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Imagine....
« on: October 02, 2021, 03:17:10 am »
This will be dedicated to images of "Imagine..."  Allexpressed opinions are welcome.

Here's m y first....

Question: Why????? Really. just why? Why do some men demand their wife dress like this?


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2021, 03:24:10 am »
https://youtu.be/rAn-AWXtHv0

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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
« Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 03:31:53 am by VanIslander »


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2021, 03:58:36 am »
This will be dedicated to images of "Imagine..."  Allexpressed opinions are welcome.

Here's m y first....

Question: Why????? Really. just why? Why do some men demand their wife dress like this?

My theory, after spending a little over two years in Muslim majority countries:

Fathers and husbands of ugly women try to keep them fully covered.


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2021, 04:10:24 am »
This will be dedicated to images of "Imagine..."  Allexpressed opinions are welcome.

Here's m y first....

Question: Why????? Really. just why? Why do some men demand their wife dress like this?
So everyone else can IMAGINE what they look like.


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2021, 06:41:59 am »
My theory, after spending a little over two years in Muslim majority countries:

Maybe you're joking, but it's no mystery why these women wear them. 2yrs living in a Muslim majority country and you didn't think to ask someone?
You'd rather sit in a corner and make up theories?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtPzU41og-Q&ab_channel=ThisMorning
« Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 09:06:37 am by Aristocrat »


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2021, 09:58:52 am »
I think JNM was making an attempt at humor rather than his actual sober and serious thinking on the issue.

As for OP, I will give you my own lame attempt at humor as an explanation- I for one think it would be badass to dress like that. Just go full Crimson Guard from Star Wars. Communicate only with very serious and solemn gestures without speaking. Imperiously wave away other workers who try to get you to do some stupid office outing or whatever.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2021, 10:04:13 am »
I think JNM was making an attempt at humor rather than his actual sober and serious thinking on the issue.

As for OP, I will give you my own lame attempt at humor as an explanation- I for one think it would be badass to dress like that. Just go full Crimson Guard from Star Wars. Communicate only with very serious and solemn gestures without speaking. Imperiously wave away other workers who try to get you to do some stupid office outing or whatever.

Not that I can't take a joke, but given the amount of ignorance I've experienced throughout my life regarding my beliefs, it's very difficult to distinguish when people
are joking and when they really are that clueless. On a platform such as this, where communication is done through writing, you can't read facial expressions, tone of
voice or the mood of the environment, making it even more difficult.


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2021, 10:06:54 am »
I always think it's funny when westerners claim it's oppressively uncomfortable yet theyre the ones sweating with a soaked through t-shirt on a hot day, not the women in niqab or burqa or hijab.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2021, 10:22:14 am »
I always think it's funny when westerners claim it's oppressively uncomfortable yet theyre the ones sweating with a soaked through t-shirt on a hot day, not the women in niqab or burqa or hijab.

I tend to peg men, and it's mostly men, who make a big deal about women covering themselves as nothing more than perverts.
These some guys are probably just as upset that comfortable, baggy jeans have become popular among young women these days.


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2021, 11:03:44 am »
I tend to peg men, and it's mostly men, who make a big deal about women covering themselves as nothing more than perverts.
These some guys are probably just as upset that comfortable, baggy jeans have become popular among young women these days.
Well, either that or Canadian and reacting with confusion to anything that looks associated with hot weather. Also, to be fair lots of western women think it looks uncomfortable too.

But yeah a lot of people who feel entitled to eye-f*cking women.

I like to look at a pretty girl too, but I also understand the concept of modesty and society wanting to promote something other than hedonism and lust.

If people really are about freedom, the they should respect the freedom of people to dress according to their beliefs and customs.
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2021, 11:50:44 am »
Imagine having this as your dining room table. Meals would be solid!


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2021, 01:07:02 pm »
Well, either that or Canadian and reacting with confusion to anything that looks associated with hot weather. Also, to be fair lots of western women think it looks uncomfortable too.

But yeah a lot of people who feel entitled to eye-f*cking women.

I like to look at a pretty girl too, but I also understand the concept of modesty and society wanting to promote something other than hedonism and lust.

If people really are about freedom, the they should respect the freedom of people to dress according to their beliefs and customs.

It's not about men wanting to ogle women, it's about basic human communication. Facial expressions are part of that communication. Hence people have to show their faces in courts of law. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with Muslim women covering  their heads leaving the face exposed.

« Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 01:09:38 pm by grimlock2 »


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2021, 01:41:17 pm »
It's not about men wanting to ogle women, it's about basic human communication. Facial expressions are part of that communication. Hence people have to show their faces in courts of law. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with Muslim women covering  their heads leaving the face exposed.

She's a complete stranger in the street. What has she got to communicate to you?
Either way, you're perfectly capable of communicating with someone on the phone are you not?

If you watched the video I posted, the sister addresses this concern.
When the law requires her to remove the face cover (she's in a bank, taking an ID photo, in court etc.) she explains that she has no problem removing it.


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2021, 02:27:44 pm »
Sure, If you don't think it's important to see people's faces when you're interacting with them face to face (not talking about people walking along the street) , that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. I was just disagreeing with the idea that seemed to be going round  that this issue is largely to do with men wanting to look at women's bodies.

On a related issue, I've noticed a growing trend for my university students to wear masks for Zoom lessons when they're sitting at home. I don't know how you'd feel about that but I have a zero tolerance policy towards it. Am I maybe  abusing their human rights or something?
« Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 02:42:16 pm by grimlock2 »


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2021, 03:06:51 pm »
I was just disagreeing with the idea that seemed to be going round  that this issue is largely to do with men wanting to look at women's bodies.

You're trying to get a random woman to remove some of her clothes.
What else is it supposed to be?

Their rights as to how they want to present themselves and what the law entitles them to takes precedence over what is convenient for you.

Regarding the Zoom lessons:

- They're not wearing the mask for religious reasons.
- You have a business arrangement with your students, you have no business with a random Muslim woman on the street
- If wearing a mask for Religious reasons, you students have the choice to remove their mask or request a different lecturer, or lay a complaint with the university

This issue is with Ethics and professionalism and would be covered in your universities code of conduct, consult it.


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2021, 03:17:01 pm »
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You're trying to get a random woman to remove some of her clothes.
What else is it supposed to be?

OK, when I talked about wanting to look at women's bodies, I meant in a sexual way, e.g. to assess their attractiveness etc. not to look at their faces to enable better communication.  I would argue that when governments mandate things like teachers/nurses shouldn't be allowed to cover their faces in the classroom/ward, it's for the latter reason not the former, would you at least agree with that?

It's also quite ironic that you said this on this actual thread.

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it's very difficult to distinguish when people
are joking and when they really are that clueless. On a platform such as this, where communication is done through writing, you can't read facial expressions, tone of
voice or the mood of the environment, making it even more difficult.

Which would suggest that you're at least aware of reasons other than sexual, why men might want to see women's faces when they're talking to them.

« Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 04:56:55 pm by grimlock2 »


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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2021, 03:20:08 pm »
Maybe you're joking…
Of course I am joking.

And for those of you concerned about communication, I have less trouble talking with women in niqabs then I do with others with a lifetime reliance on facial expressions wearing a COVID-19 mask.




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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2021, 03:21:38 pm »
Ugh.

Give a woman who has education and skill some credit.

F*** whatever any man thinks. She deserves  whatever she has got.

If a guy refers to her looks or gender, f*** him.

I feel like a 1995 feminist.

(Haven't we past this?)


Re: Imagine....
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2021, 08:16:01 pm »
Sure, If you don't think it's important to see people's faces when you're interacting with them face to face (not talking about people walking along the street) , that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. I was just disagreeing with the idea that seemed to be going round  that this issue is largely to do with men wanting to look at women's bodies.

On a related issue, I've noticed a growing trend for my university students to wear masks for Zoom lessons when they're sitting at home. I don't know how you'd feel about that but I have a zero tolerance policy towards it. Am I maybe  abusing their human rights or something?
Honestly, that sounds more like a justification than an actual reason. I've had plenty of interactions with people wearing niqab or veils or COVID masks and not once was I like "OMG, me not seeing their face is a real issue!!!"
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Re: Imagine....
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2021, 08:40:34 pm »
Honestly, that sounds more like a justification than an actual reason. I've had plenty of interactions with people wearing niqab or veils or COVID masks and not once was I like "OMG, me not seeing their face is a real issue!!!"

So why do you think some NHS hospitals in the UK have banned the niqab for frontline staff? They're perverts? They're Islamaphobic? They're sweaty Westerners who resent the fact that other races keep cool in thicker clothes? Or they think it reduces the quality of  the customer service the patients receive?
« Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 08:47:03 pm by grimlock2 »