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  • Lazio
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
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Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2022, 09:12:23 am »
580 critical cases a week out of...say 500k+ weekly infections is statistically zero. Those critical rate numbers would be in the tens of thousands by now without the high vaxx rate.

Omicron is NOT the common cold. Common colds don't overwhelm first world medical systems within a few weeks.

Lower than most other countries? Yes.
But is it really low? That is subjective.

Remember that the current critical cases are those that were diagnosed 1-2 weeks or longer ago. Also the current deaths are those that have been hospitalized for weeks in some cases.
The number of critical cases went from 581 to 655 in one day. The previous peak was 1150 in December, last year. It will go beyond that this time.
The government has been downplaying the impact of omicron. It is true that it's less deadly than the previous variants. But if people contract it by the millions, that will still result in overwhelming the healthcare system and thousands of deaths. How many deaths are acceptable in order to put this thing behind us? That's a tough question...


  • Sagi Keun
  • Super Waygook

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    • May 10, 2018, 11:47:23 am
    • Los Angeles
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2022, 11:37:34 pm »
Around 56% of 1,073 people who died over the past five weeks were either unvaccinated or had received only one dose, the study showed, with people aged 60 or older accounting for 94% of deaths.

duh obviously that means that around 50% of fatalities had been fully vaccinated.

You would get that 50/50 ratio with any group, just like flipping a coin.

These stats aren't saying much.


Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2022, 06:08:48 am »
Certain people here have been pushing antivaxx views and vaccine hesitancy for years now. It's probably the same on Korean social media sites. Way too many people naively assume that the worm paste people will one day actually "do their own research" and realize that the vaccines work.


  • VanIslander
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Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2022, 07:28:55 am »
duh obviously that means that around 50% of fatalities had been fully vaccinated.

You would get that 50/50 ratio with any group, just like flipping a coin.

These stats aren't saying much.
Statistics 101: The population bases have to be the same for that to be true.

50% of the deaths from a pool of 40 million (80% vaccinated in SK) is probablistically much smaller of a risk to a random individual than the 50% of deaths from the pool of 10 million (the 20% in SK who are unvaccinated or only partially so).
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  • Lazio
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2022, 07:29:10 am »
duh obviously that means that around 50% of fatalities had been fully vaccinated.

You would get that 50/50 ratio with any group, just like flipping a coin.

These stats aren't saying much.

So in more practical ways, it means that among 86% of the population, that received at least 2 doses, there were 472 casualties. While the remaining 601 casualties came from the 14% that were either unvaccinated or received only one dose.
That is about 0.001% death rate among the vaccinated,
and 0.0082% among the unvaccinated.

Over 8 times higher incidence rate.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2022, 07:50:59 am by Lazio »


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2022, 10:53:22 am »
That is about 0.001% death rate among the vaccinated, and 0.0082% among the unvaccinated.

Thatís a minuscule chance of dying. One in one hundred thousand is unfathomably small. So is one in twelve thousand. People of working age, unless extremely weak and sickly, should not be afraid.


  • Lazio
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2022, 11:13:31 am »
Thatís a minuscule chance of dying. One in one hundred thousand is unfathomably small. So is one in twelve thousand. People of working age, unless extremely weak and sickly, should not be afraid.

This was from a 5 week period only.
The deaths are nearing 8.000 and are going to well over 10.000 within a few weeks. And who knows how many more until this pandemic is over. So it would be more accurate to multiply those dying chances by 8 currently, and soon 10 etc.
I'm not suggesting to be afraid or anything. Just trying to stay factual.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2022, 11:20:27 am »
What can we do to get more old folks vaccinated and boosted? Whatís causing them not to be? They just donít want to? Read a conspiracy theory online?


  • Lazio
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2022, 11:24:18 am »
What can we do to get more old folks vaccinated and boosted? Whatís causing them not to be? They just donít want to? Read a conspiracy theory online?

You can't and don't need to do any convincing.
FFS, 95.6% of people over the age of 60 received at least 2 doses. 88.2% are boosted. You can't expect a 100% rate.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2022, 11:34:37 am »
Scroll to the bottom of this:

http://ncov.mohw.go.kr/en/bdBoardList.do?brdId=16&brdGubun=161&dataGubun=&ncvContSeq=&contSeq=&board_id=

Most deaths are of older peopleÖ so by far the best way to lower the death rate overall is raise the vaccination rate among the most vulnerable- which would be aged 80+.


  • Lazio
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2022, 01:09:30 pm »
Scroll to the bottom of this:

http://ncov.mohw.go.kr/en/bdBoardList.do?brdId=16&brdGubun=161&dataGubun=&ncvContSeq=&contSeq=&board_id=

Most deaths are of older peopleÖ so by far the best way to lower the death rate overall is raise the vaccination rate among the most vulnerable- which would be aged 80+.

I don't doubt that the old folks are the most vulnerable. But it's ridiculous to expect 100% vaccination. I don't have the data but I assume the vaccination rate for those above 80 is at least 97-98%.

It's also ridiculous that you keep asking ''what can we do to increase the vaccination rates?'' Literally no one can do that, not even those with actual power. Let alone us.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2022, 01:12:19 pm by Lazio »


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2022, 07:14:58 am »
I don't doubt that the old folks are the most vulnerable. But it's ridiculous to expect 100% vaccination. I don't have the data but I assume the vaccination rate for those above 80 is at least 97-98%.

It's also ridiculous that you keep asking ''what can we do to increase the vaccination rates?'' Literally no one can do that, not even those with actual power. Let alone us.
Right. Those who are bedridden and many with dementia are probably not going to be vaccinated. Their caretakers will be and will or should be extra vigilant regarding Covid-19.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

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    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2022, 09:45:39 am »
If only 88.2% of those over 60 are boosted, then the percentage of those over 80 boosted is likely to be lower, as being bed ridden and with dementia increases with age. More boosters are needed for the older demographic. If not, the death rate will remain high, and as a result, society will be unable to reopen.


  • Lazio
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • January 27, 2018, 03:56:10 pm
    • Gyeongi-do
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2022, 11:47:42 am »
If only 88.2% of those over 60 are boosted, then the percentage of those over 80 boosted is likely to be lower, as being bed ridden and with dementia increases with age. More boosters are needed for the older demographic. If not, the death rate will remain high, and as a result, society will be unable to reopen.

I don't know for sure but I would be surprised if the booster rate wasn't higher in the 80+ bracket compared to the 60+.


  • Sagi Keun
  • Super Waygook

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    • May 10, 2018, 11:47:23 am
    • Los Angeles
Re: HTF are we at 170,000 new cases a day???
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2022, 01:43:53 pm »
The deaths are nearing 8.000


8000 deaths out of a population of 51 million. Over the course of 2 years.

Most of those deaths do not relate to Omicron.


« Last Edit: March 01, 2022, 01:47:27 pm by Sagi Keun »