Assaulted in 2021

A guy attacked me in the park at night for not wearing a mask. This is/was LEGAL, there is no mask mandate of you can maintain 2m of space. This was the law ALL through the pandemic. It was my friend and I looking for cats and those three guys drinking soju about 35M away.

His two friends left and he came over to us and told me to put my mask on. I told him to **** off. We're outdoors in a giant park at 1AM, you were well far off drinking and now you wanna come over here and start shit. I told him no and to fukk off.

He took a swing and I fought back. And I fight dirty. Why? Because I don't start fights. He came up for NO reason starting shit and when I didn't play ball he assaulted me so I beat the snot out of him (not endangering him or actually leaving any lasting shit, let me be clear). I'm very, very happy I had a witness and that he was drunk. He even said when he hobbled off, "****, I'm drunk, I can't go to the cops."

I left with nothing, he had a black eye and some sore testicles. (Again, it's dirty, but how about not attacking random people for nothing?)

I took no pleasure in that fight. I cried afterwards when I got home and the adrenaline wore off. But we need stronger protections for people who are assaulted for no reason. I'm LUCKY nothing happened to me. But it could have and that is REALLY absurd to me. I get assaulted for being alone in a park by some drunk guy for not wearing a mask when he wasn't wearing one 4 mins prior? **** that. Why should I get in trouble? And why, if I'm being assaulted, should I just cover my face and hope for the best?

Didn't you already post this or someone else did?  I remember reading this same story a while back verbatim....

Was this last night/recently?

Last summer. My only fight of my life. Why are people so terrible? Just leave people alone.

To be fair, I'm Mr. Mask on the train, in a store. I'll shame people like no one's business. But outside? When you didn't have a mask on 5 mins ago?

남성기 먹어.

That's messed up.  Glad you didn't get hurt, got some shots in and cops weren't involved. 

It does bring to mind what my dear departed grandmother always used to tell me, though. "If you're going to go out looking for cats, make sure to be in before the witching hour."  Words to live by. 

It was near your house, actually. Just SW of the station near STATION NAME학교.

Yeah, I've been attacked several times, one time while I was with another Korean (idiot didn't realize she was Korean, he'd assumed that she was just another foreigner because why would a Korean spend time with a foreigner, lol?).

Obviously doesn't count the times that I've been touched or grabbed in general, talking about the instances where it either started off violent or escalated into violence.

Every single one of those times, I was out minding my own business and doing nothing wrong. All of the perps were men, most of them were at various levels of drunk, but a couple of them were sober. I never involved the police because every single one of my experiences with the police here have been negative. They don't take anything that I have to say seriously and generally get pissed off if I "bother" them.

I was never seriously injured, thankfully, and always gave back worse than I took because most of these fuckers really don't expect a woman to know how to defend herself. Only ever did enough to get away, though.

Yeah, I've been attacked several times, one time while I was with another Korean (idiot didn't realize she was Korean, he'd assumed that she was just another foreigner because why would a Korean spend time with a foreigner, lol?).

Obviously doesn't count the times that I've been touched or grabbed in general, talking about the instances where it either started off violent or escalated into violence.

Every single one of those times, I was out minding my own business and doing nothing wrong. All of the perps were men, most of them were at various levels of drunk, but a couple of them were sober. I never involved the police because every single one of my experiences with the police here have been negative. They don't take anything that I have to say seriously and generally get pissed off if I "bother" them.

I was never seriously injured, thankfully, and always gave back worse than I took because most of these fuckers really don't expect a woman to know how to defend herself. Only ever did enough to get away, though.

In Korea you definitely can't be passive sadly with anything.  When Koreans including police try to avoid doing work, sometimes you have to yell and raise your voice and get pushy.  They seem to thing politeness and restraint is a sign of weakness and then try to walk all over you or avoid you.  You should yell at them if they are not taking you seriously and call them racist to their face asking why they are ignoring you?  I have called a couple of folks racist before and it shocked them. Sometimes you do have to go scorched earth here and show you aren't a pushover. I really don't like being that way, but sometimes in Korea it seems the only way to get anything done.  Otherwise folks will avoid "work" period. 

I don't know anything about your situation though but I have found that with many Koreans here.  Lazy, avoid work, etc.  That said, many folks here have also been very kind, helpful, and gone above and beyond as well.  Anyways, as a female, if you take take Jiu JitSu and Kickboxing (Muay Thai) but especially Jiu Jitsu (if the real deal) and ask for specific help with women's self defense, that can help down the road with creepy pervs getting too close. 

Glad you made it out unscathed. When it comes to drunk idiots and jerks, they aren't owed fair fights. You're there to finish the fight as efficiently and as effectively as possible, not engage in some duel or whatever. Save fair fights for the ring or amongst (hopefully still, after) friends.

I've mentioned it before (probably back in the ether of Dave's) but my first year here I got attacked by some drunk, possibly semi-homeless ajosshi while playing basketball who thought I was Japanese. His punches were so flimsy, I didn't even hit back.

Second time was at a club, some drunk SE Asian tourist guy in HD was so drunk he was half fighting half the bar, but was moving through everyone so fast that those he swung at didn't even have time to react before he'd already become unreachable because of the people. I saw him coming but before I could get one of my friends out of the way, he hit her (didn't hurt her). I slammed his ass to the ground and put him in a rear-naked choke (hooks in- He would have been done fast, not that this was some great accomplishment- he was gone) but the bouncers came and broke it up. At first they blamed me but the stream of people all pointing at him started to give them pause, which was all interrupted by him fighting the bouncers outside the bar (mind you this is in POURING rain), including him trying to swing some kind of GS sign hanger at the bouncers. After getting pushed to the ground a half dozen times, his friends somehow find him and are about to grab him when he takes off. I chill and have a smoke outside and me and my friends all wait for the rain to calm down to catch a cab or make the first subway (it was LATE- near sunrise). His friends are left stranded there trying to figure out what is going on when 5~10 minutes later, the dude comes prancing back in the rain, high as a kite, and wanting to dance and party. At which point his gf/sister starts to fight him and beat the crap out of him in the street, in the downpour, while 1/4 of the bar looks on in utter bewilderment.

The final time, I got pummeled trying to break up a fight between my friend's BF and some dude and his chick that just brewed up out of nowhere and consisted of me inbetween absorbing fists, them both disengaging and running off with the girls and me left bewildered in the street and having a random street soju with some Finnish and some Eritrean guy trying to figure out what happened, then us sharing subway beers on the first train out.

Anyways, as a female, if you take take Jiu JitSu and Kickboxing (Muay Thai) but especially Jiu Jitsu (if the real deal) and ask for specific help with women's self defense, that can help down the road with creepy pervs getting too close.

Muay Thai is just going to escalate things, require a whole nother class and potentially play into any advantages the attacker has.

In the end, the wisdom of no longer being in one's youth says-
1) Avoid dangerous situations in the first place
2) Summon help (Don't be above calling the staff and then the police. Someone calls you a coward for calling the staff or cops? Who gives a shit? The staff and cops are there to protect people like me from people like you.
3) Run/Let them "win" (You're right dude, the Yankees DO suck).

All of these are far preferable to getting in a physical altercation. In the end, it just isn't worth it. If you want to feel tough and not a pushover, join a boxing gym where they have people and safety equipment.

Glad you made it out unscathed. When it comes to drunk idiots and jerks, they aren't owed fair fights. You're there to finish the fight as efficiently and as effectively as possible, not engage in some duel or whatever. Save fair fights for the ring or amongst (hopefully still, after) friends.

I've mentioned it before (probably back in the ether of Dave's) but my first year here I got attacked by some drunk, possibly semi-homeless ajosshi while playing basketball who thought I was Japanese. His punches were so flimsy, I didn't even hit back.

Second time was at a club, some drunk SE Asian tourist guy in HD was so drunk he was half fighting half the bar, but was moving through everyone so fast that those he swung at didn't even have time to react before he'd already become unreachable because of the people. I saw him coming but before I could get one of my friends out of the way, he hit her (didn't hurt her). I slammed his ass to the ground and put him in a rear-naked choke (hooks in- He would have been done fast, not that this was some great accomplishment- he was gone) but the bouncers came and broke it up. At first they blamed me but the stream of people all pointing at him started to give them pause, which was all interrupted by him fighting the bouncers outside the bar (mind you this is in POURING rain), including him trying to swing some kind of GS sign hanger at the bouncers. After getting pushed to the ground a half dozen times, his friends somehow find him and are about to grab him when he takes off. I chill and have a smoke outside and me and my friends all wait for the rain to calm down to catch a cab or make the first subway (it was LATE- near sunrise). His friends are left stranded there trying to figure out what is going on when 5~10 minutes later, the dude comes prancing back in the rain, high as a kite, and wanting to dance and party. At which point his gf/sister starts to fight him and beat the crap out of him in the street, in the downpour, while 1/4 of the bar looks on in utter bewilderment.

The final time, I got pummeled trying to break up a fight between my friend's BF and some dude and his chick that just brewed up out of nowhere and consisted of me inbetween absorbing fists, them both disengaging and running off with the girls and me left bewildered in the street and having a random street soju with some Finnish and some Eritrean guy trying to figure out what happened, then us sharing subway beers on the first train out.

But fighting in Korea is dangerous due to the fact the cops will charge the foreigner and often not the Korean especially if you defend yourself.  That's why you have to be careful with fighting back.  Plenty of racist ajosshis deserved a good punch to the head years ago, but the race favoritism held you back but barely.  Sometimes, you took a chance no witnesses or cameras, but even then small town everyone back in the day would know who you are and their word would always be believed over yours.  Also depends on how much you are willing to argue and push back in some cases.  Some older Koreans would yell and get emotional while the foreigner talks quietly and rationally.  Big mistake as it was perceived as weakness.  Back in the day, it was whoever screamed the loudest and made the biggest scene (most emotional) who seemed to get their own way in any kind of legal dispute.  Though much of that has reduced itself in recent years. 

Muay Thai is just going to escalate things, require a whole nother class and potentially play into any advantages the attacker has.

In the end, the wisdom of no longer being in one's youth says-
1) Avoid dangerous situations in the first place
2) Summon help (Don't be above calling the staff and then the police. Someone calls you a coward for calling the staff or cops? Who gives a shit? The staff and cops are there to protect people like me from people like you.
3) Run/Let them "win" (You're right dude, the Yankees DO suck).

All of these are far preferable to getting in a physical altercation. In the end, it just isn't worth it. If you want to feel tough and not a pushover, join a boxing gym where they have people and safety equipment.

I don't think Chinguetti was out looking for a fight.  As a female she needs more and not less.  I mostly emphasized Jui Jitsu for holds and grappling especially someone stronger and larger.  But a good kick to a couple of sensitive areas may allow a girl enough distraction to get the hell out of there.  Obviously, the trick is to quickly know him off balance then get the hell out of there.  Don't stay and fight to the death. 

But fighting in Korea is dangerous due to the fact the cops will charge the foreigner and often not the Korean especially if you defend yourself.  That's why you have to be careful with fighting back.  Plenty of racist ajosshis deserved a good punch to the head years ago, but the race favoritism held you back but barely.   

The vast majority of cases I've seen or heard from friends where they were legit attacked out of the blue, the Korean cops were very sympathetic and handled things fine. The vast majority of cases where people I know claimed racism began with the phrase "So we were out drinking..." and when you really press them for details you either hear something outright that puts them in the wrong at some point OR you get a bunch of indicators that there is more to the story than they're letting on (and often if you talk to the non-arrested friend, you get a completely different version of the story). There are exceptions, but there is often a strong Rashomon effect.

The vast majority of cases I've seen or heard from friends where they were legit attacked out of the blue, the Korean cops were very sympathetic and handled things fine. The vast majority of cases where people I know claimed racism began with the phrase "So we were out drinking..." and when you really press them for details you either hear something outright that puts them in the wrong at some point OR you get a bunch of indicators that there is more to the story than they're letting on (and often if you talk to the non-arrested friend, you get a completely different version of the story). There are exceptions, but there is often a strong Rashomon effect.

No, some folks were attacked and they fought back and defended themselves and they were charged and had to pay blood money.  It's also why some ajosshis felt a sense of entitlement to walk up to Korean women on a date with a western guy back years ago and call them "whores" and "race traitors", etc.  (I don't think this happens too much anymore though I am sure there may still be the odd case.) 

Don't forget how you and Orleans like to play with each others....

I'll f**k a guy. So what? I'll F**K EM ALL.

Oh, it's "other" btw. Or other's.

Let's see. In one day you've said
"hussle"
"10 hours a week AND 2 hours a day"
"others"

Ladies and Gentlemen, this man is teaching your child English. 

But fighting in Korea is dangerous due to the fact the cops will charge the foreigner and often not the Korean especially if you defend yourself.  That's why you have to be careful with fighting back.  Plenty of racist ajosshis deserved a good punch to the head years ago, but the race favoritism held you back but barely.  Sometimes, you took a chance no witnesses or cameras, but even then small town everyone back in the day would know who you are and their word would always be believed over yours.  Also depends on how much you are willing to argue and push back in some cases.  Some older Koreans would yell and get emotional while the foreigner talks quietly and rationally.  Big mistake as it was perceived as weakness.  Back in the day, it was whoever screamed the loudest and made the biggest scene (most emotional) who seemed to get their own way in any kind of legal dispute.  Though much of that has reduced itself in recent years. 

This. Racism is ALIVE and WELL in Korea and cops are fantastically racist.

You can get into real legal and financial trouble here for assault.

As a female she needs more and not less.

The utility of learning multiple martial arts for one situation vs. other areas that could help you out throughout life is dubious at best. The good thing about BJJ/Judo/etc. is you can get a baseline of semi-decent competency and muscle memory and natural instinct reasonably quickly and easily. It also doesn't require you to be in top physical condition or a physical specimen to be able to use it to buy some time. Muay Thai requires a lot more and also requires good physical condition.

It would likely be much more useful to just play soccer and stay in shape and make friends than spend on Muay Thai if all you're looking for is a kick to the groin. This doesn't just apply to women, but people in general. The vast majority of people don't need to take anything except a basic grappling/self-defense class.

This is the same mentality as doomsday preppers. You're overfocusing on one extreme situation and solutions to that vs. much more likely situations and more efficient solutions.

You can get into real legal and financial trouble here for assault.

*self-defence

*self-defence

Good luck with that.

No, some folks were attacked and they fought back and defended themselves and they were charged and had to pay blood money.  It's also why some ajosshis felt a sense of entitlement to walk up to Korean women on a date with a western guy back years ago and call them "whores" and "race traitors", etc.  (I don't think this happens too much anymore though I am sure there may still be the odd case.)

This is what you know from your undoubtedly large circle of friends and clearly active social life? Or is this something you read on the internet that began with the phrase "So we were out in Hongdae when..."

Also, the entitlement to shit talk someone in an interracial relationship is a lot bigger than Korean police racism. Interracial couples all over the world get it. What, you think as an Asian dating white and black women it was just "Good for you sir! Thumbs up!" Not shit talking or weird ass jokes/comments (even from people who clearly weren't trying to be aggressive, just uncomfortable and unfamiliar).

Luckily I never have actually had to use violence here or anywhere the last 25+ years. I think it helps being 6ft and a solid 200 pounds, but I’m generally overly polite and aware of my surroundings. I’ve been challenged to fight once here by a pretty big korean dude, for being with a korean woman, but I just politely declined. He accused me of being a tough guy while we were at his business (no alcohol involved for me).

Now having said that I’ve made peace with the fact I’m willing to sit in a prison cell for 10-20 years to defend my family. Hopefully I never have to face that reality. Even self defense here is no defense.


Also I believe it was in Daegu a few years back young dudes would accuse a random foreigner of assaulting them to get blood money, the police were only too happy to oblige.