Read 11485 times

Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #180 on: March 22, 2022, 03:13:57 pm »
This is bizarre to the point of mental illness. 

Get help.
Lets see...a bunch of 20-something co-ed camp counselors all around each other. Yeah, I'm sure they were just discussing the day's activities or taking a brisk walk when it was lights out but the counselors had a "Camp Meeting" to go to. Surely none of them looking to hook up or go burn one in the woods.

You really are naive aren't you?

But yes, 20-something are uber-eager to spend their free time doing more work, not going out and having fun. Hence, why social media is full of posts of young people raising kids and picking up trash, not partying #yolo or whatever.

EDIT- I should say, assuming this is "Away in the Woods" kind of camp. If you're talking like Korean style camp, then obviously it's not to hook up. It's to get paid/get points.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2022, 03:26:10 pm by Mr.DeMartino »


  • 745sticky
  • The Legend

    • 2493

    • March 26, 2020, 01:52:57 pm
    • Korea
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #181 on: March 22, 2022, 03:19:33 pm »
Clearly people don't want to party or have fun if given the chance. Hence why given time off of work, the vast majority spend it doing other kinds of work, not traveling, recreating, resting and vegetating.

No, the correct default condition is that they want to focus their energies on child-bearing and child-rearing and the labor, economic cost and physical hardship involved! Clearly we can see this in how people choose to behave!

This is actually to a certain extent true.

When I was young, I spent my summer vacations between school years when i could afford it taking a couple of college courses to keep current.  Eventually, I ran the summer camp program at my school and had no shortage of teachers wanting to sign up for a week or two (I ran it with week-long morning or afternoon mini-courses for campers to choose among).

Of course, people want a couple weeks off to vacation, but lots of them want to do other work.

Is this possibly related to the chances of hooking up with other camp instructors?

this is my new favorite interaction on this website. martino you couldve said literally anything else like "are you sure they didnt just want overtime pay" or whatever whyd you have to go with that lmao


Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #182 on: March 22, 2022, 03:22:47 pm »
I've got a plan. Let's open a brewery/bakery. You do the beer, I'll bake the bread and goodies. That'll keep you busy, and it's a solid business idea.
I have 475g of rye malt that AshTree head brewer gave me for free. hahaha

Time to reverse engineer a recipe now. Think I'll make a saison.


Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #183 on: March 22, 2022, 03:31:10 pm »
this is my new favorite interaction on this website. martino you couldve said literally anything else like "are you sure they didnt just want overtime pay" or whatever whyd you have to go with that lmao
I think I misinterpreted him. I thought he was talking about summer camp type camp, not in school day-camp. In that case, like you said, "Overtime Pay".

Point still stands: If there was this massive desire to raise kids in 20-somethings, we'd see it in popular culture and in the free market. We don't. People need to get a clue and admit that partying is more fun than raising kids and understand that this is why birthrates are low. Until they acknowledge that and instead focus on "paid leave" or whatever, they won't be able to solve the problem because they don't want to admit what the problem is.


  • Savant
  • The Legend

    • 3805

    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #184 on: March 22, 2022, 03:50:24 pm »
I think I misinterpreted him. I thought he was talking about summer camp type camp, not in school day-camp. In that case, like you said, "Overtime Pay".

Point still stands: If there was this massive desire to raise kids in 20-somethings, we'd see it in popular culture and in the free market. We don't. People need to get a clue and admit that partying is more fun than raising kids and understand that this is why birthrates are low. Until they acknowledge that and instead focus on "paid leave" or whatever, they won't be able to solve the problem because they don't want to admit what the problem is.

You are really obsessed with partying. It's troubling! I would say young women are more focused on their careers rather than the primal need to be out partying at every opportunity.

Just like your thinking that the majority of young people are all on Tinder looking to hook up. Which wasn't true, again.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2022, 03:53:00 pm by Savant »


Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #185 on: March 22, 2022, 05:49:09 pm »
You are really obsessed with partying. It's troubling! I would say young women are more focused on their careers rather than the primal need to be out partying at every opportunity.

Just like your thinking that the majority of young people are all on Tinder looking to hook up. Which wasn't true, again.
Again, we have to look at what people spend their recreational time on and what draws interest.

The counter claim would be that young people ARE NOT interested in such things, which is patently absurd. Every indication based on both output of young people and what they consume suggests a lifestyle orientated around leisure, not familial responsibility.

This is the problem- Rather than admit a hard and uncomfortable truth, some people would prefer a comfortable lie because the truth is a "downer" and makes people "bad" or whatever. And then you get absurd arguments like these which fly in the face of facts. Yes young people are worried about jobs and there is that young person you know down the street who wants a family, but that misses the forest for the trees.

No, it's not the evil businessmen denying paid leave. No it's not the Republicans failing to pass child care laws. It's the fact that the average young person 18-30 has little interest in starting to family, many into age 35 and that leaves about 5-10 years of reliable fertility to have a kid. That and the average young person would rather spend their time and money on themselves than on some attached burden.


  • JNM
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5051

    • January 19, 2015, 10:16:48 am
    • Cairo, Egypt (formerly Seoul)
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #186 on: March 22, 2022, 09:01:05 pm »
You know, I read a thing somewhere that a certain country in Europe (might be Sweden? Too lazy to look it up again) made it illegal to charge tuition fees for school. This basically made it impossible for private schools to operate, so the super rich kids ended up attending the same public schools as the poor. Rich parents pump a ton of money into those schools to ensure their babehs are still getting the best opportunities possible, and all other students benefit by extension because what's good for schools is good for all students that attend those schools.

I'd imagine that a similar setup would probably ease a lot of pressure off of many parents, and would probably help boost the birthrate in countries like Korea.

Not that I see something like this ever, EVER happening here, lol, but that's one option.

The real rich people sent their kids to Swiss boarding schools; the almost rich, to Spanish boarding schools.


  • pkjh
  • The Legend

    • 2312

    • May 02, 2012, 02:59:44 pm
    • Asia
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #187 on: March 22, 2022, 09:31:29 pm »
My god dmart you love just taking the opposite position to make 400 pages of nonsense.

The average age in oecd countries for first birth is like 30. I believe Korea is on the high end at the whooping age of 31, which means like half of those women gave birth in their 20s. I'm sure they had that club outfit ready to go to the club right after giving birth.


  • Mr C
  • The Legend

    • 3917

    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #188 on: March 22, 2022, 10:01:28 pm »
My god dmart you love just taking the opposite position to make 400 pages of nonsense.

The average age in oecd countries for first birth is like 30. I believe Korea is on the high end at the whooping age of 31, which means like half of those women gave birth in their 20s. I'm sure they had that club outfit ready to go to the club right after giving birth.

How dare you, sir!

Your valid and some might say imminently on-point comment will soon be eviscerated but not really by He Who Ignores All Relevant Facts!

After all, he has an LLD from Brandolini U, extensive credits in Calling People Who Disagree With Me Morons, a Practical Certificate in Strawman Manufacture, 780,000 Imaginary Internet Points, and the Pentherby Prize for Service to Making Waygook.Org a Less Enjoyable Forum For All. 


  • gogators!
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6614

    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #189 on: March 23, 2022, 12:11:14 am »
Again, we have to look at what people spend their recreational time on and what draws interest.

The counter claim would be that young people ARE NOT interested in such things, which is patently absurd. Every indication based on both output of young people and what they consume suggests a lifestyle orientated around leisure, not familial responsibility.

This is the problem- Rather than admit a hard and uncomfortable truth, some people would prefer a comfortable lie because the truth is a "downer" and makes people "bad" or whatever. And then you get absurd arguments like these which fly in the face of facts. Yes young people are worried about jobs and there is that young person you know down the street who wants a family, but that misses the forest for the trees.

No, it's not the evil businessmen denying paid leave. No it's not the Republicans failing to pass child care laws. It's the fact that the average young person 18-30 has little interest in starting to family, many into age 35 and that leaves about 5-10 years of reliable fertility to have a kid. That and the average young person would rather spend their time and money on themselves than on some attached burden.
Your argument, for the most part, is pure projection based on how you've decided to live your life.



  • Savant
  • The Legend

    • 3805

    • April 07, 2012, 11:35:31 pm
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #190 on: March 23, 2022, 07:54:54 am »
Your argument, for the most part, is pure projection based on how you've decided to live your life.



For someone, who seems to spend the majority of his recreation time, here, spouting superfluous arguments, I doubt he is the one to argue how people actually spend their free time.


  • Liechtenstein
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1943

    • February 15, 2019, 04:39:00 pm
    • NE Hemisphere
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #191 on: March 23, 2022, 11:54:42 am »
Don't forget the small (I believe) minority who choose not to have children for other reasons:

I'm the last remaining male member of my family tree and I have no kids. Thus when I die my family name dies too. I like that. I am playing God with my family tree. I decide when it ends and there's something empowering about that.

Also, kids who were abused as children and decide to never have kids just on the minute chance they suffer the same fate.


Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #192 on: March 23, 2022, 01:00:27 pm »
My god dmart you love just taking the opposite position to make 400 pages of nonsense.

The average age in oecd countries for first birth is like 30. I believe Korea is on the high end at the whooping age of 31, which means like half of those women gave birth in their 20s. I'm sure they had that club outfit ready to go to the club right after giving birth.
No, that's not what it means.

If 8 women are giving birth at 30, 1 at 20 and 1 at 40, the average age is 30. Half ARE NOT giving birth in their 20s.

Now those aren't the numbers, but the majority are giving birth post-30.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2022, 01:03:22 pm by Mr.DeMartino »


  • D.L.Orean
  • Hero of Waygookistan

    • 1338

    • February 25, 2020, 09:34:41 am
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #193 on: March 23, 2022, 01:20:11 pm »
No, that's not what it means.

If 8 women are giving birth at 30, 1 at 20 and 1 at 40, the average age is 30. Half ARE NOT giving birth in their 20s.

Now those aren't the numbers, but the majority are giving birth post-30.

If 8 women give birth at 29 and 2 women give birth at 50, the average age is a little over 33. The majority are below the average. It's amazing what we can do when we just pull numbers from the sky.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 8095

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #194 on: March 23, 2022, 01:24:02 pm »
How many women give birth at 50 though? Not 20%, so that’s a bad example.


Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #195 on: March 23, 2022, 01:32:01 pm »
Average age of first birth

https://populationandeconomics.pensoft.net/article/37938/#:~:text=According%20to%20statistics%20for%202018,the%20third%20child%20%E2%80%93%2035.1%20years.
Quote
In accordance with this marriage trend, the age of birth of the first child also increased. According to statistics for 2018, the age of birth of the first child was 31.9 years, the second child – 33.6 years, the third child – 35.1 years.
However it should be noted that with the fertility rate, the number of 2nd and 3rd births is obviously not enough to reach replacement levels.

http://kostat.go.kr/portal/eng/pressReleases/8/10/index.board?bmode=read&aSeq=273490&pageNo=&rowNum=10&amSeq=&sTarget=&sTxt=

Quote
The fertility rate for mothers aged 30 to 34 recorded the highest figure of 100.8.
It should be also noted that given the average age, there's a good chance the women in 25-29 bracket are much more clustered towards 28 and 29.



  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 8095

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #196 on: March 27, 2022, 01:17:36 pm »
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

The world population grows by more than 100K every day.  :shocked:


  • gogators!
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6614

    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Better get busy, people
« Reply #197 on: April 21, 2022, 05:03:50 am »
Alec Baldwin's wife is expecting their seventh child and his eighth.

You know what the momma tomato said to the baby tomato? Better ketchup!