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  • Anor Londo
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The Future of EFL Survey
« on: November 24, 2022, 08:50:57 pm »
Hello,

I'm collecting data on perceptions of the future of the EFL industry. I am interested in how instructors view their vocation in light of the recent changes caused by the pandemic and the rise of remote teaching. This post is a call for participants who are teaching EFL and are part of the EFL industry in South Korea.

Here's the link: https://forms.gle/ibBAPrt51qASEyTW8

Thank you.



Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2022, 09:09:39 pm »
Real question: why do academics spend so much time studying "perceptions" instead of what's actually happening in education? You know our perceptions of this issue are utterly irrelevant, right?
« Last Edit: November 24, 2022, 09:19:48 pm by Billy Herrington »
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Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2022, 09:39:02 pm »
Real question: why do academics spend so much time studying "perceptions" instead of what's actually happening in education? You know our perceptions of this issue are utterly irrelevant, right?

The study investigates how EFL teachers perceive the future of their vocation. The questions were designed to give the participants an account of their current job experiences.

I don't think you believe that your perception is irrelevant. Participating in this forum and expressing your views suggests you have a privileged account of your point of view. If it were otherwise, you would have stayed silent or done something else with your time.


Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2022, 09:57:34 pm »
The study investigates how EFL teachers perceive the future of their vocation. The questions were designed to give the participants an account of their current job experiences.

I don't think you believe that your perception is irrelevant. Participating in this forum and expressing your views suggests you have a privileged account of your point of view. If it were otherwise, you would have stayed silent or done something else with your time.

You think we have a "privileged account"? You think Hogwon owners care what we think? Maybe you should ask some hogwon owners because they're the ones who are closer to the driver's seat here. And yes, I do think my perception of the future is ESL is irrelevant to the future of ESL. I am curious, however, as to why education academics spend so much time studying perceptions instead of reality.
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Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2022, 07:19:58 am »
You think we have a "privileged account"? You think Hogwon owners care what we think? Maybe you should ask some hogwon owners because they're the ones who are closer to the driver's seat here. And yes, I do think my perception of the future is ESL is irrelevant to the future of ESL. I am curious, however, as to why education academics spend so much time studying perceptions instead of reality.

I would guess that we're a good audience to survey because we have a lot of experience in the field, and because posters on waygook obviously have the time and inclination to type about it.  :smiley:

Not trying to put words in OP's mouth, but I would guess that our perceptions are important in that what we experience and relate to our friends, acquaintances, youtube followers etc can influence how others perceive the ESL industry in our area, and might influence the number of esl applicants that want to teach in South Korea or whatever.
   It's also a way to measure how the industry is doing (albeit using secondary data) from a POV that has very different biases compared to those that traditionally compile data (ie governments, POEs, hagwon unions etc).

Also, with enough survey data, discrepancies between existing official data and data collected about teacher perceptions will become evident, and those might be very interesting to look at, and examine what the underlying causes of those discrepancies might be.
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Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2022, 07:56:38 am »
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The study is an examination of teachers' perceptions of the systemic challenges facing EFL in Korean higher education.

OP what is this for? Who is your target? What is your thesis (presumably) on?  The blurb at the top says its to gather our perceptions on Korean higher education. What insight are you hoping to gain from us? For non-university teachers, why would our views matter? Do you have any quality controls? Half the posters on this forum left Korea and/or Korean education behind already. How will you differentiate former from current teachers? A lot of users have outdated, warped or parroted-from-social-media views. Will you recognize and represent those in your results?

Tons of people come by and drop a link to vague and similar surveys and never elaborate on them. Introduce it and yourself properly. And buy me a coffee if you want my time. :wink:


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Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2022, 08:21:01 am »
In a nutshell, countries that are rising economically and that need or want English for trade or export will want to expand the knowledge of English for their kids.  First informally by some of the public, then later by the government or politicians looking to jump onto a bandwagon.  Then, some others that have been at it for a long time drop their wages and increase their demands eventually causing an exodus of many teachers, though a small number continue being hanger oners.  Japan was the first country to do this and now Korea and maybe Taiwan?  But Korea is probably more so than Taiwan.  Stagnant pay and wages plus increasing rules are changing what the ESL industry was here.  Vietnam is an up and comer though not quite where it needs to be yet.  They need to start doing housing / housing allowance and flights and be more consistent rather than pay all over the place.  But it will probably get there as demand grows.  If you can find a job paying 2200 USD and up it can be a good deal.  China is the best in Asia nowadays, though covid has thrown a wrench into things there.  As for online teaching, that's strictly against Chinese rules and many foreign after school academies are facing restrictions in that market from what I hear. 

One thing I should add is that many East Asian countries love exams and so many kids will need to pass English exams along with other subjects and many companies will also have English itnerviews of their own which drives the deamnd for English perhaps artificially?  Though some countries like Japan are content to live through translators even though English is taught in school. 
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Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2022, 08:59:44 am »
I printed out your survey to take (I don't trust google) and it gave me a paper cut. Why did you hurt me? Also give me your home address so I can return it in person. Completed, slightly sanguinary.


Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2022, 12:31:32 pm »
OP what is this for? Who is your target? What is your thesis (presumably) on?  The blurb at the top says its to gather our perceptions on Korean higher education. What insight are you hoping to gain from us? For non-university teachers, why would our views matter? Do you have any quality controls? Half the posters on this forum left Korea and/or Korean education behind already. How will you differentiate former from current teachers? A lot of users have outdated, warped or parroted-from-social-media views. Will you recognize and represent those in your results?

Tons of people come by and drop a link to vague and similar surveys and never elaborate on them. Introduce it and yourself properly. And buy me a coffee if you want my time. :wink:

I'm a bit new here so I am curious. How many of them study real stuff and how many of them study "perceptions" of stuff that have zero bearing on said stuff? I once wrote an essay on the benefits of peer editing. Most of the research I found was about how students "perceived" peer editing rather than the actual outcomes of it. Occasionally I would find one or two articles that compared standardized test scores before and after conducting peer editing, but they were incredibly rare. Most researchers I found just focused on feelings.
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Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2022, 06:41:41 pm »
OP what is this for? Who is your target? What is your thesis (presumably) on? The blurb at the top says its to gather our perceptions on Korean higher education. What insight are you hoping to gain from us? For non-university teachers, why would our views matter? Do you have any quality controls? Half the posters on this forum left Korea and/or Korean education behind already. How will you differentiate former from current teachers? A lot of users have outdated, warped or parroted-from-social-media views. Will you recognize and represent those in your results?

Tons of people come by and drop a link to vague and similar surveys and never elaborate on them. Introduce it and yourself properly. And buy me a coffee if you want my time. :wink:

I'm writing about EFL teachers' perceptions of their industry. Initially, the study was restricted to university instructors, but the sample size was limited. I decided to expand the sample size, took a risk, and asked for volunteers on this site. As for the limited amount of description, I did not, and I still don't want to say too much because I don't want to influence what people will say.

With that said, I'm not here to judge your views. I collect and gather your opinions. Afterward, I analyze trends and construct themes for a possible paper.


Re: The Future of EFL Survey
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2022, 12:14:38 pm »
I'm writing about EFL teachers' perceptions of their industry. Initially, the study was restricted to university instructors, but the sample size was limited. I decided to expand the sample size, took a risk, and asked for volunteers on this site. As for the limited amount of description, I did not, and I still don't want to say too much because I don't want to influence what people will say.

With that said, I'm not here to judge your views. I collect and gather your opinions. Afterward, I analyze trends and construct themes for a possible paper.

Can you tell us which university you're with, and/or which faculty you're in, and maybe what kind of journal you'd be publishing in?
« Last Edit: November 26, 2022, 12:53:56 pm by Billy Herrington »
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