Labor Standard Act CHANGED - vacation allowance reduced from 26 to 11 days

Are you seriously blaming Clinton and Obama for outsourcing jobs overseas?  Well, I guess you do say "doing nothing to stop outsourcing", which i guess might mean you know it was the Reagan administration and its laissez faire policies (which you have previously supported here) that got the US job market into this fix.

You see, their policies of distrust in government and total faith in the market to do what's best got things rolling.  Companies indeed did "what's best", it's just that they did what's best for them, at the expense of workers and often consumers.  It was under Reagan we saw the financialization of corporations--what mattered was shareholders above all, and they became forces that took resources from the economy rather than creating them.

But, yeah ... Obama and Clinton ...

Um, yeah, who fought for Nafta's passage?  Bill Clinton.  Who deregulated the banks so that they could go nuts and crash a few years later in 2008?  Billy Clinton.  Who did absolutely nothing about increased outsourcing after the Great Recession, Obama.  In fact, he wanted to sign more trade deals where the jobs would be even more outsourced.  Actually, Reagan signed none of these trade deals and factories were still in America during his time.  He also got Robert Lighthizer to rake Japan over the coals for dumping.  Trump re hired him to negotiate tough trade deals during his term.  Either way, Obama and Clinton did nothing and the Bushes were completely useless too.  In fact by 2016, plenty of companies were on their way out the door (Mexico, China, etc) until Trump's unexpected election victory. 

As for companies getting rid of pensions and jobs for life, that happened in the 1970's shortly after going off the gold standard and inflation soared.  Thanks Nixon...  As for the 1980's, the Democrats controlled congress throughout. 

Who deregulated the banks so that they could go nuts and crash a few years later in 2008?

Reagan jumped at the first chance to deregulate banks from the New Deal era. His whole campaign was all about deregulation, and his trickle down theory. Reagan fired all those air traffic controllers in 81, deregulated the airlines industry, banks, anything he could. Thatcher, and Mulrony were copycats of Reagan's deregulation principle.

Reagan jumped at the first chance to deregulate banks from the New Deal era. His whole campaign was all about deregulation, and his trickle down theory. Reagan fired all those air traffic controllers in 81, deregulated the airlines industry, banks, anything he could. Thatcher, and Mulrony were copycats of Reagan's deregulation principle.

It was Clinton these trade deals were finalized and also under him that put in place the so called banking reforms that led to the crash in 2008.  Some deregulation can be good for the economy, while some can go too far.  But it doesn't mean you have to outsource your jobs overseas.  Carter and the Democrats started with airline deregulation in 1978. 

Obama times were good times....


 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1AWLo_fK1U

It was Clinton these trade deals were finalized and also under him that put in place the so called banking reforms that led to the crash in 2008.  Some deregulation can be good for the economy, while some can go too far.  But it doesn't mean you have to outsource your jobs overseas.  Carter and the Democrats started with airline deregulation in 1978. 

If you think the US job situation over my/our lifetime is somehow about trade deals, maybe discussing economics isn't the thing for you.

And liberals like Obama and Clinton do nothing to stop outsourcing good paying jobs to developing countries.  They want to sign more bad trade deals that let this happen and also import workers on special visas who will work for less in IT and other fields.  Folks who have no education in the past left the minimum wage jobs after school to go down to the plant or some similar job to earn a middle class wage.  If you didn't want to work with your hands then you went to school.  It was win win.  The hypocritical left now diverts attention with stupid woke culture and get their corporate buddies to bully and cancel people all the while putting more dollars in each others pockets while screwing the little guy.  That's the new left and new liberalism for you. 

And folks, here's today's winner in the blame game. He doesn't know much, but he's sure it's someone else's fault. He moves on to the next stage--culture wars.

It was Clinton these trade deals were finalized and also under him that put in place the so called banking reforms that led to the crash in 2008.  Some deregulation can be good for the economy, while some can go too far.  But it doesn't mean you have to outsource your jobs overseas.  Carter and the Democrats started with airline deregulation in 1978. 

Which was great for consumers. Flying used to be a very pricey proposition.

Clinton swung too far to the right--thank you Robert Rubin-- on his economic policies. But he balanced the budget.

The title of the thread is misleading.

The Labour Standard Act rules are not changing.

EPIK (if what people say is true) is now cutting its vacation time down to the minimum governmental amount. These rules have been in place for a number of years.

One of the Labor Standard Act states that (I'm paraphrasing this).....

An employee shall recieve 1 days holiday for every month they work (granted montly) ☞ an accumulation, up until month 9 or 10, at which point the person becomes eligible fir their full 12 days, or whatever.

Subsequent days holudays are added for every two years worked.

I think its 1+ day, for every two years worked.

From your second year, you automatically have the 12 days from the start of your contract to use.

*All of the above is a simple explanation of one of the LSA* I'm not suggesting EPIK are doing this btw....

People who have chosen to stay in minimum wage jobs are just being lazy and don't deserve to be paid more.

Why would they stay at minimum wage without getting a raise? Might be unreliable. But may just be unintelligent, which isn’t their fault. Cognitive limitations prevent them from doing that which is outside basic, simple tasks. If someone is way below average in brain capacity coupled with physical weakness, they’re in a bad spot for big money making opportunities.

That said, there is a labor shortage in the US. There are millions of jobs needing to be filled, many of which are high paying.
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While most of his friends decided to go to college after high school, Tyler Zitzka took a different approach. Instead, he became an apprentice at the Sheet Metal Workers Local Union 265 in Northern Illinois, serving as an HVAC technician.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/23-old-track-six-figures-165745672.html

Last year, Zitzka says he took home $58,000 as an apprentice; this year, once he finishes his apprenticeship, he’s set to make between $90,000 and $110,000. Better still, he has no student loans to repay and was able to buy a home last year.

While most of his friends decided to go to college after high school, Tyler Zitzka took a different approach. Instead, he became an apprentice at the Sheet Metal Workers Local Union 265 in Northern Illinois, serving as an HVAC technician.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/23-old-track-six-figures-165745672.html

Last year, Zitzka says he took home $58,000 as an apprentice; this year, once he finishes his apprenticeship, he’s set to make between $90,000 and $110,000. Better still, he has no student loans to repay and was able to buy a home last year.

I saw that article. It's always been true that you could make a good living in the trades. You have to have a certain aptitude of course but most can pick up the required skills. You can also take those skills with you if you decide you want to move.

The downsides are chances of injury and not being able to do it past a certain age. Some can keep at it into their 60s and 70s but a lot can't. Welders of course are at high risk for eye problems.

Yeah, if I were to start over (again), I'd probably look at a high-demand trade. I've seriously thought about it.

Still am, tbh.

Yeah, if I were to start over (again), I'd probably look at a high-demand trade. I've seriously thought about it.

Still am, tbh.

As long as you're physically able, why not?

I agree with you that the pay in China does seem a lot better than in Korea. The cost of living would also be a lot less, so the possibility to save would be incredible.
However, I am a married woman...just switched over to an F-6 visa 2 months ago, so I'll be in Korea for the long term and can't switch countries as easily as a young single college grad on a gap year vacation.
Also, the Chinese ladies wouldn't really be a bonus for me >.<.
 
Many people are scared to make the leap to China as it's still the great unknown, and a lot less developed than South Korea in many aspects, with politics being the biggest issue.  I would guess that in some ways living in present-day China would be similar to mid-'80s to late 90s Korea. The good pay is probably offered as hardship pay to get the teachers to go there, similar to how Korea was when all of the EFL teachers flocked to Japan as the hot spot for teaching ESL.
I think slowly more people will go there, but it takes a bit ... or maybe China needs to do a C-waves by exporting music and dramas abroad!

As for me,  I think I might just start looking into private elementary schools or better-paying hagwon positions. Since I am no longer on an E-2 visa, I don't have to worry about that  Letter of Release and can be more open to taking risks with employment options.

I just saw this.  Maybe now, people will quit thinking you are me.  Anyways, it makes sense Chinese women aren't into you.  Ha ha.  Though honestly, I'd be more interested in making some coin for a couple of years then maybe going home.  I don't have yellow fever and equally like white women and others.  F6 does give some more freedom, though less work and money is thrown at you compared to the past. 

Many were scared to make the leap to Korea even in the 2000's decade.  You went through a recruiter and rolled the dice, hoped for the best.  I read the horror stories on Daves and the law was sometimes bought off and wouldn't rule in your favor.  Folks who came here when I first got here were definitely more of a risk taker mindset compared to those that have come over in the last several years I guess.  Korea changed so radically in the space of a decade, though some of those old ways do still persist and some hogwans can still be nightmares.  The only difference is you use to be paid a lot more to put up with it back in the day.  I came through a recruiter back when many provinces and cities for public schools still used them.  It wasn't the specialized one that a couple of provinces still use.  (Most do not use anymore and expect the bureaucratic crap shoot the EPIK application and interview process has become with no choice of location.)  No, my recruiter mostly recruited for hakwons but by chance (maybe miracle) I got a public school gig in the country.  Though at the time no one wanted to live in the country and you hardly saw a white person or met too many who could speak English.  (Little children still chased you up the street screaming "weigookin" and "hello".  Today they don't care about seeing a foreigner.)   2009 Recession flooded the market and changed that overnight.  (Plus EPIK went through a major expansion at the time since cutting some of it back.)

I just saw this.  Maybe now, people will quit thinking you are me.  Anyways, it makes sense Chinese women aren't into you.  Ha ha.  Though honestly, I'd be more interested in making some coin for a couple of years then maybe going home.  I don't have yellow fever and equally like white women and others.  F6 does give some more freedom, though less work and money is thrown at you compared to the past. 

Many were scared to make the leap to Korea even in the 2000's decade.  You went through a recruiter and rolled the dice, hoped for the best.  I read the horror stories on Daves and the law was sometimes bought off and wouldn't rule in your favor.  Folks who came here when I first got here were definitely more of a risk taker mindset compared to those that have come over in the last several years I guess.  Korea changed so radically in the space of a decade, though some of those old ways do still persist and some hogwans can still be nightmares.  The only difference is you use to be paid a lot more to put up with it back in the day.  I came through a recruiter back when many provinces and cities for public schools still used them.  It wasn't the specialized one that a couple of provinces still use.  (Most do not use anymore and expect the bureaucratic crap shoot the EPIK application and interview process has become with no choice of location.)  No, my recruiter mostly recruited for hakwons but by chance (maybe miracle) I got a public school gig in the country.  Though at the time no one wanted to live in the country and you hardly saw a white person or met too many who could speak English.  (Little children still chased you up the street screaming "weigookin" and "hello".  Today they don't care about seeing a foreigner.)   2009 Recession flooded the market and changed that overnight.  (Plus EPIK went through a major expansion at the time since cutting some of it back.)

I don't think that anyone thinks that I'm you anymore, I posted up some proof on another thread of my F-6 visa and Female status, so that person posted an apology and all's well.

Anyways, I think if you have the opportunity, are not tied down to a family here, and want to take a good risk or go on an adventure, while making good money, do give China a try.
Considering that you do have quite a bit of experience (is it over a decade??) in Korea, you should easily be able to grab the top paying positions in a Tier one city. China is still a place where a lot of non-natives can still get jobs, so as a Native Speaker with experience you'll be a top choice.  Also if you work there long enough, China allows the foreigners to hold higher positions like headteacher in the office of education (which is unheard of in Korea). I don't know if you have heard of "Teacher Val" on youtube, he's a Lithuanian, but has near-perfect / advanced level English and came to China in 2002 to teach English and has been there for 20 years, and loves it, and I believe currently holds a position as a headteacher with the Ministry of education. Also, from one of his youtube replies, he mentioned that there are no salary caps and the pay will go up every year regardless of how long one works,  unlike EPIK which caps the pay after 5 years in the program, or Japan's JET which doesn't allow renewal past 5 years.

Things like medical care, hygiene, accessibility, and the language might be a bit scary to tackle, but anything is possible with time and effort.
Also, China is huge and so it makes sense that there are more and better opportunities than in Korea.
Actually, I jokingly asked my husband if he would like to live in China for a few years if I did ESL there, and he could work for some Korean company... but he said no and he hates China (as most Koreans), which is unfortunate because I really wanted to make twice the salary for a few years, and we could always return to Korea or go back to visit during breaks.

Living here made me realize that Korea is tiny and overpopulated, and super popular (waay too overrated for what it is) and
so the competition is fierce. Honesly, Korean dramas and K-pop are doing a disservice to the youngsters who want to come here.

I don't think that anyone thinks that I'm you anymore, I posted up some proof on another thread of my F-6 visa and Female status, so that person posted an apology and all's well.

Anyways, I think if you have the opportunity, are not tied down to a family here, and want to take a good risk or go on an adventure, while making good money, do give China a try.
Considering that you do have quite a bit of experience (is it over a decade??) in Korea, you should easily be able to grab the top paying positions in a Tier one city. China is still a place where a lot of non-natives can still get jobs, so as a Native Speaker with experience you'll be a top choice.  Also if you work there long enough, China allows the foreigners to hold higher positions like headteacher in the office of education (which is unheard of in Korea). I don't know if you have heard of "Teacher Val" on youtube, he's a Lithuanian, but has near-perfect / advanced level English and came to China in 2002 to teach English and has been there for 20 years, and loves it, and I believe currently holds a position as a headteacher with the Ministry of education. Also, from one of his youtube replies, he mentioned that there are no salary caps and the pay will go up every year regardless of how long one works,  unlike EPIK which caps the pay after 5 years in the program, or Japan's JET which doesn't allow renewal past 5 years.

Things like medical care, hygiene, accessibility, and the language might be a bit scary to tackle, but anything is possible with time and effort.
Also, China is huge and so it makes sense that there are more and better opportunities than in Korea.
Actually, I jokingly asked my husband if he would like to live in China for a few years if I did ESL there, and he could work for some Korean company... but he said no and he hates China (as most Koreans), which is unfortunate because I really wanted to make twice the salary for a few years, and we could always return to Korea or go back to visit during breaks.

Living here made me realize that Korea is tiny and overpopulated, and super popular (waay too overrated for what it is) and
so the competition is fierce. Honesly, Korean dramas and K-pop are doing a disservice to the youngsters who want to come here.

Over rated is the understatement of the year.  Anyone looking for China will have to wait till covid is done of course.  Maybe in another year or so?  Are people really dumb to think life here will be like a K drama or a K pop video?  Real life is nothing like that. 

As for you and your husband, Korea is getting ridiculously overpriced and it's no longer just a Seoul problem.  Housing getting nutty everywhere now.  May be best for the both of you to bank some coin them come back to Korea and pay cash for a decent place.  But that's your decision. 

Oh yeah, you posted proof of ID?  Well, others besides you too get accused of being me.  But there is only one me.  Ha ha. 

Yes! And that is me. I am the only true hangook77 

No, I'm Spartacus!