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  • Bakeacake
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Re: What sport player outcompetes all?
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2022, 01:14:47 pm »
And for you hockey fans...my biased selection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uYzRGfkcDw

oh man, hockey has to be down to Pavel Datsyk, and maybe Ovechkin just in terms of offence.


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  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: What sport player outcompetes all?
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2022, 11:46:40 am »
Hard to beat Wayne Gretzky as the most prolific athlete ever. He dominated the NHL and set records that it appears will stand forever.

However, this guy, Ken Dryden, was a monster. I saw the Habs play dozens of times in this era and watched Dryden rip my heart out too darn often. His autobiography is the best sports book I have ever read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCIEwsLagTM


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Re: What sport player outcompetes all?
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2022, 04:39:27 pm »
Hard to beat Wayne Gretzky as the most prolific athlete ever. He dominated the NHL and set records that it appears will stand forever.

However, this guy, Ken Dryden, was a monster. I saw the Habs play dozens of times in this era and watched Dryden rip my heart out too darn often. His autobiography is the best sports book I have ever read.
I am torn here.

Dryden is my first sports hero ever. I in grad school happened to be in Ottawa during a Sens-Leafs playoff game and walked past a huge long line of autograph seekers and asked him "May I simply shake the hand of my first hockey hero?" ... The giant turned... (i at 6'1 am small next to him: he is 6'3, or more in my eyes)... and said "sure" and shook my hand, his bear paw enveloping my hand. I left satisfied, flabbergasted and the crowded line irritated.

That said, Hasek is by far the better goaltender, full stop. (I criticized Hasek for years and years before admitting it. I was no fan. But i was in awe. Like Brady in football. GTFOOH. UGH.)

https://youtu.be/v33scL_htFQ

Gretzky? I played defense and Coffey i tried to comp my game after (tried and failed but he was the idol), but it was clear Gretz was the man. I stopped junior hockey in 1984. I thought Gretzky the greatest EVER until i grew up and read some history. Gee, there was hockey before my time, imagine that, and while one had heard of a Bobby Orr, the biggest revelation was the perfect hockey player according to Scotty Bowman, the greatest coach in hockey history: GORDIE HOWE. Gretzky chose #99 for his jersey to double up Gordie's #9. Gretz had the greater peak during a higher scoring era but Gordie's career was the Himalayas: 20 consecutive years of top-5 scoring. 20 years! No one comes close.

Still... I tell you. That monster Hasek ain't human. I loathe Detroit and never cheered for Buffalo or the Czech Republic (his Olympic victory we try to forget - Gretzky hung his head cuz the coach never gave him a chance, choosing 5 other shooters that failed to beat Hasek).

https://youtu.be/90XXMTJJAMU

Hasek has the best save percentage in NHL history despite a long career, bad defenses in Buffalo, and zero technique: he does nothing right except stop the puck. Imagine a teenage Spiderman or character Gumby in net. That he was. For two decades.

The best 5 hockey players ever: 1. Howe 2. Gretzky 3. Orr 4. Lemieux 5. Hasek .... the first four are chalk (feel free to re-arrange the chairs of the three at the front).

Note:
I have been on HfBoards since '04 (Hockey Futures Board), the by-far #1 hockey discussion board. I, VanIslander, have 30,000+ posts and 5,000+ likes (and likes were only added a couple of years ago). One of my biggest hobbies over the last 20 years in South Korea has been reading 300+ hockey history books, and posting nuggets from them (i bought 180 books in one haul from a landlord in Saskatchewan, i mining through his 1000+ collection to get those i was thirsty to read (this was pre-smartphone: nowadays i can tap into university archives online).

If ever in jail or on the beach with no phone or resources in sight i could easily - easily - make a top-1000 all-time hockey player list, and provide specifics for each. I have been doing all-time drafts on HfBoards for 18 years. If books or history were still popular, i'd cash in, i guess. I lost my desire to publish a long time ago. Paper ain't where it's at anymore.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2022, 09:42:52 pm by VanIslander »
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  • Spliced
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Re: What sport player outcompetes all?
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2022, 09:57:11 am »
Hasek-suk?

Come on...the guy was over-glorified.  He is/was certainly not on par with the likes of Roy, Osgood, or even Belfour..possibly even Cujo. He is a pitty-case....

Get over the fantasy...because that is all it is.  All he did, was make flopping great again.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2022, 11:55:41 am by Spliced »


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Re: What sport player outcompetes all?
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2022, 11:43:13 am »
From VanIslander:

The best 5 hockey players ever: 1. Howe 2. Gretzky 3. Orr 4. Lemieux 5. Hasek .... the first four are chalk (feel free to re-arrange the chairs of the three at the front).


I'm a lucky man. I've seen all 5 play live. Gordie was with the Hartford Whalers in the WHA at the time and played on a line with his 2 sons, Mark and Martie. I first saw Gretzky play in the Quebec City PeeWee hockey tournament during the winter carnival. He was front page news as a 12 year old.

Although Gretzky has the unbeatable records, in my opinion the greatest hockey player ever was Orr.