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110 km is chicken feed in America. Doesn't it take an hour to go across Seoul?

 From downtown Phoenix to the suburbs is nearly 100km!  And don't get me started on New York and Los Angeles!!

It is150+ km from one side of the official "Greater Toronto Area", the GTO, to the other.

Moreover, VANISLANDER (VANCOUVER ISLANDER) says it takes longer - is more kms to drive from the B. C. capital to the other end of Vancouver Island - than it takes to go from Busan to Pyongyang (based on KM traveled); plus consider: this country fits into Canada's Westernmost province 10 times.

So... when somebody said:The response is: k, but thereabouts.

110 kms isn't far from the distance to some urban locales.

Distance driving is difficult to properly measure in terms of time due to traffic. It's really best to measure it as the crow flies. If you had your pilot's license you would look at things differently.


Seoul City Hall to Seosan City hall takes 2 hours with great traffic.



  • pkjh
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    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHo3xr1q-Wo

There are several videos of it on youtube. You just need to do a search.

It was a hideous incident. Cement mixer driver thought he could go through a red light, motorcyclist thought she owned the road.

Combination of two arrogant people and innocent bystanders get killed.
Supposedly all the people in the car were public school teachers. Rumored to be one of the reasons the MOE discourages car pooling among teachers.


Supposedly all the people in the car were public school teachers. Rumored to be one of the reasons the MOE discourages car pooling among teachers.
Oh no, 4 teachers died out of 390 000 teachers in an absolute freak accident. Better control how they act before work hours even start and create 4x the amount of pollution.

How about............ NO DRIVING. All employees live on premises at every business. No more travel. No more death. Sweet, sweet handwringing can finally end.


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Whatever the case in North America or other places, it doesn't change the definiton of what the Seoul Metro Area is. I didn't make it up. It is what it is.

Btw the Greater Toronto Area is 7.100 square kilometers while the Seoul Metropolitan
Area is 12.600 square kilometers.


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    • December 06, 2021, 01:18:06 pm
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Seoul City Hall to Seosan City hall takes 2 hours with great traffic.

Exactly.  I think VanIslander is just looking at the distance as the crow flies and thinking it's not that far.  You have to cross over that bridge around Dangjin and if that's backed up, which it often is, you're brought to a standstill.  Taking alternate routes is possible but they're longer.  A friend taught in Seosan for a few years and I headed down a few times.  That dump doesn't even have a train station.  You're stuck on the bus.  Nice jumping off point to some coastal areas, but it is not a far flung corner of the Seoul metro region.  Perhaps, Van since you only heard of the place two days ago when I mentioned it, you could hold off on telling people that have been there where it fits in geography wise in relation to the capital area.   


  • pkjh
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    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
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Oh no, 4 teachers died out of 390 000 teachers in an absolute freak accident. Better control how they act before work hours even start and create 4x the amount of pollution.

How about............ NO DRIVING. All employees live on premises at every business. No more travel. No more death. Sweet, sweet handwringing can finally end.
Well, it is a hard pill to swallow when all 3 teachers were from the same school. Then they encourage school trips where every student, and teachers, are in the same group of vehicles in a convoy of busses.


I'm for safety but there comes a point. How about 4 seperate kitchens with different school lunches so only 25% of the faculty could come down with food poisoning at any given time?


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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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I'm for safety but there comes a point. How about 4 seperate kitchens with different school lunches so only 25% of the faculty could come down with food poisoning at any given time?

Uh, I ordered the chicken.


Uh, I ordered the chicken.
If it's fried than all the chickenella is probably dead.
 


  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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If it's fried than all the chickenella is probably dead.
 

More concerned about chickenosis.


More concerned about chickenosis.
Excellent rhyme, Mr C


No.  You are wrong. You said bikes are supposed to be on the road. Clearly with all of the bike lanes that are built up alongside the sidewalk, they are supposed to be OFF the road in numerous places.  Those bike paths are everywhere in newish areas.  In older areas where there are no bike paths, there are also no sidewalks.  Everyone is sharing the road. 

You understood the spirit of what I was saying, so you're just being a dick really.

Bikes should not be sharing the pavement with pedestrians. That is a nationwide law.

Bike lanes are obviously fine, but they're not "everywhere in newish areas". I live in a new area with middle class high rise, and there is a distinct lack of bike lanes. There are lots of pavements and roads though. Perhaps you're one of those people who lives in Seoul and thinks it's the entire country.


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If it's fried than all the chickenella is probably dead.
 
Deep frying kills the toxin producing microorganisms, but it doesn't denatures the toxins already produced.

Hmm. Now to put that into a rhyme so I can cadge me a compliment as well...

"The chickenella may have gone to hell-a,
Ne'ertheless, chickenosis can yet be the prognosis."


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...one of those people who lives in Seoul and thinks it's the entire country.
Yeah. Though 25 million (50%) of the population of the country lives in metro Seoul, an area the size of Jamaica or Qatar. So it is HALF the country at least.
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You understood the spirit of what I was saying, so you're just being a dick really.

Bikes should not be sharing the pavement with pedestrians. That is a nationwide law.

Bike lanes are obviously fine, but they're not "everywhere in newish areas". I live in a new area with middle class high rise, and there is a distinct lack of bike lanes. There are lots of pavements and roads though. Perhaps you're one of those people who lives in Seoul and thinks it's the entire country.

No.  I disagreed completely with what you said.  If you think someone is being a "dick" because they counter what you say you need to grow up.  I don't live in Seoul and there are bike lanes alongside the majority of the larger thoroughfares in all the cities around me.  That means they want you OFF the road.

A little advice.  If someone telling you you're wrong is going to send you into a little fit, perhaps the always up beat chat group on K o r S h a r e is more your speed. 


No.  I disagreed completely with what you said.  If you think someone is being a "dick" because they counter what you say you need to grow up.  I don't live in Seoul and there are bike lanes alongside the majority of the larger thoroughfares in all the cities around me.  That means they want you OFF the road.

A little advice.  If someone telling you you're wrong is going to send you into a little fit, perhaps the always up beat chat group on K o r S h a r e is more your speed. 

You haven't really countered what I've said. You just made it seem like I was saying something I wasn't, which is why I think you're a bit of a dick.

The point is that cyclists are not supposed to be on the pavement. That was always my actual point; I was explaining why another poster shouldn't be angry about people 'getting in his way' on the pavement. You know this and you won't back down because... I guess there are a few possible unflattering explanations.

If Greater Seoul (and Anyang is essentially Greater Seoul) has bike lanes everywhere, that means they want you neither on the road nor on the pavement. They don't want people cycling along with pedestrians. My original point stands.


  • Augustiner
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You haven't really countered what I've said. You just made it seem like I was saying something I wasn't, which is why I think you're a bit of a dick.

The point is that cyclists are not supposed to be on the pavement. That was always my actual point; I was explaining why another poster shouldn't be angry about people 'getting in his way' on the pavement. You know this and you won't back down because... I guess there are a few possible unflattering explanations.

If Greater Seoul (and Anyang is essentially Greater Seoul) has bike lanes everywhere, that means they want you neither on the road nor on the pavement. They don't want people cycling along with pedestrians. My original point stands.

This is what YOU wrote: "Bikes are supposed to be on the road, technically," 

Ok, YOU wrote that.  That is not true.  Stop trying to insult me because you weren't able to communicate your point clearly or adequately.  If you meant something different that's on you to get across.  Although, I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. The route I take to the subway every morning absolutely is purposed so that people are cycling alongside pedestrians.  It's elevated and separated from the road and there is no barrier between the part of the sidewalk that is for pedestrians and that which is for cyclists. There are just bikes painted every 10 metres or so.  I see that everywhere.  And I haven't lived in Anyang for sixteen years. 

Perhaps you're one of those people who looks around their neighbourhood and thinks "Yup, this is how it is everywhere."  Again, go back and read your post and then acknowledge you didn't get your point across.  You're still not, but you definitely didn't.  I don't see you owning up to the original error, although I'm not sure why, it's there for all to read... I guess there are a few possible unflattering explanations.




This is what YOU wrote: "Bikes are supposed to be on the road, technically," 

Ok, YOU wrote that.  That is not true.  Stop trying to insult me because you weren't able to communicate your point clearly or adequately.  If you meant something different that's on you to get across.  Although, I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. The route I take to the subway every morning absolutely is purposed so that people are cycling alongside pedestrians.  It's elevated and separated from the road and there is no barrier between the part of the sidewalk that is for pedestrians and that which is for cyclists. There are just bikes painted every 10 metres or so.  I see that everywhere.  And I haven't lived in Anyang for sixteen years. 

Perhaps you're one of those people who looks around their neighbourhood and thinks "Yup, this is how it is everywhere."  Again, go back and read your post and then acknowledge you didn't get your point across.  You're still not, but you definitely didn't.  I don't see you owning up to the original error, although I'm not sure why, it's there for all to read... I guess there are a few possible unflattering explanations.

Regarding your claim that you don't live in Greater Seoul, these gems were posted by you within the last seven days:

1. "My stylist in Itaewon just put his prices up to 10,000 last week.  It was 8,000 in late April."
2. "I think that's a reasonable expectation.  I may apply.  I've been too long in the suburbs of Seoul."

Quit blatantly lying to attempt to win an argument.

I maintain that the spirit of my comments was clear enough, and you had a comprehension issue. Now it's clear that you're also a liar.

The bike paths that are alongside pedestrians can be found in random places in provincial Korea, but they're not everywhere. They're also regularly cut off by bus stops, trees, things put out by shops, etc. They end rather abruptly too. They're not safe places to cycle.


This whole argument would be moot if we just did the sensible thing and banned riding bikes on roads and sidewalks and just limited them to trails and parks like a sane country would. Better for cars and pedestrians both. If cyclists resist, just make it permissible for motorists to sanitize the roads from cyclists.