Coldplay - Higher Power: 10 locations in Seoul. Which have you been to?

Well the number five is based off of this and given that there is no big SA star and NZ only has Lorde...

Right, Split Enz and Crowded House didn’t have any international hits.  Blasphemy!  Don’t you feel silly that you went ahead and made another of your lists in the rest of the post that most people won’t bother reading. Keep it short.

심심해

Don't forget The Datsuns

Dave Dobbyn anyone?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ

Right, Split Enz and Crowded House didn’t have any international hits.  Blasphemy!  Don’t you feel silly that you went ahead and made another of your lists in the rest of the post that most people won’t bother reading. Keep it short.

If your response to a point that you disagree with is "too long, not going to bother reading", that's your problem.

Maybe if you carefully read my point you might understand it.

Thanks! Now I don't need to correct Marti's lack of knowledge about the NZ music scene. Don't forget Ray Columbus 

"Hey there's some random group NZ that sort of got some fringe airplay every decade. That makes it 6 countries out of 195. We have musical diversity back home!"

Don't tell Mayor Haggar that Dave Dobbin is random, he'll be most upset 

What about Prince Tui Teka, OMC, Herbs, or the Patea Maori Club? That's musical diversity right there...Maori, Pacific Island, and probably a couple of Pakeha thrown in   

Thank you for those HOST OF recommendations.

If your response to a point that you disagree with is "too long, not going to bother reading", that's your problem.

Maybe if you carefully read my point you might understand it.

Just stop, will you?  You were exposed for the petty bullsh*tter you are by fabricating fake quotations and trying to attribute them to me to back up your point. You were called out and roundly mocked by several posters.  Just move on.  This is the key problem with someone who has short man syndrome.  They know they're just digging the whole deeper, but their insecurities won't let them stop. 

And it's not my PROBLEM that I don't bother reading all your posts.  It's absolutely my pleasure.  You have garbage content most of the time. 

I'm not going to engage on that point anymore and unlike a certain South African poster who shall remain nameless, I'm not going to make that claim seventeen times and keep coming back to it.  This continued discussion with you is starting to make me look bad. 

Just stop, will you?  You were exposed for the petty bullsh*tter you are by fabricating fake quotations and trying to attribute them to me to back up your point. You were called out and roundly mocked by several posters.  Just move on.  This is the key problem with someone who has short man syndrome.  They know they're just digging the whole deeper, but their insecurities won't let them stop. 

And it's not my PROBLEM that I don't bother reading all your posts.  It's absolutely my pleasure.  You have garbage content most of the time. 

I'm not going to engage on that point anymore and unlike a certain South African poster who shall remain nameless, I'm not going to make that claim seventeen times and keep coming back to it.  This continued discussion with you is starting to make me look bad. 

No, the refusal to admit you misused host, plus being the kind of jackass that lists music from 6 English-speaking countries as an example of being "diverse" in international music is what makes you look bad. That and taking the view that gets bothered that Koreans are playing Korean music in Korean stores and not enough of "your" music.

Also, this is your quote. It's in the record. Go back and look.

  English speaking countries include Canada, U.S., Ireland, U.K., South Africa, Australia and N.Z.  That is a HOST of countries. 

As far as insecurities, you're the one repeatedly going on about little man syndrome while I'm just trying to argue the point of what constitutes a host and wondering why one should be upset at random people for playing music they like.

You don't think the insecure little men are the ones bothered by Koreans playing Korean music in Korea?

Maybe if you carefully read my point you might understand it.

This is extremely unlikely.

Marti, someone you trust needs to sit you down and explain this to you.

You rub people the wrong way, because of your condescending, know-it-all manner.  And because you will argue ANY position just to be contrary and irritating (we all feel this, and know it).  So much so, that no one gives a fcuk what you have to say.

Then, you have the nerve to suggest we read carefully, for meaning?

No one is gonna do that.  Among other reasons, it's an impossible task, because your average screed is a fatuous word salad of strawmen tossed together with whataboutism, shifted goal posts, name-calling and an obstinate resistance to any inkling you could ever be wrong (about anything that matters).  And this is even before Brandolini's Law comes into effect--and don't kid yourself, you are among the most egregious violators of it I've encountered in over 20 years in forums.


Well, I'm going to stop now, though there's much more to say.  This sounds personal and insulting, but i really don't want to be.  I want to be the person you trust and will listen to, but I'm not.  I don't even know if there is such a person.  But you need one.

This is extremely unlikely.

Marti, someone you trust needs to sit you down and explain this to you.

You rub people the wrong way, because of your condescending, know-it-all manner.  And because you will argue ANY position just to be contrary and irritating (we all feel this, and know it).  So much so, that no one gives a fcuk what you have to say.

Then, you have the nerve to suggest we read carefully, for meaning?

No one is gonna do that.  Among other reasons, it's an impossible task, because your average screed is a fatuous word salad of strawmen tossed together with whataboutism, shifted goal posts, name-calling and an obstinate resistance to any inkling you could ever be wrong (about anything that matters).  And this is even before Brandolini's Law comes into effect--and don't kid yourself, you are among the most egregious violators of it I've encountered in over 20 years in forums.


Well, I'm going to stop now, though there's much more to say.  This sounds personal and insulting, but i really don't want to be.  I want to be the person you trust and will listen to, but I'm not.  I don't even know if there is such a person.  But you need one.

1. Most of the people rubbed the wrong way tend to fall into one of two camps- A) Those that love to b*tch about Korea and B) Those that fall into the "My Team" view of politics. Also, those two often overlap. Also, most of the people who have an issue tend to be close to 60 years old, and well, to be frank, you can kind of see their world view is a bit dated.
2. Say what you will, but I amongst the word salad, I do argue the point. If you look at the responses most of them just focus on me, rather than the issue.

Notice how most haven't addressed the following points yet (or just barely touched on them, aside from the last one)-
1. That Koreans can play whatever music they damn well please
2. That no, we aren't diverse when it comes to our music back home
3. That in fact, Korea plays more outside music than we do back home
4. That there actually was a decent amount of western music played in stores in 2008-2012
5. That while Korean music was played more then than now, it was also during a big boom cycle
6. That people would still b*tch and moan if Koreans were playing songs in Korean from China/Vietnam/Singapore/Japan and so their beef is completely imaginary (and clearly tinged with bigotry)
7. That "5" has never constituted a host in any way, shape or form.

And this is even before Brandolini's Law comes into effect--and don't kid yourself, you are among the most egregious violators of it I've encountered in over 20 years in forums.

I just love how in all of this at no point do you ever consider the possibility you might be wrong or that you do the very same things you accuse me of.

Jesus! The host of BS that Marty puts out on a repeated basis speaks to a host of problems encompassing a “mental defect”.

Jesus! The host of BS that Marty puts out on a repeated basis speaks to a host of problems encompassing a “mental defect”.

Again, not arguing the point, just insulting the poster.

Do you wish to address one of the 7 issues I raised and whether it is correct or not?

1. Most of the people rubbed the wrong way tend to fall into one of two camps- A) Those that love to b*tch about Korea and B) Those that fall into the "My Team" view of politics. Also, those two often overlap. Also, most of the people who have an issue tend to be close to 60 years old, and well, to be frank, you can kind of see their world view is a bit dated.
2. Say what you will, but I amongst the word salad, I do argue the point. If you look at the responses most of them just focus on me, rather than the issue.

Notice how most haven't addressed the following points yet (or just barely touched on them, aside from the last one)-
1. That Koreans can play whatever music they damn well please
2. That no, we aren't diverse when it comes to our music back home
3. That in fact, Korea plays more outside music than we do back home
4. That there actually was a decent amount of western music played in stores in 2008-2012
5. That while Korean music was played more then than now, it was also during a big boom cycle
6. That people would still b*tch and moan if Koreans were playing songs in Korean from China/Vietnam/Singapore/Japan and so their beef is completely imaginary (and clearly tinged with bigotry)
7. That "5" has never constituted a host in any way, shape or form.

Music is way more diverse back home.

Blues, country, rock, latin music, pop music, r&b, rap, punk, metal, etc.  So many types of music, more than just K pop or some old style performers. 

Music is way more diverse back home.

Blues, country, rock, latin music, pop music, r&b, rap, punk, metal, etc.  So many types of music, more than just K pop or some old style performers.

Well in terms of genre, I'd agree.

When it comes to music in stores, generally we're talking about a select few genres- pop to easy listening to oldies are mostly it. Either that or jazz/classical that functions more as muzak than music. However in terms of diversity in terms of country of origin, I wouldn't really say our music back home is diverse in that sense. 

In fact in terms of music in stores, Korea might be slightly more diverse genre-wise in that while just like back home you get pop to easy listening to oldies (trot) and muzak, you also get rap music blasting at odd times. Then again, in the South, you might get country being played in stores, so I guess that cancels out the random rap song in Korea.

Regardless, I don't really see what the issue is- Why does it bother people that Koreans play Korean music in Korea?

Music is way more diverse back home.

Blues, country, rock, latin music, pop music, r&b, rap, punk, metal, etc.  So many types of music, more than just K pop or some old style performers. 

There's quite a large diverse underground scene that 99.99% of foreigners don't know about. As of today only a few hip-hop artist have managed to come out of the underground to compete against the mainstream teeny-pop Kpop groups. And only a handful of rock groups have made it.

There's quite a large diverse underground scene that 99.99% of foreigners don't know about. As of today only a few hip-hop artist have managed to come out of the underground to compete against the mainstream teeny-pop Kpop groups. And only a handful of rock groups have made it.

This is true too. There's Korean grindcore and Korean country music out there and so on.

Part of it is the differing cultural views on music. Westerners, and particularly hipsters (but also normal people), tend to view music as some sort of expression of individual identity and uniqueness. Hence, hipsterdom, where people get upset if TOO many people dislike the same music. In some cases it becomes an almost pathological aversion to anything popular. Certainly this isn't everyone or even the majority of people but it is a noticeable thing in plenty of people.

Conversely, many cultures, including Koreans, view music as a more social or communal thing. It is something to be shared. A way to bring to people together, hence why the most dominant musical activity in Korea by far is noraebang, where people come together to sing together to increase social bonds and have fun. In that case you want to know the same songs and be able to sing together. And when there's that kind of impetus, there's going to be a more homogenous view towards music, though this isn't a rock-hard rule, just a general guideline and certainly not something you'd want to pigeon-hole anyone into either Korean or back home in regards to music. Plenty of people back home, particularly ethnic minorities or certain religious communities are more apt to see music as something social and communal.