Labor Standard Act CHANGED - vacation allowance reduced from 26 to 11 days

lol rip

effective as of may 1st, also you keep the 26 if you renew, only really matter for new people coming in or people that change location, sucks to be them i guess

Umm it’s not the beginning of April though??

Holy sheetballs that’s crazy.   

Public school be like actually we are just a big hagwon conglomerate. 

Just another measure to screw NET's/workers over.

Soon the only perks EPIK will have over hagwons will be:

- at least we’ll always pay you on time
- at least we won’t prematurely fire you to avoid severance payments

So, enjoy your one week summer and winter vacation? And this is a "Public" school position?

Keeps getting worse. I don't understand why folks would go there now. I get it if you've been there a while and are settled in with a good gig, but now.....there's better places.

Looks like they don't think it means what you think it means on Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/teachinginkorea/comments/t9iasz/reducing_vacation_days_from_26_to_11_days/

Looks like they don't think it means what you think it means on Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/teachinginkorea/comments/t9iasz/reducing_vacation_days_from_26_to_11_days/

Waygook, Confusedsaffer and Liechtenstein will be disappointed to read that Reddit link. Those three are all former public school teachers that are predictably on this thread as they seem to live for crowing about how great things are going for them since they left Korea. Oddly, they still are on this site all the time trying to tell us how bad we’ve got it and how awesome their lives are. I think all three of them would jump ship in a heartbeat to be back here teaching at a public school.  Especially with the fact we will continue to have 26 days vacation. 

I think it would be fun to post fake threads about things getting worse in public schools here and to see how fast Waygook, Confusedsaffer and Liechtenstein post.  I’m waiting on Hangook.  Will he read the post all the way through going from elated to deflated that it’s not really bad news for P.S. teachers?  Maybe he’ll be so excited he won’t get past the first comment before he copies and pastes “Just one more reason for teachers to leave Korea.  In my area alone loads of experienced teachers left this year. I’m thinking of leaving myself, although things are still really great for me

It's human nature I'm afraid. The world TEFL reddit is full of international school teachers still hanging around despite not being in TEFL any more, endlessly telling people how much better they have it now.

Jump ship to come back to Korea to teach public school? Lol I would be cutting my salary and vacation time by about 70% (assuming EPIK level 1+) should I decide to do that from August 2022.

I’ve always maintained though that I’d happily return to Korea to do the job I currently do (international school science teacher) at a slightly reduced salary to what I currently earn (15% max in the first year only)…because I honestly loved living there. I only left due to a severe lack in career advancement opportunities for someone in my position at the time.

The fact remains that EPIK jobs have worsened since I left Korea…and I left in the beginning of 2020! People have been kicked out for not disclosing tattoos, pay cut as pay doesn’t rise with inflation, I remember the whole vacation days fiasco from 2018-ish, paying for your own quarantine despite being “invited” to come work in Korea, people being asked to travel to multiple schools each week (5 was the highest at the last count)…and so on.

I did love my time with TaLK (then the hagwons I moved on to) and GEPIK. But the writing on the wall became apparent to me in 2017 when funding for public schools kept getting gutted, followed by more of the same in 2018 and 2019, by which I had begun the process of my exodus from Korea and the ESL industry in general.

I know I sound like a broken grandpa clock, but to those who still want to be in education…get yourselves qualified and get out while you can. There is an entire world of international teaching opportunities with much better benefits out there.

Jump ship to come back to Korea to teach public school? Lol I would be cutting my salary and vacation time by about 70% (assuming EPIK level 1+) should I decide to do that from August 2022.

I’ve always maintained though that I’d happily return to Korea to do the job I currently do (international school science teacher) at a slightly reduced salary to what I currently earn (15% max in the first year only)…because I honestly loved living there. I only left due to a severe lack in career advancement opportunities for someone in my position at the time.

The fact remains that EPIK jobs have worsened since I left Korea…and I left in the beginning of 2020! People have been kicked out for not disclosing tattoos, pay cut as pay doesn’t rise with inflation, I remember the whole vacation days fiasco from 2018-ish, paying for your own quarantine despite being “invited” to come work in Korea, people being asked to travel to multiple schools each week (5 was the highest at the last count)…and so on.

I did love my time with TaLK (then the hagwons I moved on to) and GEPIK. But the writing on the wall became apparent to me in 2017 when funding for public schools kept getting gutted, followed by more of the same in 2018 and 2019, by which I had begun the process of my exodus from Korea and the ESL industry in general.

I know I sound like a broken grandpa clock, but to those who still want to be in education…get yourselves qualified and get out while you can. There is an entire world of international teaching opportunities with much better benefits out there.

Yes, you'd fit in very well on the world TEFL Reddit. Where a lot of people never seem to grasp that not everyone wants to a) teach kids b) deal with parents and C) teach a subject we last pretended an interest in 20 years ago

a) you don’t have to teach kids…unless you count 16-18 year olds as “kids”. Fair enough you only want to teach adults…how many adult students do EPIK teachers teach?

b) that just sounds like avoiding responsibility. You’re happy to collect their money…but you don’t want to “deal with them”

b1) moreover, as someone who has taught adult students, I know for a fact they are far more demanding than kids. They actually want feedback on a very regular basis, meaning you have no choice but to “deal with them”

c) what percentage of ESL teachers in Korea were really interested in (or at least pretended to be interested in) ESL back when they were in school?

,You've convinced me Anyone involved in any branch of TEFL would actually rather be teaching in an international school if only they could hear how wonderful it is from the likes of you. Go join the others spreading the good news on reddit!

Jump ship to come back to Korea to teach public school? Lol I would be cutting my salary and vacation time by about 70% (assuming EPIK level 1+) should I decide to do that from August 2022.

I’ve always maintained though that I’d happily return to Korea to do the job I currently do (international school science teacher) at a slightly reduced salary to what I currently earn (15% max in the first year only)…because I honestly loved living there. I only left due to a severe lack in career advancement opportunities for someone in my position at the time.

The fact remains that EPIK jobs have worsened since I left Korea…and I left in the beginning of 2020! People have been kicked out for not disclosing tattoos, pay cut as pay doesn’t rise with inflation, I remember the whole vacation days fiasco from 2018-ish, paying for your own quarantine despite being “invited” to come work in Korea, people being asked to travel to multiple schools each week (5 was the highest at the last count)…and so on.

I did love my time with TaLK (then the hagwons I moved on to) and GEPIK. But the writing on the wall became apparent to me in 2017 when funding for public schools kept getting gutted, followed by more of the same in 2018 and 2019, by which I had begun the process of my exodus from Korea and the ESL industry in general.

I know I sound like a broken grandpa clock, but to those who still want to be in education…get yourselves qualified and get out while you can. There is an entire world of international teaching opportunities with much better benefits out there.

Good you’re happy with your job, but it does make me wonder why you put everyone in the same boat as you.  I’ve had none of the issues you’ve described above. And, if you’re content in your new professional life why are you always on here bad mouthing jobs?  I honestly don’t get that part.  It makes one skeptical.  If someone is truly happy in a new job in another country why would it even occur to them to come on here even once, let alone be a regular sourpuss.  Certainly some aspect of your life isn’t yet kosher if you need to be on here slamming conditions that have nothing to do with you.  We’re all aware of international schools and the various aspects.  You’re not opening anyone’s eyes. There are definite perks to a true international school. Won’t argue with that. 

Of course, you could always claim, as Confusedsaffer does, that he comes on for the materials when posters ask him why he’s so active here. I don’t think he’s picked up on the fact that people take that claim about as seriously as him telling DMart he’s done arguing with him and is leaving the thread. 

I’m badmouthing EPIK (and ESL jobs in Korea in general) because I know how good those jobs used to be…I was there for a decade, I saw the changes live and in person. The changes spurned me to leave, I was once apprehensive of leaving (I found the excuses too)…but once I dipped my toes in I found it wasn’t as bad or as difficult as I’d anticipated. I even started a topic to document my journey through getting my PGCE and what I’ve done post that, which some on here found to be useful.

One of the common and recurring themes in the ESL world is how to progress professionally or how to “avoid getting stuck”…if you’re going to deny that then there’s nothing I can do to help you with your delusion. All I’m doing is encouraging people to move away from exploitative jobs in Korean ESL and into better paying jobs with longer term prospects.

No, there’s nothing missing from my life…well, maybe international travel, which will resume soon.

I’ve been a regular poster on here since circa 2014/15…just because I left Korea I’m supposed to now stop posting? Lol! My post frequency has decreased by about 95% since I left…but somehow *some people* still have a problem with the few posts I still manage to find time to make.

So, I’m on this site because it’s one of the sites I’ve enjoyed being on since I first started posting here. If you don’t like my posts, feel free to put me on #ignore

I’m badmouthing EPIK (and ESL jobs in Korea in general) because I know how good those jobs used to be…I was there for a decade, I saw the changes live and in person. The changes spurned me to leave, I was once apprehensive of leaving (I found the excuses too)…but once I dipped my toes in I found it wasn’t as bad or as difficult as I’d anticipated. I even started a topic to document my journey through getting my PGCE and what I’ve done post that, which some on here found to be useful.

One of the common and recurring themes in the ESL world is how to progress professionally or how to “avoid getting stuck”…if you’re going to deny that then there’s nothing I can do to help you with your delusion. All I’m doing is encouraging people to move away from exploitative jobs in Korean ESL and into better paying jobs with longer term prospects.

No, there’s nothing missing from my life…well, maybe international travel, which will resume soon.

I’ve been a regular poster on here since circa 2014/15…just because I left Korea I’m supposed to now stop posting? Lol! My post frequency has decreased by about 95% since I left…but somehow *some people* still have a problem with the few posts I still manage to find time to make.

So, I’m on this site because it’s one of the sites I’ve enjoyed being on since I first started posting here. If you don’t like my posts, feel free to put me on #ignore

What's Augustiner's problem? He just comes on the forum to dump on people. My gosh dude, if you don't like reading some people's posts/comments, just move on. No need to be snarky/sarcastic and generally unpleasant.

If one chooses to stay on Waygook after leaving Korea for WHATEVER reason, so what? It's up to the individual and not anyone else's business.

Seriously Augustiner, try being a little kinder, you may find it a whole new and pleasant experience.

I’m badmouthing EPIK (and ESL jobs in Korea in general) because I know how good those jobs used to be…I was there for a decade, I saw the changes live and in person. The changes spurned me to leave, I was once apprehensive of leaving (I found the excuses too)…but once I dipped my toes in I found it wasn’t as bad or as difficult as I’d anticipated. I even started a topic to document my journey through getting my PGCE and what I’ve done post that, which some on here found to be useful.

One of the common and recurring themes in the ESL world is how to progress professionally or how to “avoid getting stuck”…if you’re going to deny that then there’s nothing I can do to help you with your delusion. All I’m doing is encouraging people to move away from exploitative jobs in Korean ESL and into better paying jobs with longer term prospects.

No, there’s nothing missing from my life…well, maybe international travel, which will resume soon.

I’ve been a regular poster on here since circa 2014/15…just because I left Korea I’m supposed to now stop posting? Lol! My post frequency has decreased by about 95% since I left…but somehow *some people* still have a problem with the few posts I still manage to find time to make.

So, I’m on this site because it’s one of the sites I’ve enjoyed being on since I first started posting here. If you don’t like my posts, feel free to put me on #ignore

No. I’d rather rebut your blanket statements instead. Nice attempt to get out of being held accountable, though.  If I was thin skinned like you I could suggest the same thing as you, “Instead of refuting what I say, please just don’t read my posts.”  You like being on this site even though you live in a different country and aren’t trying to come back here?  What aspect of this site draws you in?  The repetitive and petty back and forth between four people in a thread that was intended to discuss the situation in Ukraine?  This site has driven out most posters in Korea because it’s largely petty arguments among about ten people.  Unless you’ve improbably taken Hangook’s juvenile campaign to get everyone but himself to move to China in order to make himself more attractive to schools seriously, you haven’t read the room accurately.  People make the choice to stay here based on a number of factors. One of which is their job.  So, like hangook, you’re dealing in the assumption that everyone’s thought process and goals are the same as yours. That’s what is delusional. Think it through, man. And no one’s buying the old “I’m here because I like Korea and enjoy the conversations on this site.”  Unless you’re here on a day to day basis or need to kill time, this site offers  very little.   You’re one of the select posters that inexplicably come on here to tell people “Why are you losers still there?  Everything is better in ……”. I don’t go on to Thai or Taiwanese sites to talk about Korea and how I enjoy my life here more than I did in those places.  That would be sad.  Don’t be sad waygook.

What's Augustiner's problem? He just comes on the forum to dump on people. My gosh dude, if you don't like reading some people's posts/comments, just move on. No need to be snarky/sarcastic and generally unpleasant.

If one chooses to stay on Waygook after leaving Korea for WHATEVER reason, so what? It's up to the individual and not anyone else's business.

Seriously Augustiner, try being a little kinder, you may find it a whole new and pleasant experience.

What happened to you not caring and water off a duck’s back?  Just joking. I didn’t take that seriously. I knew being called out got to you. Again, what’s with the whining and telling people they shouldn’t respond if they think you’re being insincere or dishonest?  Why doesn’t the same apply to you?  Why don’t you just ignore my comments and not respond?  I have no problem with you arguing my posts. We’re adults. You’re one of the posters with a history of coming on here and dumping on Korea in your passive aggressive manner, while building up your life in Taiwan. Glad you like it there, but I prefer Korea for me, so I’ll respond. And the only way you’re hand wringing “My thought are prayers are with you…” post was sincere was if you read online 340,000 new cases in Korea and then stopped reading all further information about the situation in Korea. If that’s how you digest the news, then it’s entirely possible you were legitimately ignorant of the lack of danger omicron is posing to this largely fully vaccinated and bolstered population. 

I don't know what Reddit is.

And I went to Korea for 1 reason, make money to get myself situated better in life. I had a 5 year plan. Korea gave me what I wanted.

Now I teach at an international school, grades 9-11 English and economics. I make $1800 a month plus $350 a month with my 1st Canadian pension. School finishes in mid-June and starts in mid-August. It's a good job that I enjoy and it's close to my house.

Beautiful wife and the house, car and motorbikes are paid for.

No, I can't see myself being enticed to ever go back to Korea. I had a plan and it worked to perfection. I hang out here to read to idiocies and the apologists. Oh yeah, and now the war-mongering psychopaths that think Russia is right and Putin is a class-act.

Don't hate me because I am exactly where I want to be in life and doing well! I had a plan and it worked. Try it.....

No. I’d rather rebut your blanket statements instead. Nice attempt to get out of being held accountable, though.  If I was thin skinned like you I could suggest the same thing as you, “Instead of refuting what I say, please just don’t read my posts.”  You like being on this site even though you live in a different country and aren’t trying to come back here?  What aspect of this site draws you in?  The repetitive and petty back and forth between four people in a thread that was intended to discuss the situation in Ukraine?  This site has driven out most posters in Korea because it’s largely petty arguments among about ten people.  Unless you’ve improbably taken Hangook’s juvenile campaign to get everyone but himself to move to China in order to make himself more attractive to schools seriously, you haven’t read the room accurately.  People make the choice to stay here based on a number of factors. One of which is their job.  So, like hangook, you’re dealing in the assumption that everyone’s thought process and goals are the same as yours. That’s what is delusional. Think it through, man. And no one’s buying the old “I’m here because I like Korea and enjoy the conversations on this site.”  Unless you’re here on a day to day basis or need to kill time, this site offers  very little.   You’re one of the select posters that inexplicably come on here to tell people “Why are you losers still there?  Everything is better in ……”. I don’t go on to Thai or Taiwanese sites to talk about Korea and how I enjoy my life here more than I did in those places.  That would be sad.  Don’t be sad waygook.

“Attempt to get out of being held accountable” lololololol which attempt?

I was here during the Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown/Tamir Rice days when full blown white supremacists would literally post nazi publications to try to justify those killings. So maybe it’s the repetitive back and forth arguments that do draw me in…after all I’ve engaged in my fair share of them.

You seem like you don’t read much. In case that’s true, I’m currently in China…I took the leap over from Korea to China. Been here two years, plan on being here another 3 at least. And yes, I’ll continue to tell people about the reality and availability of jobs and career progression here.

You might want to do a bit of reading of the good old days of this site before you ask “why someone likes it here”. The sad part would be you even bothering to wonder why someone would still be on a site they’ve been on for close to a decade…maybe they just like it?