Imagine....

No problem, my wife won $7000 the next day and we put it straight down on the car.

How'd that happen? Card game or what? That's a big stroke of luck!

How'd that happen? Card game or what? That's a big stroke of luck!

Funny story. Everybody that bought a new Hyundai/Kia car that year had their name automatically put into a draw. We didn't even know about it till they called the next day, and of course thought someone was taking the piss. My wife and her family are lucky. We've been together almost 16 years, married almost 14, and I figure to the best of my memory and math skills my wife has won about $20,000 total in lotteries. No idea what the total would be if her family was added in, but likely double that.

The day she got the call from Hyundai she ran right up to the street and bought a lottery ticket and won $600.

2 weeks ago I bought a lottery ticket and won $18 and my entire family laughed! It was the only time I have ever won anything in a lottery. Funny.....

Funny story. Everybody that bought a new Hyundai/Kia car that year had their name automatically put into a draw. We didn't even know about it till they called the next day, and of course thought someone was taking the piss. My wife and her family are lucky. We've been together almost 16 years, married almost 14, and I figure to the best of my memory and math skills my wife has won about $20,000 total in lotteries. No idea what the total would be if her family was added in, but likely double that.

The day she got the call from Hyundai she ran right up to the street and bought a lottery ticket and won $600.

2 weeks ago I bought a lottery ticket and won $18 and my entire family laughed! It was the only time I have ever won anything in a lottery. Funny.....

How much do they *spend* on lottery tickets?

How much do they *spend* on lottery tickets?

Maybe $2 a week. Lottery here has no bearing on lotteries in Canada at all. I can't even figure them out.

Maybe $2 a week. Lottery here has no bearing on lotteries in Canada at all. I can't even figure them out.

It doubt that.

The basic premise is that a lottery collects x$ and pays out (x-n)$.

Promotional contests (like the car contest) work on the premise that enough more people will buy your product to cover the prize.

I started this thread about imaging cool stuff. It sure was diverged into something it was not meant to be.

Whining about hijabs that don't affect you is "cool stuff?"

I still wanna know if the religious discussion ban is still in effect here. When I first started coming here it was a big no-no. Not anymore?

It doubt that.

The basic premise is that a lottery collects x$ and pays out (x-n)$.

Promotional contests (like the car contest) work on the premise that enough more people will buy your product to cover the prize.

Nah, you’re approaching this with Lotto 649 in mind.  Liechtenstein isn’t talking about his Canadian provincial lottery.  In Thailand for example, there is the government run lottery which isn’t as popular as the lottery everyone plays on a daily basis.  It’s basically running the numbers. People can bet whatever they want whenever they want with whomever the local “bookie” is.  In Thailand the one my ex would play was based on the movement of the stock market that day.  They can go and bet a dollar if they want because someone in the neighborhood had a dream about a number.  It’s illegal and massively popular and down there when people talk about the lottery that’s what they are talking about.   

Whining about hijabs that don't affect you is "cool stuff?"

I still wanna know if the religious discussion ban is still in effect here. When I first started coming here it was a big no-no. Not anymore?

Liechtenstein likes to mock random things he has no clue about, typically in his trademark juvenile fashion. He likes things to start and end with simple mockery and hates it when his mockery brings about a discussion which proves him wrong or requires him to articulate his rhetoric with finesse greater than that of a 4yr old trying to eat uramaki.

In this thread, he posted a picture of the sunset from HIS yard, the pictures from HIS holiday and the drumset in HIS studio. He wants us to talk about him and isn't happy that we generally don't care.

Not too long ago, hundreds of people regularly used and posted on this forum. Discussing Religion, making sock accounts etc. these got you suspended or banned. With only a few dozen people regularly posting, whoever runs this site knows they can't be particularly picky anymore.

I don't mind discussing Religion and even though I'm not threatened by the subject I've never instigated a discussion or thread on it.

Nah, you’re approaching this with Lotto 649 in mind.

Well, in some sense, whether it's Lotto or a numbers game, the principle is the same- The person running the game takes in a certain amount and pays out a certain amount that they profit from. They may or may not use promotionals and such. Whether it's based on the stock market or scores or random numbers chosen by a computer, at least in overall concept it's the same.

That being said the lack of state-run oversight and funds going to things like education is a big significant difference and I think that while conceptually they're the same, the practical differences are enough to be worth pointing out and do have a significant impact.

Nah, you’re approaching this with Lotto 649 in mind.  Liechtenstein isn’t talking about his Canadian provincial lottery.  In Thailand for example, there is the government run lottery which isn’t as popular as the lottery everyone plays on a daily basis.  It’s basically running the numbers. People can bet whatever they want whenever they want with whomever the local “bookie” is.  In Thailand the one my ex would play was based on the movement of the stock market that day.  They can go and bet a dollar if they want because someone in the neighborhood had a dream about a number.  It’s illegal and massively popular and down there when people talk about the lottery that’s what they are talking about.   

How is that different? Collect a bunch of money, pay most of it, cover your expenses and profits with what you don’t pay out.

How is that different? Collect a bunch of money, pay most of it, cover your expenses and profits with what you don’t pay out.

I was referring to his statement that his family spent about 2$ a week on the lottery and that it isn’t run through the government and is in fact illegal.  In that respect it has no bearing on how the lottery functions in Canada.  You’re not guaranteed your prize if too many people win big (the bookie will abscond).  You don’t run the risk of the draw being scrapped by authorities and you losing whatever you risked, and certain charities do not benefit from you playing. 

As for the concept of choosing numbers, and paying and hoping your numbers come up so that you win; it is so obviously similar that no one would even bother debating that.  That’s the part you thought he was saying was different?   

Thanks for the clarification.

Soooo does this need updating? Just wondering because Festivus is coming up and the Airing of Grievances is nigh!

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Liechtenstein likes to mock random things he has no clue about, typically in his trademark juvenile fashion. He likes things to start and end with simple mockery and hates it when his mockery brings about a discussion which proves him wrong or requires him to articulate his rhetoric with finesse greater than that of a 4yr old trying to eat uramaki.

In this thread, he posted a picture of the sunset from HIS yard, the pictures from HIS holiday and the drumset in HIS studio. He wants us to talk about him and isn't happy that we generally don't care.

Not too long ago, hundreds of people regularly used and posted on this forum. Discussing Religion, making sock accounts etc. these got you suspended or banned. With only a few dozen people regularly posting, whoever runs this site knows they can't be particularly picky anymore.

I don't mind discussing Religion and even though I'm not threatened by the subject I've never instigated a discussion or thread on it.

Liechtenstein likes to mock random things he has no clue about, typically in his trademark juvenile fashion. He likes things to start and end with simple mockery and hates it when his mockery brings about a discussion which proves him wrong or requires him to articulate his rhetoric with finesse greater than that of a 4yr old trying to eat uramaki.

In this thread, he posted a picture of the sunset from HIS yard, the pictures from HIS holiday and the drumset in HIS studio. He wants us to talk about him and isn't happy that we generally don't care.

Not too long ago, hundreds of people regularly used and posted on this forum. Discussing Religion, making sock accounts etc. these got you suspended or banned. With only a few dozen people regularly posting, whoever runs this site knows they can't be particularly picky anymore.

I don't mind discussing Religion and even though I'm not threatened by the subject I've never instigated a discussion or thread on it.

Annnd...here come the insults from you know who. I don't want anybody to talk about me. I don't know you and I don't really care about you in any way shape or form.

It was about imagining.

Seeing beautiful sunsets. Perhaps the most beautiful sunsets I've ever seen were sitting at Rick's Cafe in Negril.

Playing a  beautiful set of drums before a crowd of appreciative folks.

Cruising the highways on a Honda Goldwing.

Bouncing and bumping your way through jungle trails on a nice dirt bike.

Or seeing my wife leave the house like this.

Imagine............ ....

I don't want anybody to talk about me.

Then STOP WRITING ABOUT YOURSELF!

Seriously, whenever a disagreement occurs, you bring up not just anecdotal evidence, but very personal stories. You don't have to be completely secret, but put a burqa on your mouth and don't describe personal issues like your divorce, wife, relationships etc. in detail to the internet.

Seriously, a 60yr old man should know when to hold his tongue and how to approach an argument or disagreement without bringing up personal information.

People talk about you because 'YOU' because 'YOU' is the only thing that interests you. Like a nut, you started a bloody thread about your eyes. As soon as you typed 'imagine', everyone knew it was going to be about some sort of bullocks about something you own or did. It's rare that I come across someone so self-centred and who only writes in the active voice.

You're a geriatric behaving like a 12yr old kid who just watched a bunch of Adam Sandler movies.

(We're all typing, so I'm using 'speak' and 'talk' figuratively)

Annnd...here come the insults from you know who. I don't want anybody to talk about me.

This will be dedicated to images of "Imagine..."  Allexpressed opinions are welcome.

Or seeing my wife leave the house like this.

"Damnit, why don't you women wear less clothing so I can tell if you're hot or not? What's wrong with you people!"

Honestly, why does it bother you so much? I mean, it's not indecent or anything. No one is shoving it in your face. A Muslim woman driving the Honda Odyssey to Walgreen's and stepping out in niqab shouldn't be an issue for you any more than a woman Sunday Best or a wizard's cloak or construction worker's garb.

People don't have to dress to make us happy. If they feel happy dressed like that, more power to them. They certainly don't have to dress a certain way just so it's more arousing for me to look at them.

Now, if there were some practical workplace considerations, that's something else. There do have to be painful decisions (and not just for Muslims) when workplace safety/performance/etc. clashes with personal dress, but we're talking in someone's leisure time.

Seeing beautiful sunsets. Perhaps the most beautiful sunsets I've ever seen were sitting at Rick's Cafe in Negril.

... that's why everybody comes to Rick's.

... that's why everybody comes to Rick's.

That and the place is honest, as honest as the day is long.

Perfectly legitimate questions. I'm assuming they aren't rhetorical so I'll answer them.

The veil is NOT a rule in Islam. In fact, Islam doesn't have rules, rules are for games. Islam has teachings. Therefore, if someone claims it's a rule it's because they made it a rule. In Islam we call this 'bidah' or innovation, which refers to making things up and claiming it's a Religious teaching.

Enforcement? Again, Islam has teachings so laws and the enforcement of said laws are done by governments or whoever/whatever is in charge. If you enforce a teaching it's no longer a teaching, it becomes a law. A rule or law has a penalty when broken, a teaching does not.

Some critics might get frustrated with the logic I'm using saying I'm just playing with semantics, but it isn't. You really have to be incredibly thorough and knowledgable in these things before you can critique with any degree of competence.

The 'men doing it purely to subjugate women? I don't know, maybe. Though, I'd say it's more rigid cultural practice and not wanting to stand out or go against the norm... same as everywhere else. Honestly though, I don't know as in all my years in a Muslim community that LOVES to gossip, I've never heard of a woman being forced to wear a veil by her father or husband, at least where I'm from. It also seems kind of odd as a means to 'claim ownership', 'status' or 'control'.

Essentially, you're claiming that these men are trying to brag to everyone with what they 'own'. Well, this is done all around the world, ALL THE TIME, with both men AND women. A man will parade his hot girlfriend around and a wife might brag about her rich husband to everyone around her. Why your theory makes no sense to me is that when someone brags, they want everyone to see and covet what they have. It makes no sense that a man would want to show off his wife... and then cover her up, completely. It's like buying a fancy handbag to show off, but keeping it wrapped inside a towel.

Is the man trying to show off his ability to 'control'? In certain places in the world, perhaps, but how is that different from abusive and controlling men you find everywhere who:

- force their partners to dress and speak a certain way
- call their partners 50x a day to check where they are
- not allow their partners to have friends or leave the house

Hopefully, you can see how I've established that the veil is, in fact, a cultural practice or custom. Please pay attention as my previous post clearly explained that these men can't use Islam or the Qur'an to justify it as there is NO mention of a veil in the Qur'an  (find a single mention of woman being instructed to wear a veil/face covering in the Qur'an and I'll become and Atheist right now). So, your theory of men using the Qur'an to justify the veil is completely wrong.

The idea to wear a veil is a very old custom from the Middle-East. In the dessert, it was originally a practical solution for protecting the face and eyes from the sand. About 150yrs after the death of Muhammad (PBUH) it's not clear who or why some Muslim women began wearing the veil, but it's suggested that some women took it upon themselves to surrender their beauty to emulate Muhammad's (PBUH) wives, who are referred to as 'Mothers of the Believers'. These women where revered, the veil was venerated as a symbol of abandoning worldly concerns to please God and that's likely how it become adopted as a cultural practice.

I give these sisters the benefit of the doubt and I think you should too.

I really think you have no idea who these women who wear the veil are?
If you're brave enough, try wearing a veil or even a hijab for a day in a place where Muslims are the minority. Experiencing just one day of the abuse, insults, threats, stares and comments these sisters put up for most of their lives might give you some idea of the ridiculous strength and faith these sisters have to tolerate this sh*t and still do it.

Maybe then, you might think twice before jumping to the concussion that someone that strong, resilient and defiant can be controlled by anyone.

I had no idea that you responded to me until now cause the page was so far forward.  I just looked back on a whim and saw your thoughtful response.

I still maintain that wearing these clothes *for women who don't have a choice, is wrong!  Not only is it hot and uncomfortable, it's wrong to hinge modesty on women and the clothes that they wear.

You are also thinking that I have never encountered women/girls wearing  hijab and niqab. Not true at all.

I grew up with girls wearing the hijab and niqab in my elementary and middle school...(My school was one that accepted a certain number of refugees)  In the girl's locker room (getting ready for PE) we would help 2 of our classmates in our class (there were 3 girls) tuck in their traditional clothes into their skirts or pants (they were wearing so many layers to cover their skin as well), so they could participate in Phys. Ed.

When I say they needed to be covered up they wore.. turtle necks and so many layers.  2 of the girls would participate in sports but they would be so hot and uncomfortable, and they were always checking whether or not their skin was showing.

And NOBODY would make fun of them at all, but we would feel so bad for them...WE asked WHY DO YOU HAVE TO WEAR THESE CLOTHES, ARE YOU OK?>>>They would always say: It's my religion.  The other girl would/could not participate because she wasn't allowed to do any gym activities because her father didn't allow her to mingle with boys in the PE class.  She also wasn't allowed to wear pants.

Contrary to the girls we also had 2 Muslim boys in our class and they always wore what they wanted to.  They could play any sport with shorts and a tee and NOT have to be covered up.  They were free... and they also chided the girls wearing hijab and niqab that they needed to cover up more when they were ATTEMPTING to play ANY SPORT!  I remember a boy named Hammad that would go around to 2 girls and check what they were wearing and if their clothing didn't cover their neck and bodies he would chide them, mercilessly.

Do NOT tell me that I don't have an understanding (at least a little bit) of the struggle of women wearing these oppressive clothes.  I don't have any issue at all what they wear but what I DO have a problem with is why WOMEN have the ONUS of being MODEST in Muslim culture?  Why does religion and custom/culture make women hang MODESTY on them?  Why is it ok for a Muslim boy to be free to play soccer with shorts and a tee shirt, and yet a Muslim girl of the same age has to wear layers of clothes and be so uncomfortable doing the same activity because she is Muslim?

Please stop saying that it does not originate from the Quran... It does.  Being modest is encapsulated there in your prophet's words 24:31...

Why has this verse in the Quran become the burden of women?  Perhaps you will say that this meant to be a, b, and c, but that isn't reality at all.  What is reality is the subjugation of women.

Of course I will say to you it must be hard for women wearing the hijab and being outstanding in Western society (but it wasn't when I was little and that was a loooooong time ago, nobody laughed or made fun at all..).  And I don't see it being hard for Muslim women wearing scarves in Canada AT ALL.  No one would say a nasty word about a woman wearing a headscarf these days.  Other countries maybe?~ 

I do think that wearing a hijab/niqab/ or burqa is WRONG if the person doesn't want to and is/has been forced to. 

And to be honest I feel like the whole SITUATION of a woman enrobing not only her body, but face has been created from the start by men wishing to exert control and power over women by covering them, diminishing their individuality and by using religion as a justification.

Women wearing these threads (for the most part) are not Bedouins scrounging around in the desert eking out an existence.  A woman is not honouring her heritage by wearing these clothes. 
They are hot and uncomfortable (coming from people I have met).  And they block peripheral vision (the burqua and niqab).  Why would someone wear that?

I understand your need to defend Islam because it resides in you, and as a MALE you have all the power of your religion to fulfill yourself as a man because it was made by men for men.  But you should also understand the sisters you can not see who are suffering due to an oppressive system which they wish to break free from.  There are many women who have immigrated to other countries and they are happy that they are free from the veil as well.