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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2021, 12:07:02 pm »
that's martini, mr. status quo, in a nutshell.
gogators! "logic"- Because I don't agree with certain visions (his) for change/improvement, I'm against any change/improvement.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2021, 12:21:19 pm »
Communism is not improvement but regression. Capitalism - the freedom to choose one’s own business - brings prosperity to the world.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2021, 12:31:32 pm »
Unrestrained Capitalism is a disastrous blight just as surely as Communism is.

Thankfully most of the world has tempered the worst of Capitalism with the best of Communism.

If our world survives the excesses of our parents' generation, it will be because we as a global society have found a happy medium that allows for independence and entrepreneurship while reining in uncontrolled consumerism and exploitation.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2021, 12:44:35 pm »
Unrestrained Capitalism is a disastrous blight just as surely as Communism is.

Thankfully most of the world has tempered the worst of Capitalism with the best of Communism.

If our world survives the excesses of our parents' generation, it will be because we as a global society have found a happy medium that allows for independence and entrepreneurship while reining in uncontrolled consumerism and exploitation.


I"d say we have corporatism (Corporate Cronyism) right now in many countries, even the Socialist ones and especially in the Socialist ones.  Some of the large hedgefunds and large corporations should be broken up (also cross ownership needs more restrictions).  Otherwise, true free enterprise with lots of competition (excluding outsourcing which should be limited) ought to be encouraged. 

I still never got any previous warnings to make me muted.  I never got any reason for being muted.  I guess the moderators of this site are just fat loser assholes who do as they feel.  Just because they feel like it or were losing an argument.  Dumbass morons!!!


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2021, 12:48:05 pm »
I still never got any previous warnings to make me muted.  I never got any reason for being muted.  I guess the moderators of this site are just fat loser assholes who do as they feel.  Just because they feel like it or were losing an argument.  Dumbass morons!!!


Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2021, 01:32:04 pm »
Unrestrained Capitalism is a disastrous blight just as surely as Communism is.

Thankfully most of the world has tempered the worst of Capitalism with the best of Communism.

If our world survives the excesses of our parents' generation, it will be because we as a global society have found a happy medium that allows for independence and entrepreneurship while reining in uncontrolled consumerism and exploitation.

Odds are, our planet would be even worse off and have a bleaker future under Communism. One thing raw capitalism has is a ruthlessness that allows the truth to thrive more relative to say, Communism. Communism promotes a system where people lie and cover things up to a degree beyond that of even the worst free-market companies. You don't get the luxury of pretending there isn't a problem for long in capitalism. inevitably, someone has the means to use your bad acts against you, and while it won't guarantee change, it at least makes it more likely.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2021, 01:53:46 pm »
I agree with you, mostly.
But that wasn't really my point. My point was that either system taken to an extreme is bad.

Pure communism is horrendous, as is pure capitalism.
You need to move the slider somewhere between the two in order to ensure prosperity. That optimal position, is, of course, going to be a bit contentious lol.

Corporatism is, yeah, a corruption of capitalism.
True free enterprise, paradoxically, relies heavily on governments to break up the inevitable market stranglehold of monolithic corporate  monopolies.
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2021, 05:43:44 am »
gogators! "logic"- Because I don't agree with certain visions (his) for change/improvement, I'm against any change/improvement.
The only thing you've ever posted "being for" is driving while drinking and running red lights whenever you see fit.

"Logic," indeed.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2021, 07:42:04 am »
True free enterprise, paradoxically, relies heavily on governments to break up the inevitable market stranglehold of monolithic corporate  monopolies.

although big government can also create (or at least maintains) corporatism through tax loopholes/corporate lobbies/etc. i wonder if it would be better to have a big government and trust them to actually break up monopolies or to have a smaller central government and allow states (or whatever the equivalent is in non-US territories) to deal with monopolies as they see fit. all pure speculation on my end ofc but generally the higher up the chain of command you go the more removed actual citizens are from the equation (and thats where big pharma/oil/etc take over)


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2021, 08:00:26 am »
I agree. Government is a tool, ideally one wielded by citizens, but often as not, it's coopted by lobbies etc.
A truly *representative* government would be what would protect a free market.
And, since we're now discussing faerie tales, that same government could solve all inequities, transition the world to a post-scarsity economy, and we could all live happily ever after.
*sigh*
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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2021, 08:10:18 am »
i blame globalism tbh. what we need is some sort of world-ending event to force everything back to a bunch of city-states

apocalyptic talk does sound silly. then again it probably seemed quite ridiculous to think rome would fall back in the day. i wonder how that same sort of decline of a superpower like the US or china would come about with our relatively advanced weaponry, at least back then they couldnt nuke each other.


Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #131 on: November 30, 2021, 09:47:11 am »
i don't think the state of new hampshire is going to fare better against a monopoly than the US government. even if they had the political will, they wouldn't have the leverage. that's why EU member states need the EU, too. together, the EU can (sort of) make a company like facebook comply with it's privacy protections. i don't think italy would have that kind of leverage working alone. but it's far from perfect. we absolutely need to kill big business/regulation revolving door


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #132 on: November 30, 2021, 09:55:51 am »
Rather than posting inflammatory remarks, why not explain why you feel this is true?

I mean, I don't particularly disagree, but we all know that there are many who would, so this statement by itself is just trolling.

If this was meant for me I really don't think it is inflammatory. I read the trial transcript, and carefully read Kyles testimony. According to the charges and the laws of the state, he is not guilty.

There are times when the charges are wrong and lead to a not guilty decision, when if proper charges had been laid at the outset, a different outcome may have ensued. Much like George Zimmerman was mischarged and found not guilty.

Rittenhouse was not guilty of what he was charged with. He may have been guilty of something lesser, but he was not guilty of 1st degree murder.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #133 on: November 30, 2021, 09:58:06 am »
Globalization = more competitors = less monopoly.

Are there any corporate monopolies now?

I’d say no because with technology there are tons of options nowadays.

The most popular products are the ones the public gravitates towards. The invisible hand of the free market guides us forward.

Overall worldwide life is getting better. It’s indisputable. Be thankful for our blessings rather than hoping for more government intervention… which in all likelihood would do more harm than good.


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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #134 on: November 30, 2021, 10:01:50 am »
Globalization = more competitors = less monopoly.

Are there any corporate monopolies now?

I’d say no because with technology there are tons of options nowadays.

The most popular products are the ones the public gravitates towards. The invisible hand of the free market guides us forward.

Overall worldwide life is getting better. It’s indisputable. Be thankful for our blessings rather than hoping for more government intervention… which in all likelihood would do more harm than good.

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Re: Rittenhouse trial
« Reply #135 on: November 30, 2021, 12:05:21 pm »
the inculcation was completed long ago for this one