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  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2022, 11:47:44 am »
Last I read, less than two thirds of the South Korean population is boosted. If we could get those numbers up, thereíd be less deaths.

Also, healthier living would be a big help, too.

My British friend got his booster (3rd shot).  He felt like he was going to have a heart attack for a few days.  Fast beating heart, sweating, etc.  Of course he could just be "lying" to me and spreading "misinformation" because it doesn't fit the narrative. 

Needless to say he won't be getting a 4th and 5th shot. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2022, 11:55:38 am »
Which narrative does this not follow?
It's pretty well established that the covid19 vaccine and boosters -- just like every other vaccination -- can cause unpleasant side effects.

And it's pretty harsh to so readily accuse him of lying etc.  One would think that you'd give him the benefit of the doubt, him being your friend and all.  :sad:


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2022, 12:10:36 pm »
Which narrative does this not follow?
It's pretty well established that the covid19 vaccine and boosters -- just like every other vaccination -- can cause unpleasant side effects.

And it's pretty harsh to so readily accuse him of lying etc.  One would think that you'd give him the benefit of the doubt, him being your friend and all.  :sad:

It ain't me doing that. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2022, 01:09:30 pm »
It ain't me doing that. 
I understood what you meant. I was just having a bit of fun at your expense.  :smiley:
I shouldn't do that. I apologize.

But it still begs the question: who is this hypothetical person accusing a person experiencing covid vax side effects of lying?
 I doubt that anybody on waygook has stated that the covid19 vaccine has no negative side effects.
 It's very common knowledge that the cov19 vaccine (**any** vaccine, in fact) can cause harm to an individual.

 It's an unfortunate fact of life that some things can be statistically good, but anecdotally terrible:
Seatbelts have injured/killed people. :sad:
Insulin injections have injured/killedpeople. :sad:
Penicillin has injured/killed people. :sad:
English teachers in Korea have injured/killed people. :sad:

Nevertheless, all of the above things have had massively beneficial impacts on society.

« Last Edit: March 17, 2022, 01:11:29 pm by Kyndo »


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2022, 09:50:02 am »
Over nine million South Koreans have tested positive for coronavirus. Ten million coming soon.  :shocked:  That number's an undercount:
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Workers paid on a daily or hourly basis like freelancers and delivery drivers increasingly shun COVID-19 tests for fear of losing pay if they are forced to self-isolate.

https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2022/03/17/2022031701156.html

Jobseekers are also shunning tests. A 26-year-old from Gyeonggi Province said, "I took cold medicine and endured the symptoms because I wouldn't be able to go to job interviews if I self-isolated."


  • Chester Jim
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2022, 11:11:45 am »
Koreans only had like 11k Covid deaths.

Wow they are amazing. 

Bonzai!


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2022, 11:27:35 am »
The West could've had similar rates the same had they taken it a bit more seriously and/or not immediately politicized it.
Ah well. There's always next time.  :undecided:


  • Chester Jim
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2022, 11:29:28 am »
15 days to stop the spread becoming two years is not taking it seriously?
Bonzai!


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2022, 11:35:43 am »
Yes.
Treat it seriously from the beginning, and the problems over the following 2 years would have been far more limited.
Imagine if there had been no mask-mandate pushback and if there had been a concerted effort to adhere to social distancing rules: the pressure on medical facilities would have been greatly reduced resulting in that thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives would potentially have been spared.
   Anti-science rhetoric spread for political gain is a plague worse than, well, some plagues.  :sad:

   Hopefully they'll have learned this before some hyper-transmissible form of weaponized uber-rabies pops out of a bio-lab somewhere.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2022, 11:38:13 am by Kyndo »


Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2022, 11:36:55 am »
I'm personally looking forward to them eventually dropping the mask mandates. Hoping that living-with-covid + eventual herd immunity allows that to happen this year.


Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2022, 11:53:42 am »
Oh no, what have I done.  :sad:


  • Chester Jim
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2022, 02:29:23 pm »
Yes.
Treat it seriously from the beginning, and the problems over the following 2 years would have been far more limited.
Imagine if there had been no mask-mandate pushback and if there had been a concerted effort to adhere to social distancing rules: the pressure on medical facilities would have been greatly reduced resulting in that thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives would potentially have been spared.
   Anti-science rhetoric spread for political gain is a plague worse than, well, some plagues.  :sad:

   Hopefully they'll have learned this before some hyper-transmissible form of weaponized uber-rabies pops out of a bio-lab somewhere.
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Yes.
Treat it seriously from the beginning, and the problems over the following 2 years would have been far more limited.
Imagine if there had been no mask-mandate pushback and if there had been a concerted effort to adhere to social distancing rules: the pressure on medical facilities would have been greatly reduced resulting in that thousands, or even tens of thousands of lives would potentially have been spared.
   Anti-science rhetoric spread for political gain is a plague worse than, well, some plagues.  :sad:

   Hopefully they'll have learned this before some hyper-transmissible form of weaponized uber-rabies pops out of a bio-lab somewhere.

You donít have any proof that masks work so I donít know why you are saying it.

Did you seriously delete my last post saying that you donít have scientific proof that masks  work!!!!
Bonzai!


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2022, 02:44:04 pm »
Yes. Let's keep the trolling to a minimum, please.


Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2022, 02:59:05 pm »
Don't tell me what to do.


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2022, 03:29:42 pm »
Don't tell me what to do.
Don't tell me what not to do.  >:(


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2022, 03:52:15 am »
Itís not trolling.
You are saying that the US should have worn masks then they would have less cases than SK.
But masks were a mistake because there is no proof that they work. 
Itís intuitive simple physics .  The size of the virus compared to the masks holes is very very small.  They are not made to stop a virus.

We should never never wear them again.   They would at least have to prove that they work.
LOL.
While masks work, they would almost certainly work better if they were as closed as your mind.


  • Kyndo
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2022, 08:12:13 am »
Itís not trolling.
You are saying that the US should have worn masks then they would have less cases than SK.
But masks were a mistake because there is no proof that they work. 
Itís intuitive simple physics .  The size of the virus compared to the masks holes is very very small.  They are not made to stop a virus.

We should never never wear them again.   They would at least have to prove that they work.

I apologize for assuming that you were trolling. I honestly thought the proven efficacy of masks was common knowledge.


- Surgical masks aren't made to stop individual virus particles. Masks are made to stop one of the most common viral vectors: droplets of fluid expelled when breathing, coughing, and sneezing. Stop the vector, stop the virus.

 - If all Americans had worn masks in public, the transmission of the Corona virus would certainly have been slowed: several studies have shown that the consistent wearing of surgical masks has been shown to greatly reduce chances of infection.

 - Insofar as I'm aware, nobody here has made statements as to whether or not wearing masks alone would have reduced American transmission rates below those in Korea. Personally, I suspect that it wouldn't have been the case due to various other factors, but who knows?



Here are some links (with relevant quote) to respected health organizations that outline the very significant role that masks play in reducing the spread of contagion:

CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
"consistently wearing a face mask or respirator in indoor public settings reduces the risk of acquiring SARS-CoV-2 infection [by 57%]"

WHO
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-IPC_Masks-Health_Workers-Omicron_variant-2021.1
"Regardless of the type of mask, appropriate mask use is critical to ensuring effectiveness and reducing the risk of
transmission. Masks should be viewed as one key component of a comprehensive package of infection prevention
and control (IPC) measures to be applied during health care when COVID-19 is suspected or confirmed."


Mayo Clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
"Face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as getting vaccinated, frequent hand-washing and physical distancing, can help slow the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19."
(this source  also notes which type of masks offer what levels of protection)

National Library of Medicine (NCBI)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883189/
"Wearing mask in public is essential as its effectiveness has already been well established by the current studies. For exhalation isolation, both surgical and N95 masks are shown to be effective in reducing the spread of respiratory diseases."

Forbes (not a medical institution, but a respected, politically neutral paper reporting on research articles from several medical journals)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/?sh=ecf40811d085
"Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didnít."
"the surprising thing is how effective they [N95 masks] were, reducing the relative odds [of infection] by 83%."


Hopefully that's sufficient, but if you need further clarification, there are oodles of other independent and respected sources that can confirm this information.  :smiley:

« Last Edit: March 22, 2022, 09:40:22 am by Kyndo »


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2022, 08:27:38 am »
Scenes from the US:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGzymAtTRK4

Scenes from the UK:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZ585OaZJw

Not a mask in sight.



  • pkjh
  • The Legend

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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2022, 11:09:50 am »
Perhaps surgeons should stop wearing masks when operating on people, since they are so ineffective.


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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2022, 08:52:13 am »
South Korea reported 490,881 new COVID-19 infections as of midnight, raising the total caseload to 10,427,247.

http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20220323000154

The total caseload breached the grim milestone of the 10 million mark Tuesday, meaning 1 out of 5 South Koreans has been infected with COVID-19.