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  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2021, 11:55:08 am »
Nah mate, that's demonstrably false.

There is a substantial variation in effectiveness depending on a multitude of factors (strain matching, but on average, those who have had flu shots are between 40 and 60 percent less likely to catch influenza for that particular flu season.

This is based on *oodles* of very well documented stats.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

Also, just fyi, the flu and the common cold are *completely* different diseases. A flu shot has no effect on one's susceptibility to the cold virus.
Allergies are an auto-immune response not related to viruses at all (usually).

Quite a few took those flu shots and they still got sick.  Sometimes, they don't even get the right strain of flu into the shot.  More of a guessing game or probability game.  I never bothered with them. 


  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2021, 11:57:28 am »
Re: the booster shot

Antibodies can be measured.

Since large populations are vaccinated, we can measure how much protection wanes over time.

UAE is requiring a 3rd shot of after 6 months for people who got Sinovax. This is based on data that we didnít have a year ago. Other countries are making similar recommendations (or requirements depending on local politics) as the data comes in.

I get a tetanus booster every ten years.

My dogs get a rabies shot every 1-3 years depending on the formulation and local laws.

This isnít new!

The flu shot is a little different. It is formulated based on a ďbest guessĒ about which strains will be the biggest threat. This makes it less effective some years.



I got twinrix for Hep A and B.  They said it may wear off after 20 years.  Many others more than 10 years and some good for life.  But covid need a booster every few months when they originally said 2 would be enough.  Now they say you need multiple shots every six months?  Lot of flip flopping going on here and moving the goal posts.  Maybe big pharma just wants your money.  Never thought I'd see the day that leftists are defending big pharma.


Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2021, 12:01:45 pm »
Great, I'll get mine in a few months.  I hope to hit Koh Samui next year.
I'll have my inoculation record at the ready, that's for sure. One good thing
is airlines and Thailand will show rabid anti-vaxxers the door PDQ. So, I
won't have to worry about selfish miscreants spreading death on my vacation.
Yeah, they'll just have to worry about druggies and drunks going over their 14 units potentially causing death due to their selfishness.

Also while youre worrying about COVID, you might want to be cautious about STDs. But hey, I'm sure you'll keep your mask on when banging some hooker/random bar floozy.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2021, 12:06:06 pm by Mr.DeMartino »


  • SPQR
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2021, 01:47:53 pm »
Yeah, they'll just have to worry about druggies and drunks going over their 14 units potentially causing death due to their selfishness.

Also while youre worrying about COVID, you might want to be cautious about STDs. But hey, I'm sure you'll keep your mask on when banging some hooker/random bar floozy.

Whatever, we all know what you will be into if you are ever let
into a SE Asian country.


  • JNM
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2021, 02:59:43 pm »
I got twinrix for Hep A and B.  They said it may wear off after 20 years.  Many others more than 10 years and some good for life.  But covid need a booster every few months when they originally said 2 would be enough.  Now they say you need multiple shots every six months?  Lot of flip flopping going on here and moving the goal posts.  Maybe big pharma just wants your money.  Never thought I'd see the day that leftists are defending big pharma.

It isnít flipping, flopping, or moving goalposts.

It is learning. Sinovax (a more traditional vaccine) needs a booster after 6 months. Pfizer a little longer, and AZ longer still. After that, the data will inform decisions. As long as there are pockets of hold-outs (and most of Africa) the virus  isnít going away.

Think of the childhood vaccines that most of the world gets. We get 2 or 3 of some of them, the n we are good.  I expect a similar story here.


Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2021, 04:08:06 pm »
Whatever, we all know what you will be into if you are ever let
into a SE Asian country.
I don't have much interest in SE Asia. You don't see me posting about it or talking about how I "Need to get out of Korea so I can go to SE Asia" the way some people talk about it in almost a fiending way.

I would submit that someone itching to go to SE Asia, whose previous avatar was a porn star, and who talks habitually about wanting to consume narcotics, probably has motivations to go to SE Asia beyond some surfing and some photography and local cuisine.

Anyways, we know the whole "safety and health" thing is just an act for you.


  • Chester Jim
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2021, 10:21:58 am »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/317091


Just wow.

FDA report shows Pfizer's clinical trials found 24% higher all-cause mortality rate among the vaccinated compared to placebo group.
Bonzai!


  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2021, 10:30:01 am »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/317091


Just wow.

FDA report shows Pfizer's clinical trials found 24% higher all-cause mortality rate among the vaccinated compared to placebo group.


Yeah, other vaccines went through years of trials and experiments.  This one did not. 


  • D.L.Orean
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2021, 10:36:00 am »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/317091

just wow.

FDA report shows Pfizer clinical trials found "serious adverse events" 13.6% higher in placebo group


  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2021, 10:38:55 am »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/317091

just wow.

FDA report shows Pfizer clinical trials found "serious adverse events" 13.6% higher in placebo group

Now, folks can get my hestitation to take it.  Some other people's experiences do actualy matter after all.


  • D.L.Orean
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    • February 25, 2020, 09:34:41 am
Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2021, 10:43:10 am »
Now, folks can get my hestitation to take it.  Some other people's experiences do actualy matter after all.

What is that hesitation? And what action can be taken to convince you to get vaccinated?


  • Kyndo
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2021, 11:03:28 am »
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/317091
FDA report shows Pfizer's clinical trials found 24% higher all-cause mortality rate among the vaccinated compared to placebo group.
All true.

But if one actually reads the article one posts rather than just the quoted highlights, one would realize that the difference is 17 (out of 11,000) vs 21 (also out of 11,000), and that the FDA did not find causal links between any of the deaths and the vaccine.

Now, folks can get my hestitation to take it.  Some other people's experiences do actualy matter after all.
No. Statistically speaking, your personal experiences do not matter more than any of the 22,000 individuals who took part of the trial.

If the above quotes are relevant to your reasons for not getting vaccinated, then they're based on misleading information.

« Last Edit: November 25, 2021, 11:06:39 am by Kyndo »


  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2021, 11:21:47 am »
All true.

But if one actually reads the article one posts rather than just the quoted highlights, one would realize that the difference is 17 (out of 11,000) vs 21 (also out of 11,000), and that the FDA did not find causal links between any of the deaths and the vaccine.
No. Statistically speaking, your personal experiences do not matter more than any of the 22,000 individuals who took part of the trial.

If the above quotes are relevant to your reasons for not getting vaccinated, then they're based on misleading information.



Other people's experiences and reactions to the vaccine don't matter?  They should be called liars and given the finger then?  I love how modern leftists get arrogant and dismissive towards people.  When or if the vaccine is proven safe and with real proof not just because big pharma and the media (often owned by the same conglomerates) say so, I may perhaps reconsider.  But, I am definately out for the next year at least. 


  • Kyndo
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2021, 11:32:53 am »
Other people's experiences and reactions to the vaccine don't matter?  They should be called liars and given the finger then?  I love how modern leftists get arrogant and dismissive towards people.  When or if the vaccine is proven safe and with real proof not just because big pharma and the media (often owned by the same conglomerates) say so, I may perhaps reconsider.  But, I am definately out for the next year at least. 
You misunderstand.
I said that they shouldn't be given *more* weight than the individuals in the study.
I would never say that your experiences don't matter, because that would be untrue. Anecdotal evidence can be very valuable.

But what I've noticed from your posts is that you don't seem to understand that statistical data is derived from the compilation of thousands of anecdotal experiences. By discounting this data, or by giving your own experiences more weight than the stats, you are effectively saying that your personal experiences are more important than the combined experiences of the 22,000 people who took part in the trial.


Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2021, 12:52:39 pm »
Now, folks can get my hestitation to take it.  Some other people's experiences do actualy matter after all.
What am I getting? That you're terrible at statistical analysis?

Anyone with a brain who knows anything about statistical analysis would take a look at the raw numbers and conclude that there's no significant risk of death. You can gin it up and make it look sexy by going "24%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" but that percentage is meaningless when put into context.

Other people's experiences and reactions to the vaccine don't matter?  They should be called liars and given the finger then?
Are we talking individual anecdotes or collected data?

The reason we view individual experiences skeptically is they can be anecdotal, unscientific, make claims based on coincidence rather than actual causality, are biased, and are almost always done to put the individual in the best possible light.

I mean, there's a reason everyone around here almost universally mocks your anecdotes involving personal experiences- it's because you come off as an unreliable narrator.


  • D.L.Orean
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2021, 01:23:36 pm »
If it's not shove the unknown substance into you, condescending lectures to reduce your carbon footprint, orange man bad, and pushing drag queen story hour at the local library and at school, then they ain't interested.  The mainstream Marxist media is faker than they have ever been in history.

Playing the hits today.


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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2021, 07:49:31 pm »
Thatís one study and an estimate according to the study authors. You like to post the highest estimates, which is why youíll keep reposting this one. How many Americans die over a two year period? A hell of a lot. Millions. Almost seven million. Worldwide, 120 million. Everyone dies. Itís inescapable. But yeah, do your best to increase your lifespan. Coronavirus is one risk among many.
So an extra 750,000 dead Americans is just a drop in the bucket? You're one callous uber-capitalist.


  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2021, 10:31:57 am »
What am I getting? That you're terrible at statistical analysis?

Anyone with a brain who knows anything about statistical analysis would take a look at the raw numbers and conclude that there's no significant risk of death. You can gin it up and make it look sexy by going "24%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" but that percentage is meaningless when put into context.
Are we talking individual anecdotes or collected data?

The reason we view individual experiences skeptically is they can be anecdotal, unscientific, make claims based on coincidence rather than actual causality, are biased, and are almost always done to put the individual in the best possible light.

I mean, there's a reason everyone around here almost universally mocks your anecdotes involving personal experiences- it's because you come off as an unreliable narrator.

What about when they won't collect the data?  When someone specifically says they took the shot and this happened to them, then you are either believing them or calling them a liar.  I notice the pro covid vax crowd never seems to answer that.  They seem to skip it over and vaguely imply they are lying about what happened to them.  Which is pretty cold hearted and callous to mock someone afflicted with a bad condition.  Perhaps, they'll kick someone in a wheelchair if it suits their ideology too?  I guess nowadays, the ideology is more important than common sense.  Who would have ever thought the left would line up behind big pharma and big corporations?


  • hangook77
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2021, 10:35:45 am »
Though a year from now if the incidents are less I may reconsider or if they tweak the vaccine.  But for now I am skeptical of it as there have been cases of negative affects by it, though some are safe (at least in the short term).  We don't know long term effects from this though.  If covid is raging a year or two from now and the vaccine can be tweaked and made safe or safer, I may consider taking it then.  But, it will probably be a moot point as covid should die out eventually like all other viruses and plagues in history have done. 


  • D.L.Orean
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Re: Definition of full vaccinated might include boosters.
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2021, 10:39:07 am »
What about when they won't collect the data?

What studies have done this?