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Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« on: November 25, 2021, 05:26:01 pm »

The EU ambassador said the Korean government is in talks with the EU about joining the EU Digital COVID Certificate system. The EU certificate is a QR code-based proof of vaccination that allows people to move freely within the EU without needing to self-isolate or undergo COVID-19 testing.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211125000584

That will be a great step forward in beating this virus, improving freedom
of mobility and keeping each other safe.  I hope they implement this soon.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2021, 12:44:53 am »
The EU ambassador said the Korean government is in talks with the EU about joining the EU Digital COVID Certificate system. The EU certificate is a QR code-based proof of vaccination that allows people to move freely within the EU without needing to self-isolate or undergo COVID-19 testing.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211125000584

That will be a great step forward in beating this virus, improving freedom
of mobility and keeping each other safe.  I hope they implement this soon.

Yeah but Omicron!

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/27/omicron-variant-covid-southern-africa-travel-restrictions


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 01:17:02 am »
Improving freedom?   Are they f ing out of their minds?
Bonzai!


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2021, 08:51:24 am »
An interesting potpourri of dumb in this thread and it's only a few posts long.

1) a mildly informative OP that draws a slightly off conclusion. i.e. I don't think it will help 'beat' the virus so much as it's just a cope/the best they reckon can be done under the circumstances.

2) then *BOOM* welcome to Dumb Town. The vaccines don't work, plain delusional dumb from a poster whose name I assume is a poorly done romanization of 사기꾼, or fraudster. The vaccines are not as durable as might be wanted and have not been a silver bullet, but they do work to a certain extent. Then fraudster follows up with a boring and trite bit of rhetoric about rights. Wow, you tell 'em, slugger. Thems YOUR rights already.

3) then, the evolution of Dumb into it's purest expression with the last post. Tilting at windmills, answering a point nobody made, is Chester Lol. Either didn't even finish reading before answering, or just cynically trying to make a not very clever point. Nobody thinks any of these things improve freedom in the round, hence the couching of all easing of restrictions as being a return to normal.
oo oo ahh ahh


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2021, 08:57:40 am »
Improving freedom?   Are they f ing out of their minds?

If you exercise your civic duty, follow the guidelines of legally elected
governments and take scientifically proven vaccinations, then there
will be minimal disruption of freedom.

If you are a rabid anti-vaxxer, which is your right, then you should be
prepared to face restrictions that will will protect you, but more
importantly, those that must come into contact with you.

Vaccine passports are an unfortunate precaution to protect those
who choose not to protect themselves.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2021, 06:16:56 pm »
it's just a cope/the best they reckon can be done under the circumstances.

Wreck the world economy and fire half your essential workforce for a bug with a 99.5 % survival rate?
follow the guidelines of  legally elected governments

The EU are unelected bureaucrats

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scientifically proven vaccinations

With a high failure rate, rushed through the normal process, with unknown long-term side-effects


 
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you should be prepared to face restrictions that will will protect you, but more importantly, those that must come into contact with you.

Why would vaccinated people be afraid of the unvaccinated? They're vaccinated, remember.

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Vaccine passports are an unfortunate precaution

Its an unwarranted and unprecedented extension of government control. U a millenial? then it would probably go unnoticed by you.



You must be  out of your fascist minds.



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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2021, 07:37:18 pm »

The EU are unelected bureaucrats


Uh, no.  Since 1979 (so, 50 years), MEPs have been directly elected to the EU parliament by universal adult suffrage. 


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2021, 08:00:12 am »
Uh, no.  Since 1979 (so, 50 years), MEPs have been directly elected to the EU parliament by universal adult suffrage. 

Illusion of democracy.  Elected people with little say and unelected bureacrats who really run the show. 


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2021, 11:06:12 am »
Illusion of democracy.  Elected people with little say and unelected bureacrats who really run the show. 

Welcome to Waygook. The new home of QAnon, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories and MAGA.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2021, 11:46:52 am »
Welcome to Waygook. The new home of QAnon, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories and MAGA.

Welcome to Waygook, the home of those who always comply and do what they are told like good little boys.


Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2021, 12:00:56 pm »
Welcome to Waygook. The new home of QAnon, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theories and MAGA.
If you think unelected bureaucrats, donors, party officials, and staffers don't do the overwhelming majority of government work, decision-making, and push politicians in whatever direction suits their interests, you're an idiot.

It's not a conspiracy theory to suggest that government agencies are a political force unto themselves. By your "logic" it would be a conspiracy theory to suggest that the military exerts influence on our politicians and their decision-making and spending. If the DoD does it, then every other department does it as well. They have to- They need to fight over the budgetary pie. Outside of Henry Waxman and a few other wonks like him that both parties keep around to hash out the details, most Representatives and Congressman aren't that deep into the muck of running government and policy.

One look at the structure of the EU and anyone with a brain can tell you that MEPs aren't doing a lot of the mucky work. Only a naive idiot would think MEPs are actually spending their days pouring over laws and regulations and doing study after study.

One dumb thing about us Americans is we think government is like "The West Wing" when in fact it is much more like "Yes, Minister". We like our comfort food about how our country is.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2021, 12:35:03 pm by Mr.DeMartino »


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2021, 12:47:52 pm »
If you think unelected bureaucrats, donors, party officials, and staffers don't do the overwhelming majority of government work, decision-making, and push politicians in whatever direction suits their interests, you're an idiot.

It's not a conspiracy theory to suggest that government agencies are a political force unto themselves. By your "logic" it would be a conspiracy theory to suggest that the military exerts influence on our politicians and their decision-making and spending. If the DoD does it, then every other department does it as well. They have to- They need to fight over the budgetary pie. Outside of Henry Waxman and a few other wonks like him that both parties keep around to hash out the details, most Representatives and Congressman aren't that deep into the muck of running government and policy.

One look at the structure of the EU and anyone with a brain can tell you that MEPs aren't doing a lot of the mucky work. Only a naive idiot would think MEPs are actually spending their days pouring over laws and regulations and doing study after study.

One dumb thing about us Americans is we think government is like "The West Wing" when in fact it is much more like "Yes, Minister". We like our comfort food about how our country is.

Bureaucrats attempt to sway elected officials, especially regarding slices of the budget pie =/= elected people with little say and unelected bureacrats who really run the show

In fact, bureaucrats would not need to influence their congresscritters, since they already have the power anyway, if what Hankook said and you are defending, was true.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2021, 12:53:41 pm »
Bureaucrats attempt to sway elected officials, especially regarding slices of the budget pie =/= elected people with little say and unelected bureacrats who really run the show

In fact, bureaucrats would not need to influence their congresscritters, since they already have the power anyway, if what Hankook said and you are defending, was true.

Except they usually push the politicians into things and often when someone actually gives an order they don't like, they sabotage it and have backhanded ways at getting back to you.  We saw this as the deep state battled Trump and resisted and blocked thorughout his Presidency trying to undermine as much as they could. 


Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2021, 01:05:20 pm »
Bureaucrats attempt to sway elected officials, especially regarding slices of the budget pie =/= elected people with little say and unelected bureacrats who really run the show
The elected people may come and go, but the bureaucrats stay. Elected officials are there to arbitrate the various disputes between interests such as bureaucrats, donors and interests, etc. That's not to say that elected officials are powerless, but their power is somewhat limited. And if you act against the various Departments and agencies, a whole sh*tstorm will be kicked up. And that's before we get to donors and corporations.

FFS, J. Edgar Hoover at one point was more powerful than virtually  any elected official. People had to kiss his ring and he could make or break any politician. 

Are you one of those people who think The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country? Are you seriously that naive?


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2021, 01:10:07 pm »
He is the most powerful in the country … and world … but is restrained by checks and balances, which is why the US has been and will continue to be so prosperous. No matter who’s president, things’ll be pretty good.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2021, 01:17:45 pm »
He is the most powerful in the country … and world … but is restrained by checks and balances, which is why the US has been and will continue to be so prosperous. No matter who’s president, things’ll be pretty good.

Checks and balances and insubordination are in fact two very different things.  Lots of corrupt things have been brewing in that swamp for decades. 


Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2021, 01:38:52 pm »
He is the most powerful in the country … and world … but is restrained by checks and balances, which is why the US has been and will continue to be so prosperous. No matter who’s president, things’ll be pretty good.
Politicians are essentially extensions of whatever interests got them elected. Trump broke with that to some degree, but only to a largely negligible degree. Heck, one could say that the nine justices on SCOTUS have more real power than the President.

Why be a Senator when you can just buy one? Why be a judge when you can buy one? Why be President when you can just manipulate them?


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2021, 01:42:40 pm »
He is the most powerful in the country … and world … but is restrained by checks and balances, which is why the US has been and will continue to be so prosperous. No matter who’s president, things’ll be pretty good.

Who are you talking about here? Xi Jinping? American presidents appear and disappear
with the regularity of a flushing toilet. Xi Jinping will be around for a while.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2021, 01:49:59 pm »
Whoever is the US president is the most powerful person in the world. Ask any political scientist. However, his power is limited, which is a good thing. The United States is the world’s sole superpower. And the world is gradually improving every year. Overall worldwide life expectancy is going up and has been for a while. Same with literacy and other measures of a good life.


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Re: Korea to join EU Digital COVID Certificate system
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2021, 01:55:55 pm »
Whoever is the US president is the most powerful person in the world. Ask any political scientist. However, his power is limited, which is a good thing. The United States is the world’s sole superpower. And the world is gradually improving every year. Overall worldwide life expectancy is going up and has been for a while. Same with literacy and other measures of a good life.

MAGA

Too bad life expectancy is falling in the US.