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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2021, 12:51:25 pm »
Europeans have a trash view of rights and freedoms in general.

yeah they only invented those ideas...


Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2021, 12:52:49 pm »
Brief history reminder for everyone. Last time some dipshit Europeans tried to tell us what to do.


Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2021, 12:53:42 pm »
yeah they only invented those ideas...
How can they invent something that is inherent to all people? The trash Euro view is that they created these rights. The correct American view is that these rights are inherent and finally their suppression was lifted.
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2021, 01:59:30 pm »
How can they invent something that is inherent to all people? The trash Euro view is that they created these rights. The correct American view is that these rights are inherent and finally their suppression was lifted.

what on god's green earth are you blathering about? read a book demartino. Wow! You might start with aristotle, cicero, hobbes or locke or maybe Dr. Seuss i don't know. they (sans the Seuss) came up with and developed the idea that we have these inherent rights

nevermind the fact that the "americans" you're talking about were europeans who had recently taken a cruise
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2021, 02:37:14 pm »
what on god's green earth are you blathering about? read a book demartino holy shit you might start with aristotle, cicero, hobbes or locke or maybe Dr. Seuss i don't know. they (sans the Seuss) came up with and developed the idea that we have these inherent rights

nevermind the fact that the "americans" you're talking about were europeans who had recently taken a cruise
The Washington driving a Dodge might be a bit on insight into how serious I am about this.

But yes, there is a tendency in European systems to view rights as being granted by the state rather than something inherently possessed.


Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2021, 02:43:59 pm »
The Washington driving a Dodge might be a bit on insight into how serious I am about this.

But yes, there is a tendency in European systems to view rights as being granted by the state rather than something inherently possessed.
where?


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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2021, 03:03:20 pm »


The Washington driving a Dodge might be a bit on insight into how serious I am about this.

But yes, there is a tendency in European systems to view rights as being granted by the state rather than something inherently possessed.





Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2021, 03:50:08 pm »
You see this reflected in values.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/19/5-ways-americans-and-europeans-are-different/
https://today.ku.edu/2020/01/11/study-analyzes-american-other-free-speech-traditions-suggests-inevitable-clashes

Here we see someone who ascribes to the European view of things.

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“When we talk about First Amendment issues, free speech and protecting speech, I think this is a great way to frame it, by looking at how the world’s first great democracy viewed free speech,” Rosenthal said. “We don’t have that type of character and fitness exam. I argue, because of that, anyone can say what they please. We’re not insulating people or licensing them to speak. In some ways that’s good. In other ways it’s not.”

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“Our free speech permissiveness was born of colonial suppression. Because of that, we’ve enshrined it in our Constitution and in our jurisprudence,” Rosenthal said. “The Supreme Court has regularly extended protections of free speech to a point, that I argue, goes too far.”
Perhaps some colonialism and oppression of Euros and their allies would make them change their mind.

He does make a really good point here-
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Rosenthal concluded that differing traditions in the United States and other parts of the world have led to a point where powerful American corporations are attempting to export their cultural and legal philosophies around the world, which should call for a re-examination of those traditions and prepare society for disagreements between the traditions.

You see this in European laws like the hijab ban. You also see the nature of Euro style thinking- That whoever is in charge is clever and that they are guiding people to some goal through these laws, that their duty is to move and shape the public, not to ensure freedom for the public, that whatever law they make is fine as long as it is done in the name of some goal such as "equality" or "to elevate discourse". It is an ultimately arbitrary philosophy, IMO. That being said, it's their country and they have every right to live according to this philosophy of theirs. One might also say that it is more Old World really than European as many Asian countries have similar views.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-03-19/free-speech-in-europe-isn-t-what-americans-think

More Euro views on Free Speech
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Paragraph 2 of Article 10 enounces the legitimate aims that can justify the restriction of freedom of expression: “The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the
reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.”
https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1401&context=hrbrief
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2021, 04:06:49 pm »
https://twitter.com/johnbwellsctm/status/1460650574920171530?s=21


Another collage of news stories about people collapsing.  This stuff is not normal.
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2021, 04:11:38 pm »
Project Veritas does it again.   CBS teaching their employees not to be objective.   It’s a leftist cartel ladies and gentlemen.  https://youtu.be/x4yJYMIpoy8
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2021, 04:14:26 pm »
Omg
Pfizer lied about the number of individuals who died during thir COVID vaccine trials.
The actual number of deaths during the clinical trials was 21 not 16 as was originally reported.
This was four more deaths than the clinical trials control group.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/huge-breaking-news-pfizer-hid-public-number-deaths-covid-clinical-trials-actual-number-21-6-reported-4-unvaccinated-group/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2021, 04:50:41 pm »
Omg
Pfizer lied about the number of individuals who died during thir COVID vaccine trials.
The actual number of deaths during the clinical trials was 21 not 16 as was originally reported.
This was four more deaths than the clinical trials control group.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/huge-breaking-news-pfizer-hid-public-number-deaths-covid-clinical-trials-actual-number-21-6-reported-4-unvaccinated-group/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

your posts are always fun to see.
what an amazing news source.


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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2021, 06:57:10 pm »
You left out this part, Martini.

"He points out that one of the Supreme Court’s most ardent defenders of free speech protections, Hugo Black, was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan. Naturally, a person with such views would fight for robust protections of all manner of speech, Rosenthal said. Such extensions of protected speech can result in an intolerant minority pushing out a tolerant majority in society, he wrote.

The differing traditions have led to today, where those largely controlling who can speak and how they can do so are social media companies and giant technology corporations. The most prominent of those are not only American, they are concentrated in Silicon Valley, one small section not representative of the rest of the nation and not always knowledgeable of other cultural and legal traditions, Rosenthal said. Because of that, the current era would be a good time to re-examine American free speech traditions."


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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2021, 08:49:30 pm »
Omg
Pfizer lied about the number of individuals who died during thir COVID vaccine trials.
The actual number of deaths during the clinical trials was 21 not 16 as was originally reported.
This was four more deaths than the clinical trials control group.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/huge-breaking-news-pfizer-hid-public-number-deaths-covid-clinical-trials-actual-number-21-6-reported-4-unvaccinated-group/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

The 16 number refers to death from the vaxxed group during the blinded part of the study. 5 additional deaths (for a total of 21) in that group occurred after the trials were unblinded. This is actually considered to be post-trial data.
The two numbers were referencing different parts of the study.

"During the blinded, controlled period, 15 BNT162b2 and 14 placebo recipients died; during the open-label period, 3 BNT162b2 and 2 original placebo recipients who received BNT162b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered related to BNT162b2 by investigators. Causes of death were balanced between BNT162b2 and placebo groups (Table S4)."

This is from the original vaccine study results report, in the "Safety" heading.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full-text


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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2021, 09:08:33 pm »
The Washington driving a Dodge might be a bit on insight into how serious I am about this.


A Dodge that was made in British North America Canada!


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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2021, 10:17:00 pm »
Yo, Jester Chim!  Any comment on the Hartle case?

I'm sure you remember ... the guy who PROVED the Dems had stolen votes in Arizona?  Remember? 

His wife had, sadly, passed away in 2017 but despite not receiving a mail-in ballot she had somehow voted and he couldn't understand it.  Election fraud, period.

He just pled guilty to felony vote fraud because he had actually sent in her vote.  Huh.

That, Jester, is what we call "Fake News"!

Oh, and he got caught, eh?  Suggests the system ultimately works, doesn't it?
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2021, 02:47:44 am »
People are getting heart attacks from "Broken Heart Syndrome"


The media is looking for absolutely anything (other than the obvious) to blame for the sudden surge in heart attacks, myocarditis, pericarditis and assorted heart diseases throughout the West.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62669


I guess they are just human sacrifices.
Galima shuktiday.
Shame Shame. !!! Pathetic.


Looks like 30,000 excess overdoses due to lockdown in 2020. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10209983/US-recorded-100-000-drug-overdose-deaths-year-Covid-lockdowns.html
Good job guys! 
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Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2021, 08:58:00 am »
Fentanyl is the real culprit here.

Lockdowns saved lives. The radical right and their chieftain trump on the other hand...


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« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2021, 10:49:04 am »
Chester Jim, any tracking of this in Korea? Shouldn't there be waves of heart attacks in Korea and K-League athletes collapsing if your claim is true?


Re: Is this fake news?
« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2021, 12:30:33 pm »
You left out this part, Martini.

"He points out that one of the Supreme Court’s most ardent defenders of free speech protections, Hugo Black, was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan. Naturally, a person with such views would fight for robust protections of all manner of speech, Rosenthal said. Such extensions of protected speech can result in an intolerant minority pushing out a tolerant majority in society, he wrote.
He left out the part where Thurgood Marshall was also an ardent defender of free speech. He also left out the part where Hugo Black was A Democrat and  appointed by Roosevelt and went on to become a solid member of the court's liberal wing.

But hey, if you want to adopt the tired right-wing talking point of "He was a former Klansman, the Democrats are the party of the KKK" then be my guest.

Seriously gogators!, you really need to start doing a basic amount of reading up before leaping in.

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The differing traditions have led to today, where those largely controlling who can speak and how they can do so are social media companies and giant technology corporations. The most prominent of those are not only American, they are concentrated in Silicon Valley, one small section not representative of the rest of the nation and not always knowledgeable of other cultural and legal traditions, Rosenthal said. Because of that, the current era would be a good time to re-examine American free speech traditions."
I agree with that, which is why I am in favor of treating those social media companies like the public square, which they have essentially become, and as such they should have similar standards for speech.