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  • Savant
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    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #680 on: June 12, 2022, 01:06:29 pm »
"Blumenthal has contributed to broadcasts on RT (formerly known as Russia Today) on many occasions.[10] In December 2015, during a visit to Moscow presumed by multiple sources to have been paid for by the Kremlin,[15][18] Blumenthal was a guest at RT's 10 Years On Air anniversary party attended by President Vladimir Putin, then-Lieutenant General Michael Flynn of the United States and English politician Ken Livingstone."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Blumenthal

Explains a lot really about his positions and narrative.


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #681 on: June 12, 2022, 08:48:17 pm »
ie people being forced back to work because their savings are becoming worthless.

The effects are only just starting, but give it time.

At the moment you have shortages of things like wheat, sugar, avocados, meat and eggs, wine and beer, aluminum, paper, baby formula. Then you have rising prices for all kinds of stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB8bCfSjfK8

Don't you watch the news?

America broke their promises and marched up to Russias borders waving missiles in their face. Putin didn't react to five waves of NATO expansion, and constantly tried to make diplomatic initiatives and work with the US, but its Russia who has proved to be an enemy?

You're hilarious.

No promises were given. This is old ground already covered.

No one is being "forced" back to work. You're confusing the US with the russki dictatorship you're supporting.

So are you shorting the US market? All this hot air you're putting out must be pretty uncomfortable in the summer.


  • Sagi Keun
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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #682 on: June 13, 2022, 12:38:25 am »
No promises were given. This is old ground already covered. .

Already covered, yet apparently you still haven't learned to read?

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Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner

Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University

The first concrete assurances by Western leaders on NATO began on January 31, 1990, when West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher opened the bidding with a major public speech at Tutzing, in Bavaria, on German unification. The U.S. Embassy in Bonn (see Document 1) informed Washington that Genscher made clear “that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’ Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the Soviet borders.’” The Bonn cable also noted Genscher’s proposal to leave the East German territory out of NATO military structures even in a unified Germany in NATO.[3]

This latter idea of special status for the GDR territory was codified in the final German unification treaty signed on September 12, 1990, by the Two-Plus-Four foreign ministers (see Document 25). The former idea about “closer to the Soviet borders” is written down not in treaties but in multiple memoranda of conversation between the Soviets and the highest-level Western interlocutors (Genscher, Kohl, Baker, Gates, Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Major, Woerner, and others) offering assurances throughout 1990 and into 1991 about protecting Soviet security interests and including the USSR in new European security structures. The two issues were related but not the same. Subsequent analysis sometimes conflated the two and argued that the discussion did not involve all of Europe. The documents published below show clearly that it did.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

if you're really struggling, I'm sure Junior Maple Bear will let you sit in on one of their ABC classes.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2022, 12:46:18 am by Sagi Keun »


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  • Super Waygook

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #683 on: June 13, 2022, 12:57:38 am »
Quote from: Sagi Keun
ie people being forced back to work because their savings are becoming worthless.
No one is being "forced" back to work.

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Inflation forcing retirees back into jobs
Sydney Kalich, Tiffany Hudson

Posted: APR 12, 2022 / 08:46 AM CDT | Updated: APR 12, 2022 / 06:15 PM CDT

(NewsNation) — Skyrocketing prices on essentials are forcing some older Americans out of retirement as U.S. inflation continues to hit new highs.

In just the past six months, about 480,000 adults 55 and older began looking for a job, according to reporting by the Wall Street Journal. That’s compared to the 180,000 adults looking in the six months prior to the pandemic. This increase is credited in part to the outsized impact inflation is having on the ability of people to retire.

The government’s consumer price index, released Tuesday morning, showed prices shot up 8.5% in March compared to 12 months earlier, according to a report by the Labor Department. This marks the fastest year-over-year inflation rise since December 1981 and surpasses the 7.9% 12-month increase in February, which itself set a 40-year high.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/your-money/inflation-forcing-retirees-back-into-jobs/


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Older Americans head back to the workforce amid inflation

As of March 2022, 3.2% of workers who were retired just one year ago are now employed again, according to Bunker's research.

Strong demand for workers and COVID vaccinations initially helped to fuel the return, Bunker said. “Even more retirees could come off the sidelines.”

Now financial need, exacerbated by inflation and a volatile stock market, is coming to the fore.
https://money.yahoo.com/older-americans-head-back-to-the-workforce-171922301.html


please don't stop debating,  you're too funny  :laugh:


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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #684 on: June 13, 2022, 03:28:36 am »
Already covered, yet apparently you still haven't learned to read?

if you're really struggling, I'm sure Junior Maple Bear will let you sit in on one of their ABC classes.
NOT in treaties, thus NOT promised.

Moreover, the russia they were dealing with is not putin's russia.

Still waiting to hear how much do re mi you have in the russian market.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #685 on: June 13, 2022, 03:32:12 am »
"55 and older" are back in the job market because there are more jobs now. Increased labor participation is a positive.

You are a sucker for financial clickbait, soggy.


  • Sagi Keun
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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #686 on: June 13, 2022, 08:29:17 am »
NOT in treaties, thus NOT promised.

And what is a promise if not a verbal assurance?

Your western leaders are lying shysters.

Trying to pretend that your promises meant nothing won't help you in this situation. Because Russia knows they have been betrayed and now they are putting a stop to it. Even Bush admitted this recently. "yes, it was a broken promise. But we thought Putin would be ok with it". Everyone knows.

Do you really think that increasing an organization founded and committed to causing harm to Russia, and marching it up to the borders of Russia was going to be well-recieved? Even US intelligence knew as early as 2008 that Ukraine was a "red line' for Russia. yet you just kept on? because US wants to take over the world. Well now you're seeing the results of that stupidity.

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55 and older" are back in the job market because there are more jobs now]55 and older" are back in the job market because there are more jobs now

Well, once again, the facts clearly contradict you.

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Inflation forcing retirees back into jobs
Sydney Kalich, Tiffany Hudson

Posted: APR 12, 2022 / 08:46 AM CDT | Updated: APR 12, 2022 / 06:15 PM CDT

(NewsNation) — Skyrocketing prices on essentials are forcing some older Americans out of retirement as U.S. inflation continues to hit new highs.

In just the past six months, about 480,000 adults 55 and older began looking for a job, according to reporting by the Wall Street Journal. That’s compared to the 180,000 adults looking in the six months prior to the pandemic. This increase is credited in part to the outsized impact inflation is having on the ability of people to retire.

The government’s consumer price index, released Tuesday morning, showed prices shot up 8.5% in March compared to 12 months earlier, according to a report by the Labor Department. This marks the fastest year-over-year inflation rise since December 1981 and surpasses the 7.9% 12-month increase in February, which itself set a 40-year high.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/your-money/inflation-forcing-retirees-back-into-jobs/

Still time to call Maple Bear, gators. Nothing to be ashamed of  :laugh:


  • Sagi Keun
  • Super Waygook

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #687 on: June 13, 2022, 09:14:30 am »

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George W. Bush admits the US broke its promise to Russia not to expand NATO eastwards because “times have changed” and the US was “adjusting to the times”. Important for all nations to know that US agreements have an undisclosed expiry date.
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1527450308393435136

Instead of doubling down and pumping in more weapons, the US needs to behave like a responsible world leader, step in and negotiate with Russia to end this war.

Then, they need to make a new foreign policy based on forging honest and positive relations with Russia. Drop all the old cold war craziness.

Although after 30 years of deliberate and needless antagonism of Russia... it is probably too late.


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #688 on: June 13, 2022, 10:11:40 am »
Is the video posted by the above Russia supporter even real? Looks like a deep fake. His voice sounds like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog.

https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-pro-russian-falsehoods-kim-dotcom/31857006.html


  • Sagi Keun
  • Super Waygook

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    • May 10, 2018, 11:47:23 am
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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #689 on: June 13, 2022, 09:03:35 pm »
Is the video posted by the above Russia supporter even real?

I'm afraid so L.I.

Watch before your censors remove it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdSopSFMPms

Re James Bakers promise to Gorbachev not to expand NATO one inch eastwards: 
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"Yeah that's right. That was right. Listen, times change. Baker was, uh, you know he was Secretary of State for my Dad. Uh, which was years ago, and..so, and, the United States must be flexible, and uh, adjusting to the  times'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVIklgrEUq0

Bush to "Zelensky":
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Your mission is to destroy as many Russian troops as you can".
.

https://www.cbs8.com/video/syndication/veuer/former-president-bush-duped-by-russian-comedy-duo-he-believed-to-be-ukrainian-president-volodymr-zelensky/602-7265573c-5a18-46d3-9e8d-fc68e0940282

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-pranksters-claim-george-w-bush-latest-victim-ukraine-1707818

https://miamistandard.news/2022/05/23/video-russian-pranksters-trick-george-w-bush-into-talking-information-war-ukraine-biolabs/

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Responding to the duo’s remark about the Pentagon-funded biolabs in Ukraine, Bush said that he remembered that program well enough. When told that the facilities had been successfully evacuated to safety, he replied that he was glad to hear that and whoever carried it out was a smart individual.

Sorry to burst your bubble L.I .

Don't get me wrong, Bush was a funny guy and a very likable president. But he was just following policy prepared for him by others. Most notably the "Wolfowitz doctrine" which was formulated in the 90's. That was a secret document expounding US foreign policy towards Russia, which basically said that Russia must never be allowed to threaten the US again, and must be kept down..so that the US can remain the sole superpower".

In other words, since the 1990's, every US administration has followed the same formula of harming, isolating, weakening, attacking and demonizing Russia out of fear that it could one day challenge their dominance. This plot was going on even while Putin was doing all he could to form a friendship with America.

 


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #690 on: June 13, 2022, 09:45:10 pm »
soggy, you keep posting the same disinformation while expecting different results. What is that the definition of?


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #691 on: June 14, 2022, 05:19:18 am »
soggy, you keep posting the same disinformation while expecting different results. What is that the definition of?

Actually, it is time we stop feeding this troll.
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #692 on: June 14, 2022, 08:58:02 am »
But he's doing a great job at keeping you all contained in this thread  :laugh:


Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #693 on: June 14, 2022, 10:19:53 am »
soggy, you keep posting the same disinformation while expecting different results. What is that the definition of?
While most of Sagi's stuff is from unreliable sources, a few things are from legitimate media outlets.


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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #694 on: June 14, 2022, 10:31:18 am »
Actually, it is time we stop feeding this troll.

Good idea. Let him argue with himself.

But he's doing a great job at keeping you all contained in this thread  :laugh:

He sure is! I'm amazed a few people are still trying to persuade him otherwise. He won't budge and will always come up with a counter arguement, fake or not. 


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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #695 on: June 14, 2022, 12:18:57 pm »
But he's doing a great job at keeping you all contained in this thread  :laugh:

That's why we need to stop feeding him, he is just wash, rinse, repeat.
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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  • Waygook Lord

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Re: The Ukraine War
« Reply #696 on: June 15, 2022, 02:03:23 am »
You're telling me you don't like to feed the monkeys when you visit the zoo?