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The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« on: June 25, 2022, 11:16:55 am »
Is it so yesterday?
Or is it endemic?

Inbetween it continues to be a part of our daily lives yet the last 93 posts and 24 threads have had nithing to do with COVID.

Is it gone or is it overlooked?
Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2022, 12:09:35 pm »
It's been under ten thousand cases for two weeks. We're highly vacced.

No one cares, including me. I'll wear the mask, I'll avoid nightclubs but I'm not going to change any routines, much like I haven't the last 2 years.

I'll eat out, I'll go see movies, I'll meet friends. I'm done.


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2022, 12:30:18 pm »
A student of mine was absent last Monday because she had COVID (half-whispered to me): i continually tell boys to pull their masks up (not a single female ever has ever had an uncovered nose in the classroom during this era. Figure that.)

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Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2022, 01:03:54 pm »
Sanity is returning. People thankfully realized that the prevention wasn't worth the disruption.

Unfortunately too late because the smartest people in the room (the "experts", often Euros and Democrats) didn't plan for a war that would send extreme shocks through everything on top and now we have massive inflation and a looming food crisis, which we might have been able to handle had we kept things open, but nope.


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2022, 01:12:04 pm »
A student of mine was absent last Monday because she had COVID (half-whispered to me):


Which part did they whisper?


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2022, 02:17:32 pm »
Which part did they whisper?
"corona" (the Konglish equivalent of COVID19, not the drink, which some of us covet on a hot day: "I want a Corona, please!";  nor of course the area around the sun).

Rye says there are (basically doubling down on a bad take imo) 70 km/hr zones in Korea. Or else we have just been driving on different roads for decades. Rye is right or full of it.
Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


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Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2022, 02:52:54 pm »

Sanity is returning. People thankfully realized that the prevention wasn't worth the disruption.


Haha, tell that to the million plus dead in the USA and their families. Moreover, without
strict mask guidelines and lockdowns, this number may well have been ten times that
number. I thought this was supposed to be obvious now for most educated people.


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2022, 08:19:44 pm »
Sanity is returning. People thankfully realized that the prevention wasn't worth the disruption.

Unfortunately too late because the smartest people in the room (the "experts", often Euros and Democrats) didn't plan for a war that would send extreme shocks through everything on top and now we have massive inflation and a looming food crisis, which we might have been able to handle had we kept things open, but nope.

You have completely failed to understand what has happened.  As is too often the case.

The argument that "the prevention wasn't worth the disruption" puts you in the same intellectual category as Ron DeSantis, Lauren Bobert, MJ Greene, Boris Johnson and Trump.  Which is "anti".

Cases are way down, because "the prevention" worked.  The most deadly variants were suffocated and replaced by a much less virulent strain.  Were it not for social distancing, masks, sterilizing, et al, and especially vaccination! any sensible person recognizes that things could have been much worse--not that 1 million + American deaths is remotely okay. 

Omicron is much less worrying than previous strains, so people are less worried.  However, there's still the chance that another more deadly version may emerge, so we should retain our good habits for some time.

Because I am on the upper side of vulnerability, with age and health factors, I was extremely diligent myself, fully vaxxed.  And yet still got the virus in May.

The only way I knew I had it was the weekly Ag test we were supposed to do--I did it twice that day because I couldn't believe it.  I felt no symptoms, but had to sit at home for a week.  And at no time had any symptoms whatsoever.  Among the items the health center sent me to monitor myself was a fingertip oximeter, and I always measured 99%, for example.  Temp. never above 36.6.  A team KKT'd me three times a day to check in.  I am grateful for the sensible system which prevented larger-scale outbreaks and rampant spreading that might have caught me in the first or delta phase, when my outcome could have been much worse.  But go ahead and wish I had gotten really sick or died. (JK, I know that's not what you meant--but it is the possible result of your idea, so ...)

How on point it is for you, too, to blame the effects of the war on "Euros and Democrats" rather than on, say, PUTIN.  In truth, the only thing that would be much different would just be a whole lot more dead people, and they can't grow crops or operate ships any better than living people with masks and social distancing. 


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2022, 08:23:22 pm »
... the million plus dead in the USA...
STOP.
Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2022, 08:13:39 am »
Were it not for social distancing, masks, sterilizing, et al, and especially vaccination! any sensible person recognizes that things could have been much worse--not that 1 million + American deaths is remotely okay. 

true, and i think all that is good, but america was fully locked down for a pretty insane amount of time. i feel like we didnt lockdown fast enough (a faster response probably would have saved more lives than even stricter measures later), and when we were late we tried to over-compensate.



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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2022, 08:18:52 am »
It's on the decline.  Omicron and other variants are more mild as time goes on.  Monkey pox is the next big fear spun by the media.  But it's mostly gay men it seems.  Keep protection and it shouldn't be a problem much. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are losers who are blocked.  Good riddance to them. They will still be in Korea 10 years from now unless they are retired.  Either way, they will be poor since all they know how to do is troll rather than work for something more


  • Kayos
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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2022, 08:46:36 am »
I still wear my mask, my Friday school has asked me to stop wearing it while I teach, but I've refused, cause I haven't seen any government guidelines that say we can stop wearing them indoors.
Plus I'm headed to nz this summer, and don't want to risk getting it close to my departure time.


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2022, 08:50:16 am »
I still wear my mask, my Friday school has asked me to stop wearing it while I teach, but I've refused, cause I haven't seen any government guidelines that say we can stop wearing them indoors.
Plus I'm headed to nz this summer, and don't want to risk getting it close to my departure time.

Really?  It is still the rule to wear indoors. I would avoid wearing it if I could.  But when I have a room or office to myself, I take off.  I put anti bacterial wipes on my desk when I come to my school that day.  I have 4 schools. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are losers who are blocked.  Good riddance to them. They will still be in Korea 10 years from now unless they are retired.  Either way, they will be poor since all they know how to do is troll rather than work for something more


Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2022, 10:54:41 am »
Haha, tell that to the million plus dead in the USA and their families.
Masks worked up until people got home and took theirs off. They had some mild effect, but they were utterly useless when a strong variant hit- see Korea, South.

There's a reason Korea basically said "eff it" and ripped off the band-aid of lockdowns and let the thing run riot and then burn itself out (to the point where people were basically hoping they caught COVID so they could be done with it). They and the public finally realized that the continued costs were unsustainable and that the only way to move forward was to let what happens happen.

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I thought this was supposed to be obvious now for most educated people
Most educated people would understand that there are a host of variables that go into outcomes and why you can get significantly different outcomes between countries that had similar practices, thus suggesting that there are factors beyond those we normally associate.


Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2022, 11:04:01 am »
You have completely failed to understand what has happened.  As is too often the case.

The argument that "the prevention wasn't worth the disruption" puts you in the same intellectual category as Ron DeSantis,
Well, the jury is still out on that because the receipts from the disruption are only now starting to come in and will be coming in over the next 10-20 years. Unfortunately, the so called "experts" were all confined to a few fields and thus had little awareness and understanding of the effects their decisions would have on other things. This is the problem with relying on academia- It is so narrowly focused that the people at the top of the field often struggle to grasp things outside of their narrow focus, even within their own departments (i.e. doctors who treat addiction were much more ambivalent about certain social restrictions than the epidemiologists). Add to this that the standard way for academics and researchers to operate is to eliminate as many variables as possible and you see why they are so bad at anticipating unforeseen variables and effects.

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Cases are way down, because "the prevention" worked.
Cases are down the same reason cases in 1350 were way down of the Black Death vs. 1348.

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The most deadly variants were suffocated
Odd way to describe evolution.

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Were it not for social distancing, masks, sterilizing, et al, and especially vaccination!
Limited efficacy of all three as practiced suggests that their effect while there, is not as significant as some would attribute.

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not that 1 million + American deaths is remotely okay
What number is "okay"?

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However, there's still the chance that another more deadly version may emerge, so we should retain our good habits for some time
This is the case with anything.

You can't live your life afraid.

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How on point it is for you, too, to blame the effects of the war on "Euros and Democrats" rather than on, say, PUTIN. 
You can't control Putin. You however can prepare yourself and do things so that he can't take as much advantage of a situation.

Also, Pearl Harbor was the fault of Yamamoto and the Japanese. That doesn't mean Kimmel and Short and everyone else get a pass. When you make policy you have to consider ALL factors, including the possibility that a bad actor will take advantage of a disrupted supply chain and economy and make things even worse.

Turns out the "experts" were too dimwitted to think of that possibility. Glad we listened to them. However some whom people call  "dimwits" DID warn about this kind of thing. They were dismissed as idiots because they're rough around the edges or don't rub shoulders and sip champagne with the "smartest people in the room" 


Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2022, 12:55:58 pm »
I still wear my mask, my Friday school has asked me to stop wearing it while I teach, but I've refused, cause I haven't seen any government guidelines that say we can stop wearing them indoors.
Plus I'm headed to nz this summer, and don't want to risk getting it close to my departure time.

I use a clear mask for teaching and I think it is easier for the students when I do.  I, also, would not be comfortable not wearing a mask while teaching.  Especially when I am teaching at more than one school.  I am hoping to visit NZ this summer vacation time as I haven't seen family since early 2020.  Winter in NZ is not my favorite time but I will be unable to visit in January/February as I don't get a winter vacation at my main school - due to major renovations during a long summer vacation. 


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2022, 01:08:49 pm »
Really?  It is still the rule to wear indoors. I would avoid wearing it if I could.  But when I have a room or office to myself, I take off.  I put anti bacterial wipes on my desk when I come to my school that day.  I have 4 schools.

Yeah, my co-teacher wants 1 particular class to see my mouth movements while I teach. And I don't have any of the clear ones.
And I don't want anything to mess up being able to fly back to NZ for my vacation.
I also take my mask off if I'm alone, though.
But, I also have no problem wear a mask 99% of the time, sometimes they do make my nose itch though. D:


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Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2022, 01:11:25 pm »
I use a clear mask for teaching and I think it is easier for the students when I do.  I, also, would not be comfortable not wearing a mask while teaching.  Especially when I am teaching at more than one school.  I am hoping to visit NZ this summer vacation time as I haven't seen family since early 2020.  Winter in NZ is not my favorite time but I will be unable to visit in January/February as I don't get a winter vacation at my main school - due to major renovations during a long summer vacation.

I don't mind winter in NZ except for when it's raining haha. I haven't seen my family back there since about 2018 myself, I think.
Why wouldn't you get winter vacation if the renovations are happening during summer? couldn't you go to a travel school, or do work from home if the school is unable to prove a place for you to go instead of, what I assume, is making you use all your vacay during summer? :O
I hope your break back home is great regardless!


Re: The forgotten elephant in the room: COVID(19).
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2022, 03:16:16 pm »
The school is working right through the winter vacation time - all students and teachers.  It isn't just me. so I can't really complain (but complaining is fun sometimes).  However due to working at two schools I only get a 2 week solid break.  The other school has normal vacation and I have to get all the summer and winter camps done in summer.  A lot of work.  Especially as I cannot do an inperson camp at the main school and it has to be online camps.  I hate online camps and had hoped I was finished with them!  Ha, ha, ha.