The Ukraine War

While the West are distracted babbling about the Ukraine war they started, China is uniting Asia (Saudi Arabia now). Once Asia is united against 300 years of white terrorism, they can circle around and easily finish Ukraine and more.

Ahh Kimchininja, our resident Communist has appeared again.

Ahh Kimchininja, our resident Communist has appeared again.

Ahh ConfusedInKorea, our resident Western imperialist has appeared again. Oh wait, that’s most of these forums!

Free Tibet!

Biden is shoring up US support in Africa. China's battling Covid at home.

China isn't "battling" Covid. They've totally given up on that.

Free Tibet!

Biden is shoring up US support in Africa.

Delusional. Africa is with China, that ship has sailed.

America has nothing to offer but bombs and theft. Their model is finished.

Delusional. Africa is with China, that ship has sailed.

America has nothing to offer but bombs and theft. Their model is finished.

You are clearly in the wrong country, get on a plane to Beijing and spare us all your b/s.

If you've ever played the board game RISK: China is that guy who takes Africa. Those resources have been locked up for a decade plus. China owns the long game in that respects, are halfway towards hemisphere sea and air dominance yet in no way prepared to compete in space. It'd take an earthly catastrophe like the black plague that devastated Europe; i mean, something that kills millions and cripples economies. Will we ever see a thing like that? Life works in mysterious ways! Flip coins. It's all amazingly unpredictable, isn't it? I mean, no one predicted that a landlocked winter sea channel blocked huge nation would try to take land that gives it access to the oceans much quicker and more regularly, 12 months a year! A topic in Geography 101 is the Russian "issue" with access to the sea in winter and how important their control of Ukraine, Finland and/or the North Korea option (if they could manage China's claims to it). Ukraine is by far the easiest option. Hence the war. Russia will win enough land to gain a year-round southern water access for transporting goods to Moscow. This all ain't rocket science. Or maybe it is all a mystery. *shrug*

(And i wanna say "Free Tibet" but that is nowadays just a middle finger to the gov't Party in China, as clearly it has become "developed"; instead... "Taiwan is not China" is the battleground not yet won by those who took Tibet, Hong Kong and want Taiwan (had their *** handed to them repeatedly in history in Vietnam and half beat Mongolia and are quietly laying the intellectual ground claims to North Korea.)

Delusional. Africa is with China, that ship has sailed.

America has nothing to offer but bombs and theft. Their model is finished.

Africa will be in debt to China. There’s a difference.

Africa will be in debt to China. There’s a difference.

Lol. China doesn't give a **** about money. It is all about resources. Rare resources for production. Only 3 countries will rule the MANUFACTURING world by 2050.

Lol. China doesn't give a **** about money. It is all about resources. Rare resources for production. Only 3 countries will rule the MANUFACTURING world by 2050.

My point wasn't about money.

China loans billions to African countries for infrastructure projects, knowing full well, that they might struggle to repay the loans on time, so the African countries need to offer something up as collateral i.e. something of strategic value, for example, a share of ports and mining projects.

China isn't "battling" Covid. They've totally given up on that.

Moving on from zero-covid doesn't mean giving up. If the forecast of 1 million to 2 million Chinese die from covid comes to pass, it's going to put a significant dent in Xi's authority.

Delusional. Africa is with China, that ship has sailed.

America has nothing to offer but bombs and theft. Their model is finished.

Things change. The middle kingdom is living in the past.

You are clearly in the wrong country, get on a plane...

Korea is more Chinese than China.

If you don’t like Confucian civilization, get on a plane back to the failing liberal West and spare us all your b/s.

Oops!

Russian sausage tycoon Pavel Antov has been found dead at an Indian hotel, two days after a friend died during the same trip.

Antov was a well known figure in the city of Vladimir, east of Moscow.

Last summer he denied criticising Russia's war in Ukraine after a message appeared on his WhatsApp account.

The millionaire's death is the latest in a series of unexplained deaths involving Russian tycoons since the start of the Russian invasion, many of whom have openly criticised the war.

Reports in Russian media said Mr Antov, 65, had fallen from a window at the hotel in the city of Rayagada on Sunday. Another member of his four-strong Russian group, Vladimir Budanov, died at the hotel on Friday.

What is it with Russian oligarchs and tall buildings? They always seem to mysteriously fall out of the windows.

Anyone on here remember when Confusedsaffer and others were blabbing on and on about Ukraine getting 9 weeks of basic and how that would make them experts on combined arms warfare which would enable them to sweep the Russians from the field? Remember that stupidity?

There are still some cards left from Ukraine to play, but it is clear that their loftiest dreams have been dashed. A blame game seems to be taking place between the Ukrainians and the Americans. America blames the Ukrainians for not adhering to combined arms tactics. Ukraine blames the U.S. for not supplying enough and for their "tactics" being useless without air dominance and on a static battlefield against a well dug-in adversary with near-peer capabilities.

Here we have an example of the utter stupidity of NATO instruction, which apparently is stuck in the mentality of fighting irregular tribals.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/just_drive_around_the_minefields_what_german_instructors_trained_ukrainians_on_leopard_2-7336.html

In this case, I side with the Ukrainians over their NATO instructors. The Ukrainians are the ones with the combat experience who know the actual conditions. The NATO ones are the people who are basing it off of 4th hand reports, some of which apparently are erroneous if they think they can just drive around it.

Another problem seems to be that the West/Ukraine started to believe their own B.S. about the Russians being utterly incompetent and the Ukrainians being brilliant, as well as the casualty figures and predictions of Russian supply collapse. Apparently their plans were to some (possibly large) extent based on the assumption the Russians would bumble their response and just melt away. When the Russians failed to do that, they didn't have much of a Plan B.

That being said there's still Ukraine's last roll of the dice in the Robotyne-Tokmak direction as well as perhaps some sort of miracle Hail-Mary at Crimea.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/just_drive_around_the_minefields_what_german_instructors_trained_ukrainians_on_leopard_2-7336.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/22/briefing/us-ukraine-troops-trump-mark-meadows.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/20/ukraine-counteroffensive-analysis-war-russia/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/21/ukraine-counteroffensive-hopes-endgame-victory-difficult/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/21/ukraine-counteroffensive-hopes-endgame-victory-difficult/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/10/ukraine-national-mood-counteroffensive-gloom/

An example in the disparity in casualty estimations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/politics/ukraine-russia-war-casualties.html
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-military-deaths-facd75c2311ed7be660342698cf6a409

Mediazone gives 27,000. The statistics model gives around 50,000. U.S. officials? 120,000. I suspect the latter number is inflated.

Anyways, this should be a lesson to certain posters on this site- The "experts" are often wrong and evaluating whether they are saying the truth requires a healthy dose of skepticism and critical thinking skills. It is also important to not just regurgitate what "experts" say because they have political agendas and are trying to shape your opinion and persuade you to support their agenda.

But yes, if you are the kind of dimwith who thinks Malcolm Nance is clued in and everything he says is to be taken seriously, then you need to step back and analyze how you take in information.

Also, if you believe stupid things like "9 weeks of basic training/ makes you an expert in modern combined arms warfare". you should also do a similar examination of your incredibly poor critical thinking skills. 9 weeks wouldn't make a person an expert in Italian cooking, much less combined arms warfare.

Remind us again, car, of your military training/experience. And I assume you're not embedded in Ukraine and reporting from there.

"But yes, if you are the kind of dimwit who thinks posting a lot of links makes your opinion worth being taken seriously, then you need to step back and analyze how you process information."

While in the news: "Ukraine’s deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar claimed that Ukrainian forces had claimed further advances along the southern frontline, near the recently liberated village of Robotyne. However, Maliar added that “the enemy is throwing all its forces at these areas in order not to surrender the occupied positions.”

Anyone on here remember when Confusedsaffer and others were blabbing on and on about Ukraine getting 9 weeks of basic and how that would make them experts on combined arms warfare which would enable them to sweep the Russians from the field? Remember that stupidity?

Typical Marti, twisting words to suit his narrative.  I NEVER said they would become experts, stop lying. YOU said that a group of hillbillies that grew up hunting would do far better at war than those who got 9 weeks training with no prior experience. I NEVER claimed they would be experts, I said they would be better than a bunch of hillbillies. I also NEVER said anything about them sweeping the Russians from the field.  All this is a figment of your overactive imagination and your sick desire to have an argument at any time and the even sicker desire to win that argument at all cost.

You are an idiot. Cheers.

I am not going to get into an argument with you about this, write what you want, but I will not respond.

Marty is making out as if he is a military expert. Wonder if he was ever in the military? As to his comment about about a 90 day boot camp not being enough, well in SA in the 70's we did 6 weeks of it and SA had one of the best militaries in the world at that time, so I call b/s on that.

Marty, I actually served, how about you?

It’s everything that raw Russian recruits aren’t getting. Extensive weapons training, battlefield tactics and manoeuvers, medical field training etc.

Not to mention the use of NCOs and giving more battlefield control to troops on the ground and not Generals sitting comfortably in the rear, in Russia’s case.

You’re the one leading with that the majority of Russian soldiers in Ukraine are battle-hardened, well armed, equipped and re-supplied.

They are not!

Ukraine are rotating their units. Putting their conscripts through Western training and holding the front with Territorial defense units and then rotating better units to the front. Russia doesn’t have that luxury.

Question: Why were you and Savant so wrong about your predictions regarding the war?

9 weeks is such an incredibly short amount of time, especially with the extreme shock of getting tossed into the military in the first place. You need YEARS, not WEEKS of training. However that same amount of time in EXPERIENCE will teach far more.