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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #100 on: September 28, 2021, 01:56:19 pm »
anyways tldr if youre bad i should be allowed to call you a scumfuck bastard. thats my hill and im dying on it
yeah im not dodging any points. this IS your point. you want to be toxic and i want to send you to the toxic queue :D


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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #101 on: September 28, 2021, 02:21:05 pm »
I thought you just lost an honor level (admittedly I have no idea what that entails and how big a deal that is)

true, i believe the example of my account getting perma'd involved an ez (i think i mentioned that one too although yas was the one we ended up running with). my overall point is that a lot of companies have a pretty big double-standard when it comes to trash talk vs actually trashing the game itself through gameplay. and even if that wasnt the case, i dont think that casual insults should result in much more than a mute or chat restriction.



Yeah, you can get banned for insulting people.

 And you can get sued and possibly have a criminal referral for sexual harassment or racial abuse.

again, nobody is talking about the specific example of ops friend or getting banned for racial/sexual stuff or whatever. im talking about companies taking those policies off the deep-end and over-punishing regular shit talk. if you want to have a conversation about sexual or racey stuff thats cool but quit shoehorning it in my conversation in some weird attempt to make it seem like im defending that.

if you want to continue the conversation about sexual/racial stuff and getting sued, etc. youre obviously perfectly justified in that seeing as it is the topic of the thread, but thats not the conversation im having right now.



I generally favor a broad interpretation of the boundaries of speech, but I don't have any tolerance for sexual harassment or racist abuse.

see above. at no point have i mentioned tolerating sexual harassment or racial abuse.



I also think that given the fact that most of these games have a large number of minors on them, the standards are a bit different than say, a bar or even waygook.org. Also, the company is trying to establish a welcoming environment for players of all appropriate ages where players from around the world face each other.

not my job to raise peoples kids for them, plus most of these games have age ratings. i dont think anyone old enough to be on league is gonna be particularly traumatized seeing/hearing me calling another player a scumfuck or whatever, lol. obviously a different ballpark for games meant for kids like club penguin (RIP) etc, but those games usually have extensive censors and no voicechat in the first place.

as for establishing a welcoming environment, sure, but if theyre starting with cracking down on flame theyre 100% barking up the wrong tree. most people who log into the game to **** with people (which causes a lot of the flaming) arent doing that through the chat function, theyre doing it through gameplay itself.
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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #102 on: September 28, 2021, 02:25:04 pm »
yeah im not dodging any points. this IS your point. you want to be toxic and i want to send you to the toxic queue :D

oh i know, but "sounds like you just want to be toxic" is such a snarky nothingburger of a line i felt justified in responding in kind.

anyways, if the game wants to hit me with an X amount of games (or hell even permanent) chat mute for saying the big mean f word, thats fine. still dont think its justified, but at least it doesnt impact my ability to play the game. anything past that (bans, toxic q, etc) should be reserved for toxic gameplay.


Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #103 on: September 28, 2021, 02:34:42 pm »
again, nobody is talking about the specific example of ops friend or getting banned for racial/sexual stuff or whatever. im talking about companies taking those policies off the deep-end and over-punishing regular shit talk. if you want to have a conversation about that, fine, but quit bringing up the previous topic in some weird sort of attempt to make it seem like im defending that.
It was a little hard to tell where OP's thread was ending and where yours was starting (not your fault). This forum would benefit sometimes from an SBNation-style setup where you have comment trees to both allow for the main topic and for tangents to develop.

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not my job to raise peoples kids for them, plus most of these games have age ratings. i dont think anyone old enough to be on league is gonna be particularly traumatized seeing/hearing me calling another player a scumfuck or whatever, lol. obviously a different ballpark for games meant for kids like club penguin (RIP) etc, but those games usually have extensive censors and no voicechat in the first place.
Ehh....if that game is approved for minors, then adults playing that game have to take that into consideration when they play. It's like attending a sporting event. It's one thing to curse about a play or something going wrong or even curse about a player making mistake, it's another to start hurling real abuse at players or insults at an opposing fan who is a minor. Some fans think hurling horrific insults at players and other teams' fans is part of the experience and "essential". I have to say, I have questions about people who think like that (Well.....unless it was the Colorado Avalanche, and more specifically Claude Lemieux in the 90s, but there was a level of justification for that considering he deliberately fractured about half of another human being's face with a dirty hit). Of course different strokes for different folks, but there's a difference between a cheeky chant directed at another team's fans and you trying to menace individual fans.


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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #104 on: September 28, 2021, 02:48:20 pm »
It was a little hard to tell where OP's thread was ending and where yours was starting (not your fault). This forum would benefit sometimes from an SBNation-style setup where you have comment trees to both allow for the main topic and for tangents to develop. 

fair enough. no enmity towards you personally ofc, just want to make it clear what i am/am not talking about, esp. when sensitive subjects are involved.



Ehh....if that game is approved for minors, then adults playing that game have to take that into consideration when they play. It's like attending a sporting event. It's one thing to curse about a play or something going wrong or even curse about a player making mistake, it's another to start hurling real abuse at players or insults at an opposing fan who is a minor.

i mean, most exchanges start as the former, but except since its vidya and the player can hear you they tend to shoot back and then it devolves into a bit of the latter. and while somebody who just immediately flies at someone or ignores de-escalation is obviously being an asshole i still dont think thats bannable.

in the example of the sporting event, you can see that the person is a minor, which usually isnt the case in videogames. and ultimately im not gonna self-censor just in case someone in the game happens to be a minor - again, im not their parent. plus a lot of the stuff you shouldnt say to a minor (sexual stuff, racey stuff, etc) is on the banned list anyways. obviously swearing at a kid isnt nice but i think that its a lot more along the lines of crotchety old man type behavior than endangering children type behavior.



Some fans think hurling horrific insults at players and other teams' fans is part of the experience and "essential". 

it is essential in hockey specifically



I have to say, I have questions about people who think like that (Well.....unless it was the Colorado Avalanche, and more specifically Claude Lemieux in the 90s, but there was a level of justification for that considering he deliberately fractured about half of another human being's face with a dirty hit).

id say theres def a level of justification involved when somebody is blatantly trying to ruin the game for other players. of course theres also plenty of cases where theyre just having a bad game, but its kind of funny how they get the benefit of the doubt directly ruining the game for other players while you dont get the benefit of the doubt for heatedly calling them a rude word.


Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2021, 02:59:58 pm »
oh i know, but "sounds like you just want to be toxic" is such a snarky nothingburger of a line i felt justified in responding in kind.

anyways, if the game wants to hit me with an X amount of games (or hell even permanent) chat mute for saying the big mean f word, thats fine. still dont think its justified, but at least it doesnt impact my ability to play the game. anything past that (bans, toxic q, etc) should be reserved for toxic gameplay.

it was snarky but it was also true! and yeah that kind of system would be fine for some games. but in valorant or CSGO id still rather have a dickhead with good callouts than a muted dickhead because i at least want a chance at winning.

and ive definitely lost games because one toxic guy tilts another underperforming team member so in that way it does impact my ability to win (send'em to the toxic q) but i acknowledge that's a stretch

in an ideal world there'd be a toxic q, a griefer q, a cheater q, a smurf q, and a heaven q (i'd obviously be in the heaven q where i look at the bottom frag and go "you got this yoru. believe in yourself" and then mute myself to call him a scumfuck bastard)


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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2021, 03:07:40 pm »
in valorant or CSGO id still rather have a dickhead with good callouts than a muted dickhead because i at least want a chance at winning.

cant there just be a dialogue wheel or something? like, is there really much more you need to say than "rush b" or "sniper" or whatever? i guess in valorant there are ulti cooldowns or whatever you could call (assuming its anything in league) but while idk about valorant league lets you hover/click to ping that kind of stuff.


Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #107 on: September 28, 2021, 03:20:19 pm »
yeah like if you go around a corner and a guy is sitting close there and you die you have MAYBE a second to tell your team where he was. if your teammate is fumbling around with a dialogue wheel he's gonna move or peek or something. it has to happen really fast for it to be useful information. people use pings but if you ping in that situation i might be dead before i figure out where your ping is (never mind the fact that if you take your eyes of the angle you're holding you can also die)


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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #108 on: October 03, 2021, 10:03:58 pm »
I admit I don't follow Canadian politics, so for me to evaluate the hypocrisy of Trudeau's treatment, I wonder if you could provide, say, three or four examples of right-wing Canadian pols who lost their jobs after incidents similar to groping a female reporter years ago or wearing blackface.

So, Hankook, I'm getting a "Yeah, I was just making that up..."


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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #109 on: October 03, 2021, 10:14:56 pm »
I asked Pierre on the phone about his son and he said he was "better" than himself. I moved on to the next question, though i now wish i hadn't. As a reporter (then head editor) of a Canadian newspaper, one gets time (minutes, seconds!) to talk to famous people, and you gotta make it count.
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Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #110 on: October 04, 2021, 02:55:29 am »
I asked Pierre on the phone about his son and he said he was "better" than himself. I moved on to the next question, though i now wish i hadn't. As a reporter (then head editor) of a Canadian newspaper, one gets time (minutes, seconds!) to talk to famous people, and you gotta make it count.

Which son was he speaking of?


Re: Friend getting sued over online game
« Reply #111 on: October 22, 2021, 12:21:20 pm »
Any updates?