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  • Savant
  • The Legend

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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #120 on: April 02, 2022, 02:50:06 pm »
It happens, but it's not common. Especially among Koreans. Especially among the boosted. Especially among the healthy. Especially among the young.

Jesus, man, your article is pre omicron and pre wide scale vaccination. It's also looking at those hospitalized. Asymptomatic people with covid didn't even know they had it and hence weren't hospitalized.

So, which is it? "Extremely rare" or "Not common"?

It's not looking at those hospitalized but of those still reporting symptoms months after first catching covid.

There is little data available for long covid from Omicron so beyond your anecdotal evidence, I'll wait for some study to come out with actual data. What I do know is those with symptoms, specifically the self-employed and small business owners are not getting tested because they do not want to have a loss of income. With Korean abandoning test and trace those people are now no longer forced into mandatory quarantine as there is no legal basis now for them to get tested.


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2022, 02:58:48 pm »
One need not be a world renowned scientist to see most students and teachers aren't dying from coronavirus. Nor are they getting long covid. Yes, some die, but it is extremely rare. Yes, some get long covid, but it is extremely rare.

Well, you kind of need to be one to jump to such assumptions.
Fact is, there is very little data available about long covid, caused by omicron because it's been only around for 4 months or so.
By definition, very few people could have long covid in Korea until now, since 12 weeks have to pass after being infected. Only after that it is considered long covid.
Even in other countries, there is no enough data yet to draw such conclusions.
But you get ahead of the international science world, and claim something that is solely based on your own observations.

How would you define ''extremely rare'' anyways? Even 1% is definitely not extremely rare. Should be 0.1% or even less to call it that.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2022, 03:21:23 pm by Lazio »
''Jealous of those who make more, have a 2 bedroom apartment to live in, ride a GIANT mountain bike, and drive a car that gets them around?  Well, I can't help myself.  It's too bad you are jealous of me for you having less. I am at least able to say I am living better than most ESLers '' hangook77


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #122 on: April 08, 2022, 11:07:32 am »
Thereís no set definition for extremely rare. 1% could be it. In my opinion it is. Highly unlikely. Regardless, almost all boosted Koreans who got omicron ended up fine. Those who didnít were anomalies.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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  • Lazio
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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #124 on: April 08, 2022, 11:50:06 am »
Thereís no set definition for extremely rare. 1% could be it. In my opinion it is. Highly unlikely. Regardless, almost all boosted Koreans who got omicron ended up fine. Those who didnít were anomalies.

From wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_disease
Definitions of rare disease in different countries:

Brazil   65 in 100,000   1 in 1,538
United States <200,000 in population   1 in 1,659
Argentina   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Australia   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Chile   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Colombia   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
European Union   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Mexico   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Norway   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Panama   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Singapore   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Switzerland   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
United Kingdom   1 in 2,000[10]   1 in 2,000
Japan   <50,000 in population    1 in 2,507
Russian Federation10 in 100,000   1 in 10,000
Peru   1 in 100,000   1 in 100,000

1 in 2000 seems to be the common definition. And this is for ''rare''. For ''extremely rare'' one would need to add at least a zero to that.
''Jealous of those who make more, have a 2 bedroom apartment to live in, ride a GIANT mountain bike, and drive a car that gets them around?  Well, I can't help myself.  It's too bad you are jealous of me for you having less. I am at least able to say I am living better than most ESLers '' hangook77


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #125 on: April 08, 2022, 11:59:14 am »
Big difference between Omicron and all the other previous ones which were more severe.  But, healthy people still lived through them.  Omicron was like a mild flu in some ways, though not quite like the flu.  Symptoms were a bit different.  But quick recovery time and mild symptoms.  Chills, fever, tired achy body for a few days.   Some have diarrhea and or vomiting.  Some don't for a day or so.  Then it goes into lungs and is a bit of a cough.  But surprisingly not much of a stuffed nose or sinus headaches.  Maybe a few days are the worst then a few more days kind of bad slightly, then a few more days back to normal but slightly tired more easily and with a slight cough sometimes.  Then, back to normal - good as new. 
Trolls on here are lame and need to get a life.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #126 on: April 08, 2022, 12:01:04 pm »
If only one in a thousand vaccinated people who catch Covid now are hospitalized, that seems hella unlikely.

What constitutes rare is a semantic disagreement.

Iím not afraid of Covid. Nor should anyone reading this who is boosted. I guess if old and unhealthy then maybe, but otherwise donít worry about it. Improve your immune system then go about living normally.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #127 on: April 08, 2022, 02:47:56 pm »
From wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_disease
Definitions of rare disease in different countries:

Brazil   65 in 100,000   1 in 1,538
United States <200,000 in population   1 in 1,659
Argentina   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Australia   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Chile   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Colombia   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
European Union   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Mexico   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Norway   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
Panama   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Singapore   1 in 2,000   1 in 2,000
Switzerland   5 in 10,000   1 in 2,000
United Kingdom   1 in 2,000[10]   1 in 2,000
Japan   <50,000 in population    1 in 2,507
Russian Federation10 in 100,000   1 in 10,000
Peru   1 in 100,000   1 in 100,000

1 in 2000 seems to be the common definition. And this is for ''rare''. For ''extremely rare'' one would need to add at least a zero to that.

You clearly were not listening!  If you will JUST BE YOUNG AND HEALTHY, Covid is fine!

How many thousands of times does he have to tell you people!?!


  • VanIslander
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    • June 02, 2011, 10:12:19 am
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #128 on: April 08, 2022, 03:04:19 pm »
Since i had COVID19 I haven't read any news or cared about it. I am basking in the sense of invulnerability that follows, at least for the first few months. I'm sure a new variant later in the year or next winter will be of concern, but even then my fear level won't rival pre-infection as my body has kicked it once. It may have worked out in the gym and become stronger but I'm confident I'll kick its *** again.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2022, 03:06:36 pm by VanIslander »
Life's to live! Live! Breathe. Relax. Enjoy. Animals teach us to focus on family, friends and avoid danger. Get what you need and get along with others. That said, some rock the boat, but they know capsizin' it means they're sunk. Some sink, let's swim! The sea's big, great, but has undercurrents.


  • Rye
  • Expert Waygook

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    • March 20, 2022, 03:43:11 pm
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Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #129 on: April 08, 2022, 04:12:50 pm »
You clearly were not listening!  If you will JUST BE YOUNG AND HEALTHY, Covid is fine!

How many thousands of times does he have to tell you people!?!

I know, and I feel quite helpless Mr C. I've tried everything...I mean everything, ...but I just can't seem to get younger. I've basically given up. Losing age just seems to be one hurdle too many for me, you know, one bridge too far. Oh well..maybe LI has a suggestion.


Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #130 on: April 08, 2022, 05:01:34 pm »
I take quinine every day.

Also, some L-arginine, Lecithin, Pygeum and zinc!


  • Lazio
  • Expert Waygook

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #131 on: April 10, 2022, 12:40:21 pm »
I surveyed some classes this week. They can, for the most part openly talk about having covid. Just a month or two ago it was taboo.
Anyhow, turns out that anywhere between 30% and 80% of kids in each class had it. The average would be around 50%. So it's more or less double the national infection rate.
I guess the difference comes from testing all students twice (or even 3 times if there is a positive case in a class) a week for the past month.

My survey was more or less accurate.
Half of children under 9, have been infected with covid.
Between 10 and 19, the infection rate is over 43%

https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327035&utm_source=dable

For the entire population of Korea, the infection rate is 30%.
''Jealous of those who make more, have a 2 bedroom apartment to live in, ride a GIANT mountain bike, and drive a car that gets them around?  Well, I can't help myself.  It's too bad you are jealous of me for you having less. I am at least able to say I am living better than most ESLers '' hangook77


Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #132 on: April 10, 2022, 03:39:40 pm »
One needs to dig a bit deep for Covid info these days because the most important thing in our lives right now is apparently the war in Ukraine.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: So many new infections in Korea.
« Reply #133 on: April 10, 2022, 03:55:58 pm »
People are sick of hearing about / thinking about coronavirus I guess, and now with vaccines, itís not much of a danger. Even before vaccines it wasnít much of a danger for the overwhelming majority. Half the world has been infected. What happened to them? Overall, not much. So people are less afraid than before.