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Re: In Korea Whites were Slaves
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2021, 01:17:04 am »
Before condemning the US for bombing Tokyo in preparation for a land invasion, read Sledge's With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa. As for McNamara he should have quit while he was ahead, i.e. after the Ford Falcon.

As for apologies, forget it. Knowing that a Thai-Burma locomotive is on display at the Japanese war memorial should dispel any talk about asking for forgiveness.


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Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #81 on: September 17, 2021, 09:41:15 am »
Berbery is an alternate spelling
where is berbery used?
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Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #82 on: September 17, 2021, 10:52:12 am »
As for apologies, forget it. Knowing that a Thai-Burma locomotive is on display at the Japanese war memorial should dispel any talk about asking for forgiveness.
An apology/recognition of it being an immoral/amoral act for burning to death hundreds of thousands of civilians, primarily women and children, isn't dependent on the actions of the military of their country or on some war memorial.

A child burned to death doesn't have anything to do with that shit and choosing to deliberately target them is ghastly. If the Japanese or Germans had done that to us we'd have called them monsters.

Even Hitler at first refrained from bombing London until a single bungling Luftwaffe bomber kicked off a chain of events.


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Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #83 on: September 17, 2021, 11:03:48 am »
Where is Berbery used?
In a lot of places but not, apparently, in Imazighen which is what they called themselves.

The Barbary pirates were named after the region from which they operated, which was the Barbary aka Berbery aka Berber Coast, which in turn was named after the Berber ethnic group that lived there. The name was given to them by the Greeks back in the day, but when the Romans came along, they applied that name basically to everybody that wasn't Roman which kinda muddied the waters, so...

Anyway, from what I can tell, the name for the pirate group specifically was the "Barbary Pirates". But they were pirates from the Berber (or Berbery) Coast and could be called Berbery pirates if one considers "Berbery" as a descriptive adjective rather than part of the proper name.

The naming convention for that group of people is pretty convoluted, actually, so while I probably would use "Barbary", a lot of other names could be conceivably correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbers


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Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2021, 02:59:35 am »
An apology/recognition of it being an immoral/amoral act for burning to death hundreds of thousands of civilians, primarily women and children, isn't dependent on the actions of the military of their country or on some war memorial.

A child burned to death doesn't have anything to do with that shit and choosing to deliberately target them is ghastly. If the Japanese or Germans had done that to us we'd have called them monsters.

Even Hitler at first refrained from bombing London until a single bungling Luftwaffe bomber kicked off a chain of events.
I thought you were the guy who dealt in "facts."

"Despite being outnumbered, the RAF retaliated by bombing Berlin. Enraged, Hitler and G�g changed tactics and ordered a bombing campaign known as “the Blitz” against London, Liverpool, Coventry and other major cities, hoping to decimate the morale of the British people. To ensure massive casualties, German bombing was carried out at night."

As for Japan, they were using children on Okinawa to fight the Allies.


Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2021, 10:05:10 am »
You were saying?

https://www.historynet.com/target-berlin-the-first-air-raid-on-the-german-capital.htm

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The first real bombing raid on Berlin would not occur until August 25, 1940, during the Battle of Britain. Hitler had placed London off-limits for bombing, and the Luftwaffe was concentrating on defeating the Royal Air Force in preparation for a cross-Channel invasion. But on the night of August 24, a German plane dropped bombs on London, probably by accident, on its way home from a raid. Prime Minister Winston Churchill immediately ordered the RAF to retaliate with a raid on Berlin. That same night, a force of 81 Vickers Wellingtons and Handley Page Hampdens headed for Berlin. Only about half of them reached the capital, which was obscured by dense clouds. Little damage was done, but one bomb killed the only elephant in the Berlin Zoo.

An incensed Hitler ordered Goring to change their air war strategy. Instead of concentrating on neutralizing the RAF, the Luftwaffe now focused on reprisal raids on English cities, especially London. Conducted mainly at night, “the Blitz” failed to break British morale, and in September Hitler was forced to cancel plans for the invasion.

You know, you should maybe do actual reading on the subject, not just google searching before you decide to disagree. I know in your mind I MUST be wrong about everything, but if you operate under that assumption on reflex, you're going to end up with egg on your face far too often.

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As for Japan, they were using children on Okinawa to fight the Allies.
We needed to firebomb the children in order to save them.

Do you ever think beyond step one? Obviously not, again likely a sign of limited mental capacity- you are only capable of 1-step thinking and once you believe something you never change. Limited mental function.


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Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2021, 06:51:12 pm »
You were saying?

https://www.historynet.com/target-berlin-the-first-air-raid-on-the-german-capital.htm

You know, you should maybe do actual reading on the subject, not just google searching before you decide to disagree. I know in your mind I MUST be wrong about everything, but if you operate under that assumption on reflex, you're going to end up with egg on your face far too often.
We needed to firebomb the children in order to save them.

Do you ever think beyond step one? Obviously not, again likely a sign of limited mental capacity- you are only capable of 1-step thinking and once you believe something you never change. Limited mental function.
"Germany needed to master the skies over Britain if it was to transport safely its superior land forces across the 21-mile English Channel. On August 8, the Luftwaffe intensified its raids against the ports in an attempt to draw the British air fleet out into the open. Simultaneously, the Germans began bombing Britain’s sophisticated radar defense system and RAF-fighter airfields. During August, as many as 1,500 German aircraft crossed the Channel daily, often blotting out the sun as they flew against their British targets. Despite the odds against them, the outnumbered RAF fliers successfully resisted the massive German air invasion, relying on radar technology, more maneuverable aircraft, and exceptional bravery. For every British plane shot down, two Luftwaffe warplanes were destroyed.

At the end of August, the RAF launched a retaliatory air raid against Berlin. Hitler was enraged and ordered the Luftwaffe to shift its attacks from RAF installations to London and other British cities. On September 7, the Blitz against London began, and after a week of almost ceaseless attacks several areas of London were in flames and the royal palace, churches, and hospitals had all been hit. However, the concentration on London allowed the RAF to recuperate elsewhere, and on September 15 the RAF launched a vigorous counterattack, downing 56 German aircraft in two dogfights that lasted less than an hour.

The costly raid convinced the German high command that the Luftwaffe could not achieve air supremacy over Britain, and the next day daylight attacks were replaced with nighttime sorties as a concession of defeat. On September 19, Nazi leader Adolf Hitler postponed indefinitely “Operation Sea Lion”–the amphibious invasion of Britain. The Battle of Britain, however, continued.

In October, Hitler ordered a massive bombing campaign against London and other cities to crush British morale and force an armistice. Despite significant loss of life and tremendous material damage to Britain’s cities, the country’s resolve remained unbroken. The ability of Londoners to maintain their composure had much to do with Britain’s survival during this trying period. As American journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, “Not once have I heard a man, woman, or child suggest that Britain should throw her hand.” In May 1941, the air raids essentially ceased as German forces massed near the border of the USSR."
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/worst-air-raid-on-london

My statement regrading Okinawa had nothing to do with "save the children." It demonstrated the lengths to which the Japanese would go to defend their homeland and why bombing, merciless as it may have been, was used.

Take your thinking cap to the nearest cleantopia. It's blocking all the brain waves.


Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2021, 08:45:23 am »
At the end of August, the RAF launched a retaliatory air raid against Berlin. Hitler was enraged and ordered the Luftwaffe to shift its attacks from RAF installations to London and other British cities. On September 7, the Blitz against London began, and after a week of almost ceaseless attacks several areas of London were in flames and the royal palace, churches, and hospitals had all been hit. However, the concentration on London allowed the RAF to recuperate elsewhere, and on September 15 the RAF launched a vigorous counterattack, downing 56 German aircraft in two dogfights that lasted less than an hour.
Retaliatory for what?
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The first real bombing raid on Berlin would not occur until August 25, 1940, during the Battle of Britain. Hitler had placed London off-limits for bombing, and the Luftwaffe was concentrating on defeating the Royal Air Force in preparation for a cross-Channel invasion. But on the night of August 24, a German plane dropped bombs on London, probably by accident, on its way home from a raid. Prime Minister Winston Churchill immediately ordered the RAF to retaliate with a raid on Berlin. That same night, a force of 81 Vickers Wellingtons and Handley Page Hampdens headed for Berlin. Only about half of them reached the capital, which was obscured by dense clouds. Little damage was done, but one bomb killed the only elephant in the Berlin Zoo.

An incensed Hitler ordered Goring to change their air war strategy. Instead of concentrating on neutralizing the RAF, the Luftwaffe now focused on reprisal raids on English cities, especially London. Conducted mainly at night, “the Blitz” failed to break British morale, and in September Hitler was forced to cancel plans for the invasion.

Again, learn how to read. Anyone who knows anything about the Battle of Britain knows that London was off-limits and that it was because of a stray Luftwaffe bomber that a whole series of events started.

But of course you didn't know anything about the Battle of Britain before you disagreed. Your brain went "DeMart is automatically wrong, I can just disagree and find the facts later" I'm sorry your mental capacity isn't sufficient to think before you type.


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Re: In Korea Foreigners were Slaves
« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2021, 08:07:18 pm »
Retaliatory for what?
Again, learn how to read. Anyone who knows anything about the Battle of Britain knows that London was off-limits and that it was because of a stray Luftwaffe bomber that a whole series of events started.

But of course you didn't know anything about the Battle of Britain before you disagreed. Your brain went "DeMart is automatically wrong, I can just disagree and find the facts later" I'm sorry your mental capacity isn't sufficient to think before you type.
You've reached a conclusion for which there is no evidence.
"The Germans, suffering unsustainable losses, switched tactics away from attacking the beleaguered Fighter Command. Instead, they launched a sustained bombing campaign against London and other major British cities between September 1940 and May 1941.
The first major bombing raid against London’s civilian population  was accidental. A German bomber overshot its original target, the docks, in thick fog. This showcased the inaccuracy of bombing in the early part of the war."

That the first raid was accidental doesn't mean that Germany's strategy of bombing London was based on it and its aftermath.

You'd be a gold medal winner if jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport.