US States ranked by fully vaccinated

Democrats are more likely to buy "for the common good" arguments;

Republicans are more likely to assert "individual rights" and "the gov't is wrong".

This was predictable.

Democrats are more likely to buy "for the common good" arguments;

Republicans are more likely to assert "individual rights" and "the gov't is wrong".

This was predictable.

Meh, if Trump had won and was telling everyone to "take my big, beautiful vaccine" you'd have a bunch on the left reflexively opposed and Trumpers wanting to be triple vaxxed.

Sorry, but you did actually say that all politicians suck. PERIOD.  You did NOT include any caveats or provisos AT ALL, you just REPEATED the sentiment that, and I quote:   "Political leaders suck and are as useless as toilet waste basket in a Korean bathroom stall."

Again, there's no proviso, no waffling, no caveat, not exception or exemption, just the plain statement that political leaders suck.  END OF WITH NO HEDGING. NO EXCEPTIONS, NO PROVISOS.  Admit it, and resign.

Or. admit it, and become a better person.  I know you can.   And ban a couple of our trolls.

I appreciate your confidence in my ability to improve myself!

...but I don't think that you're following the point of discussion. My position is that what you just said is what I said.
I did not include caveats etc, nor did I specifically say that all politicians suck equally. That was somebody else's addition, and not something I personally agree with, hence the discussion.

It was a blanket statement, yes, and maybe a bit hyperbolic, but I stand by it.
It takes a specific kind of personality to want to get into politics, and those who do so with a genuine wish to better the world are far less likely to succeed than those who would happily stab any back or pander to an ideology to gain their throne.
   As with CEOs, borderline sociopaths are statistically overrepresented in politics. Heck, there is evidence that the same is true for psychopathy.

Finally, unfortunately (fortunately?), I don't have the ability to ban people. I'm just a lowly lvl.1 mod.

Meh, if Trump had won and was telling everyone to "take my big, beautiful vaccine" you'd have a bunch on the left reflexively opposed and Trumpers wanting to be triple vaxxed.

You're possibly right, but my guess would be that those numbers would be pretty small.
Anyway, hasn't Mr. Trump thrown his support behind the vaccine? Has that turned any ultra-lefts/never-Trumpers against the jab?

Imagine having the kind of brain that a) thinks there is only one SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and b) believes this broader statement to be true. Seriously, how deep do you have bury yourself under a mountain of misinformation to get here? How studiously do you have to work to swerve basic reality? It honestly seems like it would take a massive amount of effort, just to announce to the world that you're dumb.

How stupid do you have to be to shove something in your body that's untested and then call everyone else stupid because they're not as dumb as you?  Yeah, you're cool.  I bet everyone wishes they could be like you, obey every rule, and do exactly what they're told when they are told.  You want to put unknown things in your body, be my guest.  Five years from now, we'll see who's the healthiest. 

How stupid do you have to be to shove something in your body that's untested and then call everyone else stupid because they're not as dumb as you?  Yeah, you're cool.  I bet everyone wishes they could be like you, obey every rule, and do exactly what they're told when they are told.  You want to put unknown things in your body, be my guest.  Five years from now, we'll see who's the healthiest. 

Dude, 6.12 BILLION doses of the vaccines have been given to date.  How stupid (to reflect back your question) is a person who calls that "untested"?

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

Dude, 6.12 BILLION doses of the vaccines have been given to date.  How stupid (to reflect back your question) is a person who calls that "untested"?

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

How many years has it been since folks had their doses?  Two years, five years, etc?  I wasn't aware this vaccine has gone through years of testing on controlled groups and results measured over time.  Go into the future and show me the long term results.  Bring me that report.  When it gives the green light, then I will consider taking it.  Not before.  It amazes me how many pro vaccine folks have turned into pushy obnoxious assholes trying to force their views on you and getting in your face being rude demanding you take the vaccine.  A lot of those ignorant folks need a good old fashioned punch to the face and told to shut up and mind their business.  Take the vaccine if you wish or don't take it if you wish.  There use to be a time when everyone was polite enough to mind their own business and not rudely get into people's faces. 

How many years has it been since folks had their doses?  Two years, five years, etc?  I wasn't aware this vaccine has gone through years of testing on controlled groups and results measured over time.  Go into the future and show me the long term results.

Just fyi, mRNA vaccines have been in development since the 1980s, and have been undergoing trial testing since 2011 (although obviously not the covid one).
Also, all three of the popular covid vaccines have received official FDA approval as of August 23, 2021.

Out of curiosity, what are your opinions about Invermectin?

Me personally, I'm all for experimental treatments that show promise. There was the possibility of that with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, then they got politicized by both sides. One side referred to it as "fish tank cleaner" and "horse pills" (both false) and another started huffing the commercial/animal-versions of those things.

The fact that people want either the Vax or ivermectin to not work so they can "own" the other side is just awful. If you aren't rooting for the vaccines to work, you're a POS. If you aren't rooting for ivermectin to work, you're a POS.

Just fyi, mRNA vaccines have been in development since the 1980s, and have been undergoing trial testing since 2011 (although obviously not the covid one).
Also, all three of the popular covid vaccines have received official FDA approval as of August 23, 2021.

Out of curiosity, what are your opinions about Invermectin?

A generic vaccine template still is not specific to covid 19.  Some folks have had bad side effects from taking it.  Otherwise, long term effects on this specific vaccine is still unknown. 

I have no opinions about Ivermectin.  I hear mixed stuff about it, some good and some bad.  I wish not to take something unknown in this context either.  Vitamin C, Zinc, other immune boosters, exercise, Vitamin D exposure to the sun (No mask outside socially distanced exercise) is what I am relying on for now.  That along with masks in crowded areas, hand sanitzier, and social distancing. 

Me personally, I'm all for experimental treatments that show promise. There was the possibility of that with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, then they got politicized by both sides. One side referred to it as "fish tank cleaner" and "horse pills" (both false) and another started huffing the commercial/animal-versions of those things.

The fact that people want either the Vax or ivermectin to not work so they can "own" the other side is just awful. If you aren't rooting for the vaccines to work, you're a POS. If you aren't rooting for ivermectin to work, you're a POS.

I though France and some other countries did use this and it had good results. 

Hydroxychloroquine, I mean.

I though France and some other countries did use Hydroxychloroquine and and it had good results. 

The EU banned it after continuing trials showed relatively high incidence of dangerous side effects (arrhythmia and death, for example).
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-fr-idUSKBN2340A6

Me personally, I'm all for experimental treatments that show promise. There was the possibility of that with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, then they got politicized by both sides. One side referred to it as "fish tank cleaner" and "horse pills" (both false) and another started huffing the commercial/animal-versions of those things.

The fact that people want either the Vax or ivermectin to not work so they can "own" the other side is just awful. If you aren't rooting for the vaccines to work, you're a POS. If you aren't rooting for ivermectin to work, you're a POS.

Hydroxychloroquine, medically speaking, is an anti-malarial, and has no particular anti-viral properties, so I don't understand why it was being examined as something that could be used against the corona virus in the first place.

Ivermectin, on the otherhand, has been shown to have anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties, so it's worth examining.
I imagine that there will be a fair bit of research needed to show how or even if it can be safely used to treat Covid.
Fingers crossed, I guess.

My question, I guess, is why people would shun thoroughly researched, well tested, and FDA approved vaccines in favour of something that is not even remotely close to being sufficiently tested or researched.
Seems unwise. 

masks in crowded areas, hand sanitzier, and social distancing.

Nice to hear you’ve come around to masking. I know you were not a big fan of it earlier, to put it lightly. Don’t know what the results look like for ivermectin, but I don’t imagine it can compare to the effectiveness, nor the safety, of any of the vaccines that have been rolled out.

It amazes me how certain pro China folks have turned into pushy obnoxious assholes trying to force their views on you and getting in your face being rude demanding you to go to China.  A lot of those ignorant folks need a good old fashioned punch to the face and told to shut up and mind their business.  Go to China if you wish or don't if you wish.  There use to be a time when everyone was polite enough to mind their own business and not rudely get into people's faces. 

How many years has it been since folks had their doses?  Two years, five years, etc?  I wasn't aware this vaccine has gone through years of testing on controlled groups and results measured over time.  Go into the future and show me the long term results.  Bring me that report.  When it gives the green light, then I will consider taking it. 

I'm with Hangook on this one.  I want to know how the vaccine guinea pigs are doing sixty to eighty years down the road before I even think of getting a booster shot.  Can any of you soothsayers tell us that?

A generic vaccine template still is not specific to covid 19.  Some folks have had bad side effects from taking it.  Otherwise, long term effects on this specific vaccine is still unknown.   

This is no different than the flu shot, which changes every year based on the emerging strains. Health care workers are required to take it every year in most countries.

I'm with Hangook on this one.  I want to know how the vaccine guinea pigs are doing sixty to eighty years down the road before I even think of getting a booster shot.  Can any of you soothsayers tell us that?

You do realise after getting the shot you're going to be pissing it out within 48hrs, right? Recalling HS biology class, a vaccine simply acts as a courier service, it
delivers the blueprint of COVID-19 to your B-cells, so they can produce antibodies that target the CCP virus. It has no conceivable way of effecting you long-term.

Given, I'm no virologist, but I can't think of any chemical, when injected into your body that will have long-term effects unless injected regularly. Can you?
The exception being poisons and venoms, which will have a near immediate effect. You could, once-off, mainline some heroine and unless you become addicted to it, it wouldn't have any long-term effects on your body.

It's consistent exposure and intake of harmful things that have long-term effects, not two freakin' vaccine shots.

Again- "I'm not putting strange stuff in my body" says person who eats random stuff at Korean BBQ joint, drinks from glasses left unattended at bars, and goes on Coupang to order snack foods made with a bunch of stuff that sound like either a food chemical or something that Chemical Ali was put on trial for.  Not to mention in college would hit whatever random rolled up stuff was handed to him but some guy whose nickname was "Animal"

How stupid do you have to be to shove something in your body that's untested and then call everyone else stupid because they're not as dumb as you?  Yeah, you're cool.  I bet everyone wishes they could be like you, obey every rule, and do exactly what they're told when they are told.  You want to put unknown things in your body, be my guest.  Five years from now, we'll see who's the healthiest. 

It's not untested.

That was his point.

We don't have to wait five years. The unvaccinated dying of Covid-19 are proof of who's the healthiest.

I'm with Hangook on this one.  I want to know how the vaccine guinea pigs are doing sixty to eighty years down the road before I even think of getting a booster shot.  Can any of you soothsayers tell us that?

80 years?

Dude, polio vaccine has not been around that long. 

Just a little curious how hangook77 is going to go to China if he wants to remain unvaccinated?