Friend getting sued over online game

I know, I'm just messing around.
Are you saying I should change my name to CO7?

Maybe you should.  Ha ha. 

The media has restrictions on it.

Yes. True.
But in Korea, those restrictions are *less* than in many other countries (including the USA) hence the ranking of 42 (out of 180 countries ranked).
Canada, btw, ranks very well in freedom of the press, at #14.

 

Someone does something bad or obnoxious, you are limited in your reporting of it, you even have to blur their faces.  IE  those idiots eating pizza in front of the hunger strikers trying to get the info on the Sewol.

I remember that. That was disgusting.

As for that attempt to charge someone in Canada for swearing, that is rare and if he had of been convicted, there would have been a news story reporting that as every single civil liberty group would have been all over that.

It isn't common, but not exceedingly rare either.
Look for yourself: google the keywords "arrested swearing Canada". Plenty of hits.

Again, Korea is far more restrictive.  You start commenting on Korean political figures publicly and see where it gets you. 

When it comes to individual free speech, the stats agree: South Korea is more restrictive. No argument.

this thread is honestly bizarre, yelling at some pixels on a screen doesn't constitute "online sexual harassment" and *definitely* not online sexual harassment directed at a specific person. also, intent matters. judging by some of the logic ive seen here, saying "i wanna kill my boss" qualifies as a death threat and should be prosecuted by the law.

It isn't common, but not exceedingly rare either.
Look for yourself: google the keywords "arrested swearing Canada". Plenty of hits.

pretty much all the stories that dredged up were people yelling at police. which obviously doesnt make it right (swearing at police in of itself shouldnt be a crime) but its pretty easy to understand how they ended up in the cop car, which again is def an injustice, just saying its a lot clearer how it came about lol

this thread is honestly bizarre, yelling at some pixels on a screen doesn't constitute "online sexual harassment" and *definitely* not online sexual harassment directed at a specific person.

Apparently, he wasn't yelling at pixels. He was directly saying this to another person in the chat. The fact that they're simultaneously playing a game doesn't mean that he's free to engage in sexually harassing speech towards another person who IS NOT a pixel a game character.

He isn't directing it at (insert female character name) or Baublesaur. He's directing it at whoever the person is controlling them.

OP needs to let us know what was said.

OP needs to let us know what was said.

Seriously. Any update? Is this a case of him saying "Kiss my ass" and it getting blown up by SJWs? Or did he say some awful abusive stuff towards her and he's in serious trouble?

Can I sue my teams for being shitty and throwing games also? 

Apparently, he wasn't yelling at pixels. He was directly saying this to another person in the chat. The fact that they're simultaneously playing a game doesn't mean that he's free to engage in sexually harassing speech towards another person who IS NOT a pixel a game character.

He isn't directing it at (insert female character name) or Baublesaur. He's directing it at whoever the person is controlling them.

Still a dick move to call the cops on someone rather than cussing them out back and telling them to get stuffed or something. 

Remember when folks attacked and insulted Trump and he called the police on them?  No, neither do I.  He attacked them back even if some folks flipped out over it.  He pushed back and stood up for himself.  Honestly, Korea needs folks to literally man up and woman up a little more.  Given there is a bigger snowflake culture here than even I realized, no wonder so many Koreans were shocked by Trump's rise.  American concepts like free speech and criticizing your opponent must be more foreign to Koreans than I realized.  Just remember, Korea's Constitution that seems to have restrictions on free speech was imposed by the military dictatorship before they left.  But, that is Korea's fight and not mine. 

Can I sue my teams for being shitty and throwing games also? 

Is your team professional and earning and competing for prize money? If so, quite possibly. I mean, if that was done in service of some sort of gambling or allowing someone else to take the money in exchange for some of the profits, it is quite likely that they entered into what amounts to a criminal conspiracy and not only could they get sued, they would probably also face jail time.

Gotta agree with hangook on this one.

If someone calls me a "f-ing r-tard" in a live setting, that's not defamation. Not REALLY. If I'm in a bar and I call someone a moron, that's not defamation. Unless there's a camera crew there and we're on the news or something. Jesus.

Just tell the person to f off and block them. I don't understand. You know how many times I've been called a moron or to f off? A bunch.

What NEVER crossed my mind was to escalate that to some sort of judicial/legal authority.

And I'm not even saying that libel/defamation aren't real, of course they are. A random stranger calling you an r-tard in a video game is NOT that.

Still a dick move to call the cops on someone rather than cussing them out back and telling them to get stuffed or something. 

You know, there's a time and place for this. And sometimes you do have to give back.

There's also a time and place for people to sue their boss/coworker for sexual harassment and to use the law to make sure they can be in a harassment-free environment.

I think if you want to play on a trash-talking server you should, but that should require special consent, age verification, etc. If you just want to play, without worrying about getting harassed, you should be able to and that should be the default game setting.

I mean lets be real, if they really were saying awful nasty stuff to her, and she tried to say something, it wouldn't have done much. They would have just yelled worse, probably made fun of how she spoke English and then started to go racial. I mean, that's usually how those international online insult fests go.

You can't block your boss. Also, that's your livelihood; your place of employment.

I don't LIKE knobheads in online scenarios, but it's hardly the same thing. Block and move on. There are millions or random strangers to play with, evem if you don't block them, the odds you'll be matched together again are so small.

Gotta agree with hangook on this one.

If someone calls me a "f-ing r-tard" in a live setting, that's not defamation. Not REALLY. If I'm in a bar and I call someone a moron, that's not defamation. Unless there's a camera crew there and we're on the news or something. Jesus.

Just tell the person to f off and block them. I don't understand. You know how many times I've been called a moron or to f off? A bunch.

What NEVER crossed my mind was to escalate that to some sort of judicial/legal authority.

And I'm not even saying that libel/defamation aren't real, of course they are. A random stranger calling you an r-tard in a video game is NOT that.

We don't know exactly what was said. Like I said, if it was "Kiss my ass" and they're trying to make that Sexual Harassment, go take a hike.

On the other hand if they just heard a female gamer's voice and went on a 4-minute rant of obscene, graphic and abusive sexual language to the person, then yeah, that's pretty messed up. And the person has every right not to be subjected to that. This isn't a Don Rickles show. This is like going to some gym and having one of the other patrons sexually harass you.  And why does she owe anything to the pieces of shit that harassed her? F*ck 'em. How is "letting it slide" going to help her? Or anyone else?

If someone sexually harassed a friend of mine, I'd wish her all the best in squeezing those mofos for every last cent she could and bringing a bunch of stress to their lives and if one of my friends decided to randomly sexually harass a stranger with an extended abusive verbal tirade over a video game, I wouldn't have much sympathy for his situation.

As I also said, before- They were damn lucky she wasn't a minor. Seriously. Lots of kids play LoL. You don't know how old someone is or isn't. If you start making a bunch of sexually suggestive/abusive/harassing comments to someone and they turn out to be a minor, oh boy are you in trouble.

The victim is the person who got sexually harassed. Not the people who had legal action taken against them because they sexually harassed someone. (Again, assuming it was real, serious, sustained abuse and not just some random 1-off comment0

You can't block your boss. Also, that's your livelihood; your place of employment.

I don't LIKE knobheads in online scenarios, but it's hardly the same thing. Block and move on. There are millions or random strangers to play with, evem if you don't block them, the odds you'll be matched together again are so small.

On the one hand, yes.

On the other hand (again disclaimer, assuming this was real abuse and not just some random comment). Why should she have to move on? Why do they get to move on to the next person? Nah, F that. Kick those mofos in their wallet. This is like sports fans who yell shit at players and keep challenging them to fight them. Welp, in this case one of the other players fought back and while she couldn't match em in a verbal battle using a foreign language, and she couldn't physically beat them, she used what she could. Guarantee after this they ain't gonna say shit to her or any other girl.

That being said, if she's going down this route and SHE said something, oh countersue the F out of her and make her regret her decision to escalate to this point. Get every cent from her. There's a real good chance she or her team decided to say a bunch of shit too and they think you won't notice that and just pay up. Nope, look through that recording and the second you hear something abusive being said, throw that suit back in her face and watch her dreams of a payday fly away.

But yeah, this is a much more serious issue than it appears (again assuming real abuse and not a comment). If I was any kind of multiplayer game, and I was hearing constant reports of gamers saying they don't want to play because of harassment and abuse, you damn well bet I'd want to go after the people who were messing with my money.

yeah people say some genuinely horrible shit online and especially to kids. and we gotta protect the kids, man... "well maybe that 11 year old should grow some thick skin" yeah or like maybe we shouldn't let angry 34 year old men scream into team chat that they're going to murder or rape your family. this is not a freeze peach issue. game companies can (and now are) actively monitoring voice chats. you can't say that shit to someone in real life and you shouldn't be allowed to make threats like that just because you're anonymous and online.

You know, there's a time and place for this. And sometimes you do have to give back.

There's also a time and place for people to sue their boss/coworker for sexual harassment and to use the law to make sure they can be in a harassment-free environment.

I think if you want to play on a trash-talking server you should, but that should require special consent, age verification, etc. If you just want to play, without worrying about getting harassed, you should be able to and that should be the default game setting.

I mean lets be real, if they really were saying awful nasty stuff to her, and she tried to say something, it wouldn't have done much. They would have just yelled worse, probably made fun of how she spoke English and then started to go racial. I mean, that's usually how those international online insult fests go.

For sure.  If I walk up to a chick and grab her **** and ass and invite to come over for a good time or tell her to get on her knees, then hey, call the cops and get me fired from my job.  I'm all for that.  (Of course woke Trudeau groped a female reporter years ago and he never lost his job nor after he did blackface.  Leftist hypoicracy and double standards for another time, perhaps?)  Anyways, shouting some insults at a character (who you don't even know who it is off screen) does seem a bit much to call the cops on them.  When the state or the state is allowed to be used to threaten people for speech (especially non violent speech) then that is authoritarianism and it is fascism.  It is total government control.  Seems this person just wants some free money and some attention.  It is overkill. 

Anyways, shouting some insults at a character (who you don't even know who it is off screen) does seem a bit much to call the cops on them.

For the umpteenth time, they aren't shouting it at a character.

They are directly shouting it at a real person who is on the chat. They are insulting the player, not the character.

Think of it like Zoom. If all your students turned off their cameras and put up wallpapers and had names like "Chanwoo08" and one kid was like "Hey ChanWoo...F*ck YOU!!!!" you wouldn't be like "Well, he just insulted some character on a screen. No big deal" No, he insulted the person.

Same thing. They knew it was a female gamer and chose to direct sexually harassing comments towards her, the person. (Again disclaimer, assuming it was actual real stuff and not just "Kiss my ass" or some other blown up stuff)

There is one other thing I'd like to add.  I think Korea uses something called Real Name Verification?  This is like verifying your identity whenever you sign up for any game or online site.   You are basically giving them your full and real information about you and where you live and contact info etc.

I play EA's BFV in Korea and I have never seen this.

I sometimes go mental when I play and try and swear and
put down the offending player. But, it isn't possible. Almost
all profanity is blocked and almost all possible spellings of
the profanity is blocked. Even country names, states, politics
are blocked.

So, it looks like this:

Spocksbrainrocks: You ********** ****** why did you steal my
                                    ****** tank? You must come from *********!
                                    I hope you ******* and *******!

So, I have given up. Also, there is the fact that most of the players on the
Asian servers speak Chinese and can't read the English anyway.

Still a dick move to call the cops on someone rather than cussing them out back and telling them to get stuffed or something. 

Remember when folks attacked and insulted Trump and he called the police on them?  No, neither do I.  He attacked them back even if some folks flipped out over it.  He pushed back and stood up for himself.  Honestly, Korea needs folks to literally man up and woman up a little more.  Given there is a bigger snowflake culture here than even I realized, no wonder so many Koreans were shocked by Trump's rise.  American concepts like free speech and criticizing your opponent must be more foreign to Koreans than I realized.  Just remember, Korea's Constitution that seems to have restrictions on free speech was imposed by the military dictatorship before they left.  But, that is Korea's fight and not mine. 

Trump is suing the NYTimes for its reporting. He had his security forcibly escort plenty of people attempting to exercise their right to free speech from his events. IMO that's equivalent to calling the police.

You know, there's a time and place for this. And sometimes you do have to give back.

There's also a time and place for people to sue their boss/coworker for sexual harassment and to use the law to make sure they can be in a harassment-free environment.

I think if you want to play on a trash-talking server you should, but that should require special consent, age verification, etc. If you just want to play, without worrying about getting harassed, you should be able to and that should be the default game setting.

I mean lets be real, if they really were saying awful nasty stuff to her, and she tried to say something, it wouldn't have done much. They would have just yelled worse, probably made fun of how she spoke English and then started to go racial. I mean, that's usually how those international online insult fests go.

Yep, they would more than likely just turn up the volume on their ranting and gone into full-on bullying. Who knows how that would have ended?