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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2022, 08:51:53 pm »
Helping the rich is defined as helping them outsource and signing trade deals with more developing countries like Obama wanted with the TPP.  In fact Presidents before Trump didn't do anything about which gutted good paying jobs for working class people.  Also bringing in cheap labor to suppress wages for corporations is from the new left nowadays. 
Helping the rich and corporations is defined as giving them huge tax cuts and breaks, which trump did and republicans continue to do. As for cheap labor, the people bringing them in are the companies that employ them.

TPP needed some stronger provisions but it was a way to work with other nations to counter China that would have worked much better than trump's counter-productive tariffs.

Don't you ever get tired of whining?


  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2022, 09:03:15 pm »
Helping the rich is defined as helping them outsource and signing trade deals with more developing countries like Obama wanted with the TPP.  In fact Presidents before Trump didn't do anything about which gutted good paying jobs for working class people.  Also bringing in cheap labor to suppress wages for corporations is from the new left nowadays. 



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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2022, 02:22:35 am »

Excellent, and in the kind of simple language 77 might be able to understand.


  • VanIslander
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2022, 05:44:05 pm »
If you give a **** about salary then teaching isn't your best route.
Help others, especially animals. Say what you think, be considerate of others. Appreciate more than deprecate. Teach well, jump on teachable moments. Enjoy Korea as it is, without changing it. Dwell! Yet, at times, change your life for the better. "The most important [thing] is to have a good day."


  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2022, 05:56:43 pm »
If you give a **** about salary then teaching isn't your best route.

You think we should teach for free, do you?  Of course you don't.   So, how much above "free" do you think our salaries should be?

I think teachers deserve a salary commensurate with their value to society, but that will never happen.

OTOH, I don't think it's too much to ask that we are compensated as professionals and afforded a lifestyle of reasonable comfort, the occasional vacation, and some security after retirement.  That's worth standing up for.

There are abstract rewards for teaching, but those don't put food on the table.

And it's nothing like suggesting I'm in it for the money--that is clearly not the case for any teacher.  If you're smart enough to get a college degree, surely you're smart enough to know you won't have a solid gold wash basin or a late-model Maserati.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2022, 05:58:38 pm by Mr C »


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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2022, 06:20:34 pm »
I would teach for free as thousands and thousands do in Africa and south east asia if i was born with a silver spoon.

Instead, the same father who paid for ever skiing and golfing weekend trip i had in high school (countless ones), suddenly on my 18th birthday said: "You are a man now. I will never give you another penny or dollar. You must find your way. But... as long as i live you always have a roof and food if you need it, here."

Those words seared into my brain. A few weeks later my longterm bud's parents bought him a car. His dual-working union-well-paying parents ensured their son would have no work ethic. He dropped out of uni despite being in honours math from elementary school thru high school. He became a bartender, carpet salesman and now at age 53 an assistant manager at a furniture store.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2022, 06:23:53 pm by VanIslander »
Help others, especially animals. Say what you think, be considerate of others. Appreciate more than deprecate. Teach well, jump on teachable moments. Enjoy Korea as it is, without changing it. Dwell! Yet, at times, change your life for the better. "The most important [thing] is to have a good day."


  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2022, 06:53:54 pm »
I would teach for free as thousands and thousands do in Africa and south east asia if i was born with a silver spoon.

Instead, the same father who paid for ever skiing and golfing weekend trip i had in high school (countless ones), suddenly on my 18th birthday said: "You are a man now. I will never give you another penny or dollar. You must find your way. But... as long as i live you always have a roof and food if you need it, here."

Those words seared into my brain. A few weeks later my longterm bud's parents bought him a car. His dual-working union-well-paying parents ensured their son would have no work ethic. He dropped out of uni despite being in honours math from elementary school thru high school. He became a bartender, carpet salesman and now at age 53 an assistant manager at a furniture store.

That's all well and good, bit pretty much non sequitur to the idea that teachers should be compensated as professionals. 


  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2022, 11:03:54 pm »
Hello Mr C. How's things going? Are you back to 100% on the shoulder? Don't mean to derail this thread, but just a quick howdy, while we are discussing the same things. Take it easy!

Sad to say I'm a 60 year old non-Adonis who had what the specialists (it seems the team leader is the best shoulder guy in the country) described as the worst possible break in the worst possible location.  The surgery has a 30% failure rate, which is ridiculously high, but it took--however, I'll never be 100%.  I'd say I'm around 70% now hoping for 80-85 at my next appointment in late May.  Thanks for asking.  At least it no longer rules my life like it did for 2+ months.  But I still have to move the mouse over to my left hand after a few hours ...

Hope you are doing well, Kurt/Rye!

Anyway, the point of these posts is really about the altruism inherent in becoming a teacher--yeah, I definitely could have taken more lucrative paths in my life, but I was inspired by a high school science teacher named Mr Dukas (whom I've mentioned here before, I think).  Teaching is the noblest of professions, but it can only draw in good people if they don't have to worry where their next meal is coming from.

And so, we should definitely give a **** what our salary is, and fight for a comfortable living wage.  First of all because it's what's right, and also because the future of civilization (and I really believe this!) depends on it. 

At some point, this becomes political, and I have no problem with people having different politics than I do, but only if they have the education and facts to understand and back up their positions.

I don't want to further derail the thread, but I'll give one example that fits:  raising minimum wage causes inflation.  There is very little real evidence that this is true, yet even when directed to sources that could illuminate the discussion, posters on this forum (mainly teachers) blindly repeat it without any acknowledgment there are serious questions.

This is why we need teachers.  Quality teachers.  And to get them, we need quality wages.  We also need governments that don't artificially restrict what they teach in order to advance benighted social policies which give the populace less than adequate thinking skills and factual information to make good decisions.  But maybe that belongs in a different thread.


  • VanIslander
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2022, 04:58:32 am »
That's all well and good, bit pretty much non sequitur to the idea that teachers should be compensated as professionals.
Doctors should not work for free. Shame on those who go to poor countries and do so.

THAT is on the nose here.
Help others, especially animals. Say what you think, be considerate of others. Appreciate more than deprecate. Teach well, jump on teachable moments. Enjoy Korea as it is, without changing it. Dwell! Yet, at times, change your life for the better. "The most important [thing] is to have a good day."


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2022, 10:38:47 am »
If you give a **** about salary then teaching isn't your best route.

Well, not anymore here.  It was before. 
I can see.  I can see.  I can see....


Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #70 on: April 18, 2022, 10:46:57 am »
Well, not anymore here.  It was before. 

Say whaaaaaaaatttttt?


  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #71 on: April 18, 2022, 10:57:00 am »
Doctors should not work for free. Shame on those who go to poor countries and do so.

THAT is on the nose here.

Wait, are you saying you think those doctors who volunteer in poor countries have no money?!?  You think they don't have well-compensated jobs in their first world countries and--admirably and altruistically--volunteer some of their time to serve the poor?  (PS even Medecins Sans Frontieres docs have salaries)

You think that's comparable to teachers in first world countries not getting paid?  We're not talking about teachers going to Honduras on the summer break, right?  We're talking about teaching at New Trier High School in Chicago or wherever--you think it's proper that they should work for free?  Is that the comparison you're making?

Because otherwise you're still non sequitur.


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2022, 11:53:08 am »
Say whaaaaaaaatttttt?

Korea use to pay good money (in comparison to the living cost).   Along with every Johnny come lately asking you to tutor theirs and their neighbors kid, you could really clean up and send buckets of money home (good exchange rate).  Then, Korea pulled a bait and switch and hence we have the shit show that is today.
I can see.  I can see.  I can see....


  • Renma
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    • September 01, 2014, 06:09:42 am
Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2022, 11:58:57 am »
Korea use to pay good money (in comparison to the living cost).   Along with every Johnny come lately asking you to tutor theirs and their neighbors kid, you could really clean up and send buckets of money home (good exchange rate).  Then, Korea pulled a bait and switch and hence we have the shit show that is today.

That's not the part he found incredulous.


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2022, 12:03:42 pm »
That's not the part he found incredulous.

??  I said the pay was good before and it brought many folks over here to teach.  He said what?  I replied. 
I can see.  I can see.  I can see....


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2022, 05:07:13 am »
When you're late to the party and all the hot chicks have left, whining about it on the internet ain't going to solve your problem.


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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: Monthly salary of wage workers up 3.6%
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2022, 05:31:04 am »
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