 

The title often times gets one laid.

Crap..I think I just...did my own quasi shaggy dog story.

Dam you, V.I...

OK, OK...I see your point.

But again, these folks were simply hired.  If a uni in Korea is giving an E-2 visa...does that not make a line in the sand between a lowly E-2?

The title often times gets one laid.

I don't begrudge anyone working at a university.  Some people love the huge vacation time.  But. most people I know that work at one of the ones near me say they teach English at ...... University.  Only a couple actually refer to themselves as professor.  They also seem to spend a lot of time alone.  So, I am not sure about the getting laid part.  On that note, my current paramour is 15 years my junior.  She thinks I'm an astronaut and a famous reclusive author. 

Crap...I think I just...did my own quasi shaggy dog story.

I think that, with only a teeny tiny bit of editing, you could make it an epik shaggy dog poem!

OK, OK

these folks were simply hired...
A lowly E-2... is chirping....
their pure blood.... is a necessary evil ...
Korea customer service industry unfairly reduces the reputability of anyone...
public English students feed up the university... 
perhaps...

what bothers the Korean psyche?  BTS and Hot Pink...
education is such a shite-show,..
perhaps...

 there is ... respect for English...
Perhaps the French would not oppose that...
But French sounds anyway...
perhaps...

someone can slide his/her way into a position...
a role of "charmer"....
profess away!...
Practice, it takes....
jazz hands and sparkle fingers ...
get hired for those two reasons...
Anyways....waygook.
Perhaps.

Right...well....if you can get in, go get it!
relying on conscious to say "I just work there."...
often times gets one laid.
perhaps.

Started at The Atherley Arms in Orillia then graduated to Zanzibar. Brass Rail wanted 9s, I'm an 8. 

oh shit bud.  how do you know about the atherley?  road trips to rama? or are you from the area? My parents used to live a 3 min drive from there when i was in uni. (edit,  think ive got an idea now)

oh shit bud.  how do you know about the atherley?  road trips to rama? or are you from the area? My parents used to live a 3 min drive from there when i was in uni. (edit,  think ive got an idea now)

My uncle would always take us up to Washago to his cottage. The Atherley was pretty unmistakeable. Like an old British cottage.

Anyway............. ... you have an idea lol?? Why I know a gentleman's club?????? 

I think that, with only a teeny tiny bit of editing, you could make it an epik shaggy dog poem!

Hmmm...that's clever.  It's like a shaggy dog story, narrated by Yoda (or David McCullough).

Damn, keep it to the America threads. It's boring to read.

Now that would be a productive use of the mods' time.  Limit the thread spillover.